― Ned Beauman (NedBeauman), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link
Or Pro Tools, whichever. I'd been told by a fellow engineer that rappers have bragging rights as to how long they can rap without a punch-in, and that exchange confirms it for me.
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link
totally makes me want to hear more of his music too, btw - I only know him from guest spots on various things.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link
what I mean is, there's no other aspect of a rap track that places any privilege on "liveness"- really rap was key in banging against the "you have to have live instruments" idea, really radical in this way, and it's usually at the forefront of new technologies in recording, so the "doing it live!" aspect of things is kinda discordant - it's not like there's any rap privilege on a drummer who can keep an unvarying 4/4 for three straight minutes, right? but the "no punches" thing sounds so much like Pat Travers or something, rather charming to me, just a little surprising
interview totally excellent, what a wonderful read
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link
ROFLZ - is this why 99% of live rap shows are horrible and boring?! I'm kinda with J0hn on this one - its an amusing, if not altogether shocking, sidebar in hip-hop aesthetics.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― 100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link
on the punch-in thing, i would think rappers would be kind of like jazz guys on that -- it's the pride in the solo. especially in a guest spot, where you're invited in to show what you can do and to push the other guys around you.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 8 June 2006 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 8 June 2006 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link
this is stoopid. it's good to be good at what you do. that's the whole point. anti-rockism's whole faux-naive b.s. drives me nuts like "oh my oh my why is it BETTER to be able to do it all in one punch, that's looking at it through a rockist mindset" it's like fuck if you can't understand why it's cool for someone to be able to go and kill a whole verse in one take, then i don't really even know where yr coming from.....i'm not saying everything boils down to some kind of wierd guitar magazine bullshit where say, pumpkinhead is supposed to be better than too short or something, but at a certain level skills DO matter.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 8 June 2006 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 June 2006 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link
ethan if you can hear a punch it just means it's a shitty punch, I've seen guys punch in single snare hits at 120 bpm and the end result was indistiguishable from live
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 8 June 2006 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 8 June 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― mummy wrapped in bacon (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 June 2006 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link
Anyway, all this aside, "I wouldn't dare punch in mixed company" is a great line.
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Billy Pilgrim (Billy Pilgrim), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link
if I understand correctly hip hop pretty much began as a live phenomenon --- ie a dj rockin parties and this is before the rapper was even a big part of the equation.
it doesn't have to be an old-timey instrument to play it live, anything that makes a noise works fine --- I mean when you put a beat together on an MPC you pretty much bang shit out live, albeit quantized, right?? --- what does somebody mean when they say a track sounds "live" anyway??
and CLEARLY punches are gonna attenuate the feeling of a track --- you're gonna lose some ooomph in exchange for the extra precision/control.
― reacher. (reacher), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Like everyone else has said, that's an awesome interview.
― permanent revolution (cis), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 8 June 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 8 June 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link
OTM. Great interview, so much so that it actually makes me feel guilty for not being familiar with the dude's work (other than "Big Pimpin'", of course).
― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 8 June 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― permanent revolution (cis), Thursday, 8 June 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 8 June 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link
Given the direction mastering has been moving in the past few years, I have the feeling most music fans' ears are gonna be devolving as time goes on, getting used/inured to uglier and uglier sounds. A few years from now, you'll be able to punch stuff in with all the subtlety of Captain Beefheart's "The Dust Blows Forward 'n' The Dust Blows Back" and no one will give a shit.
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 8 June 2006 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― permanent revolution (cis), Thursday, 8 June 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 8 June 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link
http://hiphopwired.com/2010/10/20/bun-b-confirms-teaching-class-at-rice-university-photo/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hiphopwired+%28HipHopWired.com%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
url says it all
― teflon dawn (uptown churl), Thursday, 21 October 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
http://hiphopwired.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/bunbid.jpg?w=479&h=640
:D
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Thursday, 21 October 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
:D :D :D :D
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 October 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
rmde
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Thursday, 21 October 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.drumza.com/images/HotLicksLearnJazzGuitarWith6GreatMastersDVDStandard.jpg
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Thursday, 21 October 2010 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
what's your deal
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 October 2010 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, great that he has the respect of our national educational institutions, i guess
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Thursday, 21 October 2010 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
would audit
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 21 October 2010 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:47 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
it's just a cool thing, asshole
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 October 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno what youre deal is with me but as someone who spent awhile playing jazz i kinda just rughghheghgh at these thingsi like that hes getting deserved attention, if that makes u happy
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Thursday, 21 October 2010 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
idk i think it's cool that a legendary rapper is teaching a college class, it's a pretty simple thing
& what does this have to do w/ jazz?
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
the institutionalization of cool things is not cool
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
rofl
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link
fight the power
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
historicism isnt the same thing at all doofus
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
criticism either
willing to bet there's some awesome "school's not g4ngsta^" post about to happen from deej now that luriqua doesn't post here anymore
― 'wich house (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
was about to say, 'bet theres some really shitty post coming since whiney still posts here' & what do you know
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
sensitives not thug
― ice cr?m, Friday, 22 October 2010 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i knew my post was sub-whiney anyway
― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
lol "sub whiney"
lol
― avoyoungdro's number (k3vin k.), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
drown it in olive oil
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
thread delivers
― some droopy HOOS in makeup (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
"when waka's brother died he said fuck school this is disrepectful to waka's brother rmde TWO QUESTION MARKS"
― 'wich house (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
institutionalization of jazz may not be "cool" but it's sort of a necessary substitute for a once-vibrant and competitive scene where the learning & teaching happened on the ground, or it can be
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link
What does 'rmde' mean
― Princess TamTam, Friday, 22 October 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
RIP hip hop
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
we still have odd future wolf gang kill em all
― 'wich house (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
& skyzoo
― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 October 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
and lil b
― 'wich house (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i think we're gonna be okay
― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 October 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
what is "Hip Hop and Religious Studies" class about anyway? Like 5% Nation stuff?
― 'wich house (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a class so rice's students can feel like they go to a cool college
― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 October 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
also rice is a religious school so it might be some sort of lip service
^^^
― some droopy HOOS in makeup (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
really wanna see the syllabus tho
wow, if only bun b had you guys around to let him know what a mistake he made!
― teflon dawn (uptown churl), Friday, 22 October 2010 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
you guys?? it was just me. man up & name names next time
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, 22 October 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think its a 'mistake' btw
im more of a 'too bad u couldnt respect him when he was actually making great music' type dude
fyi last time someone named your name you got all deej on em
― some droopy HOOS in makeup (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 22 October 2010 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link
name display names obv
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Friday, 22 October 2010 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, i'll concede that deej was the only one being a dick. sorry, flu vaccine got my mind in a frenzy ... anyways, not like it, you know, matters at all, but fwiw rice is one of the best universities in the nation, right? not some backwater christian school.
anyways it really speaks more than anything else to your own neuroses if you think anyone who didn't already respect bun b is going to care about this. who is this strawman who only 'respects' rappers when they become faculty members at elite private universities?
― teflon dawn (uptown churl), Friday, 22 October 2010 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i used to have trouble differentiating this guy from soulja boy, and now i respect him
― ice cr?m, Friday, 22 October 2010 12:00 (thirteen years ago) link
bun b = a lecturer, soulja boy = the dean
― just sayin, Friday, 22 October 2010 12:01 (thirteen years ago) link
soulja boy tellem abt the many ways in which they can help their alma mater grow and prosper
― ice cr?m, Friday, 22 October 2010 12:03 (thirteen years ago) link