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(xpost) Just confused as to what you meant by "previous instruments". Did you mean non-electronic (i.e. synths/samplers/drum machines): guitars, horns, acoustic instruments?

Also - wasn't looking for an argument. I know what I like as far as house that's influenced by the musics you mentioned. And I do like a lot of it.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 20 January 2006 00:11 (twenty years ago)

Yes

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 20 January 2006 00:15 (twenty years ago)

I love 90s house purism! Sometimes all you want is e.g. rough mid-nineties Chicago house all night long. I don't like these purism vs eclecticism debates very much b/c by making it so oppositional we inevitably miss what makes either approach work/not work.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:01 (twenty years ago)

Yeah but wasn't purism an ingredient in the cauldron that poured out the big rave fizzle?

Not the main ingredient, but one of them. At least that's always been my understanding....

― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/image/R-21679-1081771063.jpg

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:19 (twenty years ago)

You could just as easily argue though that if purist DJs "killed" rave, than eclectic DJs are shovelling the dirt into its grave and then building a carpark on top.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:21 (twenty years ago)

And when that carpark is empty because of skyrocketing gas price we can have a rave again.

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:28 (twenty years ago)

has anyone heard who made who?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:30 (twenty years ago)

Whomadewho are great! Or at least "Satisfaction" is. I can't remember if I've heard any of their other stuff.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 January 2006 01:58 (twenty years ago)

i can only speak from local experience but the purists definitely killed raving here. they sucked the life, fun and sex out of clubbing for several years. they certainly killed the club i used to do which was ironically called 'pure'. something HAD to change.

from a personal perspective, having been a house and techno dj for ten years, i had to do something else for my own sanity (which i very nearly lost in the rave years). i still love going out to the odd night of proper house music but when i am playing it, my attention tends to wander after about 45 minutes. but, i don't think there should be any debate about purism vs the dreaded 'e' word. there is no right or wrong way.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Friday, 20 January 2006 03:20 (twenty years ago)

I have the Who Mad Who LP...good example of bands that even though they have enough material for a double album should put out a single! No really, I dig it, I first heard some of the singles and remixes on the Gomma site and still want them, the LP is occasionally the indie-rock club music you've been waiting for.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:05 (twenty years ago)

"but, i don't think there should be any debate about purism vs the dreaded 'e' word. there is no right or wrong way. "

This is my point precisely.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:14 (twenty years ago)

I don't think there's a right or wrong way either.

I'm saying that at present, sets by the likes of Chicken Lips or Chromeo or Jacques Lu Cont are to me much more fresh and inspiring (and in many ways traditional) house than anything the likes of Danny Tenaglia or Frankie Bones ever did (when they were doing house).....

― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:25 (twenty years ago)

DANNY TENAGLIA DID ECLECTIC SETS TOO

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:39 (twenty years ago)

I never heard a Steve Miller song in a Danny Tenaglia set, but who am I to say.....

― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:44 (twenty years ago)

OMG STEVE MILLER WAS HUGE @ ZANZIBAR

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:45 (twenty years ago)

DANNY TENAGLIA REPS CAT STEVENS, IMAGINATION, HUGH MASAKELA, YELLO, ALDO HERNANDEZ, P&P RECORDS AND TONY COOK + THE PARTY PEOPLE

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:48 (twenty years ago)

AND YOU THOUGHT ONLY DAN SELZER HAD GOOD TASTE

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:48 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha my big beef with early Chicken Lips albums was how purist they were! But yes their DJ sets are a different kettle of fish.

Don't make me link to my epic and lugubrious dissertation on p vs e on Dissensus!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:50 (twenty years ago)

danny t's "classics" nights at be yourself were a hoot.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 20 January 2006 05:03 (twenty years ago)

I was speaking of their mixes- I've never seen them spin live (well, I did see Frankie Bones once). But I also haven't heard all of their releases. I had no idea Danny Tenaglia used that much range.

Anyone care to post some of his more ec***, er, diverse mix CDs?

― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Friday, 20 January 2006 05:12 (twenty years ago)

AND YOU THOUGHT ONLY DAN SELZER HAD GOOD TASTE

if he thought that, he was right.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 20 January 2006 05:12 (twenty years ago)

Old timer here whose first "house club" experiences were going to Zanzibar ( or "Zanzibar's" as the kids called it) in Newark, NJ beginning in early '88. I can remember the sets being very Chicago/Detroit with the occasional disco nugget thrown in as the evening progressed. Not a lot of (if any) rock. I don't recall hearing sets that mixed house/techno with lots of other genres and I think that was probably due to the new stuff appearing at the time being so fresh and amazing that the dj's were just focusing on that. I must have missed it when the sets were more in the Paradise Garage vein.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 20 January 2006 06:02 (twenty years ago)

I doubt most of the people on this thread went to Zanzibar, but you know anyone can pick up a club culture history book and talk they did.....

― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Friday, 20 January 2006 06:38 (twenty years ago)

i don't mean to paint tony humphries w/ the same brush as dj harvey but here's a great quote from the liner notes of a tony humphries comp i have:

"[tony humphries] also wasn't averse to kooky and playful selections at certain points in the evening. 'he would play peter brown's "do you wanna get funky w/ me' and brass construction's "we can do it",' recalls [new jersey dj quincy] vaughn. 'we called it "sleaze time", because he'd play all of these funk, down tempo sleazy records, like pat metheney's "are you going with me", "cocaine in the brain" by dillinger and talking head's "born under punches"."

and yes, like every other late-disco-into-house DJ apparently he played lots of b52s and liquid liquid alongside the talking heads ... at least up until there were enough 4x4 garage records to fill a 10 hour night ...

maybe not a harvey, but certainly he at least had his idjuts-esque moments. (i hear the idjuts are big fans!)

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 January 2006 06:59 (twenty years ago)

I think I missed prime-era Zanzibar. Humphries was at his peak a few years before I started going, I think. But he was always awesome when I did dance to his sets. DJ sets at the old Tunnel in NYC were super varied, I remember: freestyle + goth hits (Honk Kong Garden/Christine/The Walk) + "Rock to The Beat", for example.

(x post) Just responding to Vahid's statement that Steve Miller was huge at Zanzibar. I just didn't remember hearing his stuff or any rock the times I was there. Not that it's such a big deal in the end - just great memories - but I've been going out and clubbing in North Jersey/NYC for about 21 years now (I'm 37 this year) so, no, I wouldn't be pulling my experiences out of a book.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 20 January 2006 07:04 (twenty years ago)

i think j was taking a shot at me ... he does that ...

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 January 2006 07:08 (twenty years ago)

It's not terribly eclectic but I do love that first Tony Humphries Ministry of Sound Sessions mix - esp. the amazing first track!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 January 2006 07:13 (twenty years ago)

XPOST

You know it's all for love...

― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Friday, 20 January 2006 07:51 (twenty years ago)

anyone hear this new lordy?

― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Whatever We Want is run by a guy by the name of Carlos. Here is a mix he did for beats in space along with quiet village http://www.beatsinspace.net/audio/2005/nov1/bis110105part1.mp3
http://www.beatsinspace.net/audio/2005/nov1/bis110105part2.mp3
He also talks about the label and such on the show.

― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Saturday, 21 January 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)

yeah the Lordy is pretty cool.

There's a new white label on Feedelity, just called "Another Station", it's kind of erm........hands in the air piano eupohoria!

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 January 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

ok...captainjc mentioned that but wasn't sure...Carlos throws the No Ordinary Monkey parties in NY.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 21 January 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps off topic, but since such luminaries are gathered here, I wanted to ask if anyone has heard/has opinions of $tinkworx (http://www.discogs.com/artist/$tinkworx). I discovered a bit back that he is local to me, and he is djing tonight at what is a tiny little sandwich shop/used book store by day. Opinions?

― matt2 (matt2), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Doesn't he run the Down Low label? I've heard good things about his music, though haven't heard it myself. Supposedly a big Italo geek and collector, too.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, he does run Down Low. I went to their site (http://www.downlowmusic.org), and it all sounds quite nice to me, although there aren't many actual $tinkworx releases. As far as the Italo geek think, I believe he supposed to be big on that stuff.

― matt2 (matt2), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:28 (twenty years ago)

I've decided to try trace the roots of this whole thing in a series of posts on my blog www.aythtok.blogspot.com , its gonna be pretty freeform and unspecific. I don't want Andre Bumrocks calling me a geek.

― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

being pedantic about the whole thing, I think "disco" is more appropriate then "house" in these contexts. And the weirdest thing is the disconnect between "italo-disco" and "cosmic". I think in the present day, a lot of people are informed by both, as they've both had revivals in the last few years, but at the time, the Cosmic pioneers claimed to not care for italo-disco...which may not be suprising because at the time the term italo-disco began being used, and Cosmic was at it's height, italo was at it's most pop and cheesiest phase.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Noted.

― Makrugaik (makrugaik), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Get some MP3 interviews with Harvey (and Danny Krivit, Kirk Degiorgio, Hank Shocklee, Morgan Geist and more) from here...

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/PODCASTS.132.0.html

I prefer 'bearded house' to 'bearded disco' for some reason, even if it's not as right. People being into cosmic and Italo isn't that surprising, in the same way that a lot of people are into, say, 60s psych and Animated Egg type 60s psychsploitation now, whereas at the time the latter would have been totally uncool and even, maybe, a betrayal. Time erases tribal differences.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:24 (twenty years ago)

i think house would be more apt a term for *now* - a lot of these guys were definitely playing house and techno before italo and this "cosmic" thing got its own thread on ilm. ;)

great site, thanks

― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:41 (twenty years ago)

part of me just wants to avoid new usage of old terms to mean new things, the way Electro used to mean breakdance and now means Depeche Mode.

From now on, we have to refer to the current sounds as:

Beardo Kosmiche Cosmicª

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 19:10 (twenty years ago)

Are these RBMA/Odeo podcast links all dead ?

― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 20:43 (twenty years ago)

No, cuz I downloaded 'em about three hours ago (pressing on the MP3 button.) The site was a bit slow though.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 20:53 (twenty years ago)

And I got the LArry Heard and Legowelt ones coming down now.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)

I must be a bit thick or something

― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:04 (twenty years ago)

Eh? Have you got'em? Just click on the button that sez MP3 to the right of the picture. They're not really podcasts, just d/lable MP3s.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

It doesn't say mp3 anywhere on that page (as displayed by Firefox under Windows). All links go to different "odeo.com/show/123456/view" URLs which never respond.

― blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Weird! The links respond for me on Firefox version 1.5. In fact, even if I type in your made up "odeo.com/show/123456/view" address I get an option to d/l an MP3 of "ZEPH CHATS HOW THE ABSTRACT GETS AT THE SOUL. WISDOM WICH PASSES AT THE SPIRIT, OLD, YOUNG, IT DOES NOT MATTER, ALWAYS BE EAGER AS A CHILD TO LEARN NEW THINGS"!

If you, or anyone else interested, still can't get 'em tomorrow leave a note here and I'll YSI 'em.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Oh I see then, it's one of those crack-in-the-fabric-of-the-universe things, I get that all the time.

― Zeph (blunt), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)

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