― geordie racer, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Most people in / on TV are obviously arseholes. Sensed that years ago, and I always sympathise with those few worthwhile, interesting people such as yourself who have to work alongside them ...
― Robin Carmody, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Note to non-British people: 'Our Kid' is a northern expression that people (esp. Radcliffe and Riley) use to refer to younger siblings or younger people generally (as in "You all right, our kid?")
As for JH, I can't believe no one's mentioned the horror that is "Jools' Hootmany", an annual boogie-woogie spectacular that TV bosses use to taunt people whose lives are already so crap that they are staying in on New Year's Eve. I've never watched it, i hasten to add.
― Nick, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
I see it's sweeping generalisation Sunday down in Dorset. Obviously.
― Dr. C, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
It's television, but alas it could never be 'on television' as we know it in Britain. Don't ask me why. Television must be in the wrong hands. Television must be embarrassed by love and seriousness and dedication. One thing I can tell you is that this tape contains utterly startling images: Mouse on Mars testing some extraordinary lights in their big rehearsal 'laboratory', or Nobukazu Takemura looking like a young Japanese Stockhausen in his house in Kyoto, surrounded by delicate modular synths.
The intensity, passion and intelligence of the people involved (Markus Popp is totally insane) makes the tape lucid and revelatory. I'd say this tape could change lives the same way David Bowie's appearance on Top of the Pops in 1972 with 'Starman' changed innumerable lives (and very little music-related stuff on broadcast TV has since). It's a glimpse of the Sublime -- a dry, cerebral, technological sublime, certainly -- and television is terrified by the Sublime.
A thing worth living for is a thing worth dying for. Music is a thing worth living for, therefore Sublime. It's certainly a thing worth switching off TV for.
― Momus, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Dr. C, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Music television in the English-speaking west sucks because of the way the entry-level systems work for getting into it: lots of work experience opportunities for those who can afford to work for free, which attracts those with very blasé or mutable attitudes and/or Daddy's filofax. Generally, these kind of people do what they're told reflexively. They're no-riskers who then don't ever take risks because they don't know how, and are totally freaked out by anyone who would.
I think if a concerted effort was made to overhaul this structure things would change for the better: mo'better music, television, films, art - you name it. I wish artists would stop appearing on these silly, over-marketed programmes as a matter of principle, to help effect that change (but not overtly. A nice 'sorry, we're busy that day' would do just fine). Then those who DO appear would be seen, eventually, as the shallow, grasping non-artists they are.
It's interesting that Japan and Germany - both places with a large "middle class" - seem to lack all the negative associations English speakers reserve for their middle classes and have cooperative, flourishing creative scenes which will dominate over the coming decade. Not entirely without coincidence, both societies 'lost' the last big war, and had to basically get on with things under sanctions imposed by so-called winners, countries with societies which are, overall, much less egalitarian and much more troubled than those they criticise for having a more homogenous cultural landscape. After all, isn't pointing out the lack of multi-culture in an-Other country kind of racist and backward-looking in and of itself?
Also, all the Japanese TV I have ever seen is brash, noisy and hyper. What you describe sounds like the exact opposite. Maybe that's why it was worth saving.
― suzy, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
I think if a concerted effort was made to overhaul this structure things would change for the better: mo'better music, television, films, art - you name it. I wish artists would stop appearing on these silly, over-marketed programmes as a matter of principle, to help effect that change (but not overtly. A nice 'sorry, we're busy that day' would do just fine).
So I take it you're not supporting Luke Haines' boycott of all radio and TV and recording studios this week? He thinks there should be a week in which no music is made or played. By unfortunate co-incidence, he has a record out the same week, so it's a bit of a transparent marketing ploy, innit? 'Apres moi la silence' kinda hubris.
Note: when they have the Pet Shop Boys musical to blab at, they unwrap and demummify out Peregrine Worsthorne!! Which is quite funny, in a way, tho I just turned over and watched Shannon Tweed or something vaguely intelligent.
― mark s, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Nick, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
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― Norman "No Shame" Fay, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Norman Fay, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
As it happens, I don't like what Luke is suggesting - it's too overt and it's too easy to say 'cynical marketing ploy'. It's very boring to jump up and down saying what a refusenik you are, straight into the mic. of a newspaper journalist's tape recorder (when my interview subjects do this, I'm always thinking about that GB Shaw quote about negotiating the price of a whore). Much better to just say you're busy, as I suggested earlier.
Video mags: a nice idea from the 80s worth reviving. Since you already have the necessary technology, why not make some yourself?
― Andrew L, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― scott, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Every word Momus says about British TV is true, obviously. The only TOTP performances that genuinely affected and changed me were the KLF in '91 / '92 and Pulp in '95. At that stage, I felt, everything both those bands did *mattered*. Their every move excited me. So, yes, the mediocrity of it all frustrates me sometimes.
― Robin Carmody, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
I often see acts I dislike on Later. I have never seen Lloyd Cole or Harriet Wheeler on Later.
Merritt played a perverse and inapt solo version of 'I Don't Wanna Get Over You' around about the time of the US election - in fact, I seem to remember hearing that he couldn't cast a vote cos he was on Later that week. Anyway, the point is, they should have let him play more songs.
― the pinefox, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Robin Carmody, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― the pinefox, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― the pinefox, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Marcello Carlin, obviously!
― duane zarakov, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― stevie t, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― DG, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Robin Carmody, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
So you agree with Paulin for once?
My presenting team: Troussé as cool front-man for the late-night ladies in the audience. Jones for booking unlistenable acts and talking about 80s sit-coms during his intros.
Spotted drinking beer at table in background: Hopkins, Ewing.
― mark s, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Your all tasteless weirdos who should be shot, Jools Holland OBE is a God, one of teh last great Gods of our time and i never want to here his name bad mouthed ever again!!!!!
― Adam Sowter, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 10:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 10:11 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 10:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 10:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 10:27 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 11:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 11:37 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 12:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 21 June 2004 10:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 June 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link
From the Holy Moly newsletter:
"His inability to convincingly read his ‘crib cards’ reveals that Jools Holland rarely has a clue who the bands on his show are. To add salt to the wounds of ignorance, we hear that bands who appear on Later… are charged a 'non-optional' fee of around a grand for their backdrop."
A small thing maybe, but naything to spear Holland.
― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link
-- suzy (theartskooldisk...), June 4th, 2001.
http://www.specialten.com/http://www.juno.co.uk/products/175837-01.htm
I'm sure there are more examples of these... someone should start a thread. Maybe I will.
― fandango (fandango), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 25 June 2005 09:48 (eighteen years ago) link
Ha ha McCoy Tyner on last night's Later refusing to end his (amazing) number, JH mirthlessly grinning and gurning in front of camera, finally resorting to "Get off!" so um Elbow could finish the show. Tyner totally pwned Mr Boogie Woogie Piano Magic!
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 11:28 (thirteen years ago) link
LOLsome indeed. Hope McCoy kneed him in the balls in the green room after the show. Still they did need extra time for that insightful interview with Beady Eye, eh? As for Elbow... uh, wtf?!?!?!?!
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 11:58 (thirteen years ago) link
later is still on! jeez.
youtube thread of later with jools holland would be good. i'd start it but can't find the right jpeg with which to open thread
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 12:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Beady Eye were atrocious, Liam's voice is well and truly shot. Couldn't bear to watch JH doing his creepily solicitous "interview" with LG.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link
The thing about 'Later...' is that in theory it's the kind of show I should like, but in practice and execution I can't stand it.
― did you notice "you spin me round" was playing in the background? (snoball), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link
They need Cecil Taylor on there, just once.
― Gully Foyle is my name (Matt #2), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link
"Corinne! BaileyRae!"
― Black Arkestra, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Get Jools to play some boogie woogie piano with him
― Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 April 2011 08:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"Nurse! WithWound!"
― Mark G, Thursday, 7 April 2011 08:46 (thirteen years ago) link
"Godspeed You! Black Emperor"
― did you notice "you spin me round" was playing in the background? (snoball), Thursday, 7 April 2011 11:31 (thirteen years ago) link
"Acid... Mothers! Temple... andTheMeltingParaisoUFO!"
― Black Arkestra, Thursday, 7 April 2011 11:54 (thirteen years ago) link
if u saw a thread called
RIP Jools Holland
would u assume he died or just that it was another facetious ilx thread
― navihchkan (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
classic carlin content upthread btw
2001 was a watershed
― navihchkan (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
I guess it was OK for 2001.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
ok, half the time I'm bored and flick channels, especially if JH is adding boogie woogie piano into the mix, plus musicians should never give interviews, but sometimes it's great, its the only live music show on mainstream British telly and we would miss it terribly if it went. Whistle Test and the Tube got slagged when they were on....
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Monday, 21 May 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
Quite rightly, for they were shit.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
it was kind of the end of the post britop pre landfill lull when
Destiny's Child, Mogwai, Skitz, Ludacris, Atari Teenage Riot, Two Dollar Guitar, Roger Whittaker, Godspeed You Black Emperor, Squarepusher, Derek Bailey, Cannibal Ox
could have been in a single issue of the nme give or take a septuagenarian free jazz guitarist or two
― Serov devochka s persikami (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
"jools holland is a national treasure"
About 1,600 results (0.32 seconds)
― Serov devochka s persikami (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
"jools holland is a cunt"
About 1,730 results (0.31 seconds)
democracy has spoken.
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link