Looking back, what's the biggest bullshit, musically speaking, that you fell for in the 00s

What is wrong with UK pop lex? Or do you just mean current associations? In the middle of the decade it was terrific.

i truly loved grime + to this day feel frustrated with what happened to that scene. like do ppl listen to it back now and think its just bad or is it a case of "i'd followed the blogs and was into this new genre all ready for it to blow up and then it didn't what a load of bullshit" like the music only exists to serve your personal brand or whatever.

yeah, the mid-00s were great, but i think that was more of a blip - in the main i don't like that cheap, amateur aesthetic that tends to code britishness, but in terms of a stance to take rather than just music to rep for (or not), i don't think i realised then just how antithetical to my actual taste the popjustice aesthetic (and the pop blogs that orbit it) was/continues to be, i find it embarrassing that my taste could ever have been linked to it.

the only people who'd be embarrassed about liking grime are those who never really liked it in the first place. grime was one of the absolute best things about the 00s.

Only thing I didn't like about grime is that it stopped people paying attention to some ukhh records that were better than anything grime ever did

*cough*
http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/B000KB6D8W.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V45794486_.jpg
*cough go listen to this, one of the best ten rap records of the decade*

i owned that once!!! i think i liked it. it got lost in some house move sometime :(

the biggest bullshit i fell for in the 00s was when i first got to university in 00/01, having never really been aware of...the music press, the "canon" &c, and basically getting fooled into thinking it was important. spent about 8 months wasting time and money on trying to get into eg the beatles, bowie, rolling stones, dylan...it was all so, so shit.

I went through this, but I honestly think it's necessary to become the person you are now. (semi-lol) So, no, I don't regret listening to the Eagles. Nor Beatles (even though I knew I wouldn't really get into them.) That way I wouldn't have discovered early Stones, Fleetwood Mac,...

Like a few on this thread, I'm having trouble thinking of stuff I truly regret falling for. If anything there are a lot of bands and releases that I've over-listened to, or just don't feel as relevant today as they did back then.

I have little inclination to listen to Aphex Twin any more, but that might be because his output has been sparse these last few years, and his schtick has become less appealing or interesting as a result. By comparison I've totally rekindled my love for Autechre after Oversteps. There is an awful lot of zingy late-period IDM like Kid606, Astrobotnia and Cex etc who were pretty dire, but then I never really bought into those.

There's an awful lot of dance stuff I won't really put on, but that's because dance is by nature disposable - things that once were anthems can get outdated extremely quickly as new stuff comes in, hence why I'd only really want to put on a microhouse comp for nostalgic reasons.

Other things that looked like they were going to rule but somehow ended up sucking a bit include Sigur Ros (first EP and most of the first album were great - the rest a snooze), GYBE! (one-trick poneys, got old fast), Devendra Banhart (really sad he turned out to be some egocentric flower-yipster instead of the 67-year old Havana-smoking cajun grandma I'd assumed him to be).

"But when it comes to music, there's nothing I regret. No regret, no remorse. Fuck that shit."
aside from this statement I don't understand this thread. I don't regret or have remorse liking anything, even if I don't listen to much more. Is this just music I used to think was cool and now I found something else that's cool? Are most people posting on this thread below 30. Not a jab at anyone, just wondering.

This thread is A+ and I love you all. I don't have musical regrets. If I like something I like it and that's that. I do, however, have a hard time justifying buying the Vines CD and seeing them live. More than once iirc.

trying to force yourself to like stuff because of hype or feeling like you should be into what other ppl are into - this is what i feel is my 'bullshit, musically speaking'

I kind of take this position also I think, not least cos I don't really have an answer - like most of the stuff that's springing to mind is things like At The Drive-In and Bright Eyes which I don't have a problem with now, I just don't ever feel like listening to - OTOH how do you recognise that tendency in yourself, that of being led along by hype or peer pressure? Unless you make an active decision to artificially construct your tastes in this way which I think very few people actually do

I suspect there's already a thread for this but if I feel 'bad' about anything it's stuff that I never made much effort with cos I'd got the impression it sucked for whatever reason (garage, as in the dance genre/s, and most house fit the bill for this doofus), rather than having the gall to fleetingly enjoy music that might not have turned out to have lasting appeal

Electroclash.

of montreal fans should listen to skeletal lamping more.

There is an awful lot of zingy late-period IDM like Kid606, Astrobotnia and Cex etc who were pretty dire, but then I never really bought into those.

astrobotnia/ovuca is different to this, probably the most elegant afx imitator of that time but without the infantile humour of kid606 etc....released an album as aleksi perala a couple of years ago that had a few excellent tracks

The New Rock Revolution. I was 12, bummed the NME, didn't have broadband. I'll never forgive myself for buying D4 7"s

I recall Ovuca stuff as being pretty... scattershot but I don't think I have any of his records. I saw Astrobotnia play a beatless ambient set to an inquisitive Saturday night crowd circa 2003. Anyways, loads of Kid606 stuff still owns fuk u if u disagree etc

kid606 was pretty great for a while, new album is alright too

really nothing, except maybe the NME-pushed new rock of the early 00s: the vines/strokes/BRMC grouping (i like some of the strokes stuff, but couldn't imagine playing the others again. more broadly, that whole "the future of rock" meme seems silly a decade later, since it was largely a dead-end supplanted by dozens of more interesting rock acts and micro-genres).

Horrific memories of getting REALLY excited when I heard the Vines cover of Ms Jackson

just downloaded that ^^
it's not very good but hardly horrific

There's a lot of stuff I liked for a bit, then got bored by and wouldn't consider listening to now. Just like there was in the 90s and the 80s, and probably will be in the 10s. I don't think it was necessarily bullshit, but certainly 10 years ago I was looking for different things in the music I was buying than I am now in the stuff I play frequently. That's just the nature of pop itself, and of growing older.

Some of the scenes that are being written off as bullshit - well, they served their purpose, which was often limited to reminding music listeners that there was an alternative. The garage revival/new rock revolution thing, for example - it actually was great for six months, and in the White Stripes left at least one band who endured, with a couple of others who are worth revisiting. As for the D4 et al - well, they really were great fun at that moment, and blast of fresh air after the fagend of Britpop and Dadrock. It doesn't matter that they had no worth six months later - not everything needs to have longevity or leave a legacy.

I'm in the "I don't do musical remorse" camp. I didn't fall for any bullshit in the 00's (can't think of any bullshit I fell for in the 90's either).

I fell for a lot of bullshit in the 90s but I had a lot better information in the 00s and so I think made fewer bad decisions. Biggest bullshit? Maybe some of the latter day E6-related things at the very end of the 90s/start of the 00s, like the Ladybug Transistor, or Beulah, though even those aren't really that bad, just not really my thing.

00s were too late for me to fall for bullshit. I fell for some in the 90s, and probably a lot in the 80s.

Really surprised no one has mentioned Tool/A Perfect Circle. I was into these guys until 10,000 Days came out with that magnifying glass 3D depth perception cover... owned the APC albums, saw them a few times in concert. I mean, it's not 100% terrible I guess, but maybe it's the Sigur Ros effect -- their fans are so apeshit about it that now, when I hear the music, it's just, "I actually liked this shit?"

No, because nobody fucking liked Arcade Fire in the first place!! Except for that idiot at Pitchfork of course. Sure, people may have "tried to get into it," but that was it.

Obviously you haven't seen an Arcade Fire concert with 50,000 people earnestly singing along to "Wake Up" and "Power Out," knowing every word by heart. They're not a band you really have to "try" to get; it's kinda like U2, the music is bold and bombastic enough that it's almost effortless to feel what it's trying to do.

i still stan for Neon Bible & So This Is Goodbye

YES. Their best albums, both.

xxxp:

I've never been a big Tool fan, but I listened to the first APC a couple weeks ago and it hasn't lost anything that made me like it in the first place.

Yeah, no one in the world liked Arcade Fire, it was all smoke and mirrors and a fiddling with the stock exchange.

and Green Day's "American Idiot."

OTM. I listed this as my album of the year on my 2004 year-end list. :'(

Find it hilarious that Whiney's still hooked, btw.

I'm sure there's a few bands I could list here but I have to go with The Libertines. What a Waster just blew me away and I do still enjoy that song but now I look back and can't believe I stuck with them until that awful that second album which i think i liked for about a week.

People talk about the debut as a classic (Ok mainly the NME do) but a lot of the songs on there are just so bad, The Boy Looked at Johnny springs to mind.

I really think the only talent in that band was Bernard Butler, he managed to make them sound pretty decent. It's no surprise stories came out that he played the guitar parts on the songs he worked on.

I guess I can't regret liking them too much I sold a lot of their singles for an absolute fortune but really I can't defend myself at all here.

it seems like you're in the majority, i was really surprised to find out that the libertines > up the bracket is basically challops. to me it's that s/t is better.

it's so obvious that*

On a related topic, there was an interesting series a couple years ago on Dan Weiss's "What Was It Anyway?" blog, wherein writers reevaluated their top 10 lists from earlier in the decade. (I was one of them; so was Whiney.) Love the refreshing perspective that comes out of stuff like this.

spent about 8 months wasting time and money on trying to get into eg the beatles, bowie, rolling stones, dylan...it was all so, so shit.

i have no regrets about any of the music made in the 00s that i enjoyed. certainly not electroclash

Lex, I <3 you but describing the canonized stuff as "so, so shit" and then repping for electroclash is just O___o all the way. I can see not caring to listen to Bowie, Beatles, etc. (I don't know if I really need to hear any Beatles album again, really) but to write it off as shit is just... it doesn't sit right with me. That's just knee-jerk dismissive reactionary anti-canon bullshit of the highest order.

terrible, depressing thread imo

Yeah, no one in the world liked Arcade Fire, it was all smoke and mirrors and a fiddling with the stock exchange.

yeah, i mean there was this self-described bohemian (read: hipster) girl that I worked with in 04 that I did not like, and I got her the Arcade Fire CD for christmas and she loved it!

You buy presents for people you don't like?

geez i don't even buy xmas presents for my friends let alone ppl i work with who i don't like
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xp yeah well I was trying to be friendly...she was pretty popular around the workplace, and I had to deal with her everyday...

but fuck her anyways, I lent her my Vasleines CD and she NEVER GAVE IT BACK!!! I special-ordered that shit too!!! >:( (I also lent her the third VU album but I don't really care about that so much)

btw a hoy hoy re: DOOM Operation Doomsday & Mr. Hood are both GREAT and I plan someday to listen to every record you talked about...I love DOOM; Madvillainy is my record of the decade, but there's a LOT of stuff on that torrent that I just did not need

I was gonna guess it was a secret santa thing

Another regret from this decade, perhaps just a "Why did I waste so much time...?" thing, is giving the time of day to anything that received JAMC/MBV/etc. comparison in the music press. For every band that's stuck with me (e.g., Black Angels, Raveonettes) I'm sure that I heard a handful of bands that were embarrassingly bad -- Brian Jonestown, Dandy Warhols, BRMC, Warlocks, Editors, post-Bright Lights Interpol, Kills... the list really just goes on. Not that I "fell" for much of this stuff (though I did buy Antics, the first BRMC album, and probably some others I'm forgetting)... I just regret wasting so much time on post-punk/shoegaze "revivalist" music, with very little payoff.

Yknow I always feel that there is at least one Dandy Warhols album that deserves a spot in my record collection...I just haven't figured out which one yet. I'm thinking it's the one with "Cool as Kim Deal" on it...

Bright Eyes is another one I don't rate at all now. I was a huge fan after Lifted and Fevers & Mirrors but I never really got into the albums he put out on the same day, then I totally fell out with him at Glastonbury 2005. He headlined the John Peel Stage, came on off his face acting like he didn't want to be there, insulted John Peel, played a whole set from the Digital Ash album then buggered off.

I know bands are capable of having off nights but I could never listen to him after that without picturing him acting like an annoying little kid.

i really don't think it should be surprising that someone into club music prefers electroclash to bowie and the beatles - it's more incomprehensible to me that anyone wouldn't pick miss kittin over either of them

I dunno Golden Years by Bowie is one of my favourite songs ever...

(of course it reminds me of New Face in Hell, that's why...)

Not at all surprised that's your preference. I'm just surprised you'd write off Beatles, Bowie, etc. as "so shit" even though it's not exactly your cup of tea. Like I said... I've heard enough Beatles in my younger years to last me a lifetime, don't currently own the albums, and so forth... but I'd not write it off as "shit" simply because I have stronger preferences now.

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Really surprised no one has mentioned Tool/A Perfect Circle. I was into these guys until 10,000 Days came out with that magnifying glass 3D depth perception cover... owned the APC albums, saw them a few times in concert. I mean, it's not 100% terrible I guess, but maybe it's the Sigur Ros effect -- their fans are so apeshit about it that now, when I hear the music, it's just, "I actually liked this shit?"

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor)

Mer de Noms has a handful of decent songs, but Thirteenth Step is still a solid, solid record imo. i stan for it.

as far as Tool goes, search Lateralus, which is excellent, and a couple songs from Aenima and 10,000 Days (from the latter, specifically search both "Vicarious," both "Wings for Marie" tunes, and "Right In Two, and destroy the rest of it -- fuck bullshit like "Rosetta Stoned" imo)