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no, i didn't say the lilies were post-grunge. i said they used to play at T.K.'s All-American Sports Bar in Danbury, CT on Sunday nites in 1992/3.(half price pitchers from 7 to 10)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:10 (twenty years ago) link

Sez I can't add yer name to my buddy list, Scott. Unfun. (I'm just NedRaggett )

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:10 (twenty years ago) link

Some people don't get Helmet? :(

Strap it On and Meantime are effing great. Plus Helmet doesn't really belong in this thread.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:11 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm, maybe i'm taboo. I'll try yer thing.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:12 (twenty years ago) link

actually maybe we're talking about different bands anyway, i'm talking about lilys, who are probably entirely different to the lilies

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:13 (twenty years ago) link

Bah! I got your reply, then the chat window froze. (Sorry for the sidetrack here.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:15 (twenty years ago) link

hmmm, maybe i don't know how to spell. that's another possibility.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:15 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I'll see what can be figured out here (probably not much).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:17 (twenty years ago) link

All right, Scott, we're all saying hi to you in the chat. We know you're there! ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:20 (twenty years ago) link

I actually came to like one song off the Lilys' (it's not Lilies, acc. to the AMG -- or am I royally mixing things up?) last album, but MAN, that Terrastock performance was like being mocked by junkies.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:22 (twenty years ago) link

Haha! So true.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, Scott, got your message after the restart -- here's a question -- are you running an older version of AIM software, or are you on an older computer?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:26 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, my computer is old. and my AIM is old. and i'm old.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:27 (twenty years ago) link

Hm. Well, you could try updating the AIM software, but no guarantees. Pity! We were cheered to see you there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:28 (twenty years ago) link

I hardly ever go on AIM anymore cuz it's always just ny brother and he never has anything to say.(shit, he won't read this thread i hope)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:29 (twenty years ago) link

Plus i had a girlfriend that i lived with who became addicted to it and who fell in love with a vampire from Canada named Raven and the AIM noises give me flashbacks.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:30 (twenty years ago) link

This would be a problem, I agree.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

tell Stence to try again, i'll turn off my netscape. maybe that will do it. i have to hit the hay soon anyway.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

"...fell in love with a vampire from Canada named Raven and the AIM noises give me flashbacks."

Christ. I feel for ya bro, I really do.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link

Well, I guess it's not working for ya. Another time!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:38 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, oops! tell everyone to have a lovely evening. i'll try new software sometime.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:40 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, but the vampire thing turned out to be a stroke of good luck. cuz i dumped her and then immediately began corresponding with the girl of my dreams who i ended up marrying. See how things work out sometimes! At the time it was miserable though.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:43 (twenty years ago) link

All this nostalgia has reminded me that i actually knew a Collective Soul groupie!! She actually started out as a Nelson groupie, worked her way up to Collective Soul groupie, and then spent one glorious year as Al Jourgenson's tour-mamma! I wanted to write a book about her at one point. She was a stripper who enjoyed renaissance fairs.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 04:46 (twenty years ago) link

No mention of Live yet? "Lakini's Juice" was good, and I had a strange fascination with "Freaks," but everything else they did was crap.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 15 March 2004 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

Some people don't get Helmet? :(
Strap it On and Meantime are effing great. Plus Helmet doesn't really belong in this thread.

-- latebloomer (posercore24...), March 15th, 2004. (later)

So true.

Helmet weree indeed swept up in the big label sweepstakes following Nirvana's rise (as were their New Yorker peers in COP SHOOT COP -- whom NO ONE should mistake for grunge), but sound/sensibility-wise, they don't really fit in with the grunge corps. Bless'em.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 12:55 (twenty years ago) link

Lily's album 'Better Can't Make Your Life Better' is a stone classic, sounding like The Kink's 'Face To Face', properly like it was recorded around 65/66. Brilliant songs too.

Does anyone have any recollection of:
Bullet Lavolta
Carnival Art
Warrior Soul (and the other post Jane's Addiction bands like Saigon Kick)

― mzui, Monday, 15 March 2004 13:32 (twenty years ago) link

The 1st Warrior Soul was out in 1990. Great album. They gradually got punkier as they went on. They also moved away from the political lyrics that made them stand out. Kory Clarke says he had no need to anymore since Clinton got in.
Shame he's not made an anti-bush album really. As far as i know Warrior Soul reformed but I have no idea who is actually in it.

― Rock Bastard, Monday, 15 March 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

Warrior Soul are pre-grunge, thanks.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

Initial line-up of Warrior Soul featured Big Paul Ferguson (ex Killing Joke) on drums. It was not to last, however.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago) link

I remember Bullet Lavolta, can't say I liked them particularly though. I had the first EP on Taang!, I think the only song I liked was called 'Over Your Shoulder' or something. The drummer went on to Cul De Sac, didn't he?

― NickB (NickB), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

Eh, and I saw Warrior Soul with Metallica on the Justice for All tour. Eeek.

Bands I did love lots: Come, Anastasia Screamed, Rein Sanction...

― NickB (NickB), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

I refuse to call Come post-grunge! Technically it might apply but i ain't gonna do it. (i heart come)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

Come are post-Live Skull. That is all.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, Thalia was grungy long before grunge.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

Much as i liked Dusted and the other stuff with Thalia, I was really more a fan of pre-Thalia Live Skull.(I heart Marnie Greenholz)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, I love Come too, and I didn't mean that as a slander. They were just from the same time and on some of the same labels as lots of these other douchebags. Just an excuse to mention their name really. ;o)

(Won't agree with you on the pre-Thalia era Skull though!)

― NickB (NickB), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

That's okay Nick, most people wouldn't. It's more of a nostalgia thing for me.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

Did you ever see that earlier line up live then? I only know that incarnation from Don't Get Any On You and that record with the brain on the sleeve. I don't think they ever came over to the UK until Thalia and Sonda Anderson were in the band.

― NickB (NickB), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

No, I never saw them. It's just that all that NY noise from that time was near and dear to me as a teen.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

I erased the band 'Live' from my memory...Until I read this.
Lightning Crashes was on 'The Box' constantly years ago on cable TV.

― Rock Bastard, Monday, 15 March 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

This should not be read as a defense of Live, but would you really call them "post-Grunge"? For a start, their debut album isn't exactly steeped in metallic guitars (let alone the fact that none of them had long hair). Mawkish middle-of-the-road 90's "alternative" maybe, but never grunge.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link

That actually isn't their debut, though -- their first album came out in late 1991.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

That's the one I was talkin' `bout, Nedrick (Mental Jewelry)

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

..which had "Operation Spirit" and "Pain Lies By the Riverside" (or whatever)...neither of which were particularly grungey in any way, shape or form, but owed more to the pious bluster of Unforgettable Fire-era U2.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

"Plowed" by Sponge ("Save a prayer for me/ save a prayer for me"...) is pretty blissed.

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

It's kind of the "Don't Fear the Reaper" of post-grunge.

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

This shows the location of all current Verve Pipe fans:

http://www.globaldust.com/music/detail.php?id=7338

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:12 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't realize that Denmark would be such a hotbed for them.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

(someone should tell alex that there are only three fans represented on the topographical killing joke map.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

By the way, here is a fun thread where me and Anthony and maybe some other people said lots of the same stuff we say on this one, & more!:

Stone Temple Pilots

― chuck, Monday, 15 March 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

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