Rolling Metal Thread 2010

Never liked Candlemass. Monotheist, though...that's some almost Gira-esque shit.

Had a good time interviewing Brian Posehn today. We only barely talked about metal, I mostly wanted to know about his writing process and the evolution of his performing style, comedy-nerd stuff like that, but the whole conversation was enjoyable and easy. Smart dude, and didn't just use my questions as an excuse to vomit up schtick, which I was worried about, having never interviewed a comedian before (unless Christopher Hitchens counts).

xpost to Herman

iTunes

4 hours to Opeth argghrhrrgh

ksh, i know, but it's just strange to see someone paying for mp3s instead of lovely vinyl or cd.

:-)

All labels should sell vinyl with download copies so that way you get something physical to play + mp3s for your ipod. Fuck all this need space bollocks!

^ completely agree with this

btw nate are you actually out on the tour w/ludicra? because if so ill try to find you on thursday

xpost Current 93 did exactly that with their vinyl reissues. You could DL the MP3s immediately.

solid screen name Jon L, good work

sometimes you just know immediately.

yeah that's where I've always thought the d/l coupon fails, if you buy from a label directly then they should give you a code as soon as you've paid so you dont need to wait to hear the album. Buying from the shop is different obviously.

Robyn Hitchcock has been including a DL coupon in his CD cases which gets you a couple of 'B sides' not on the album. That's another way to go about it.

(sorry for resoundingly un-metal example).

You need to stop being so soft, boy.

btw nate are you actually out on the tour w/ludicra? because if so ill try to find you on thursday

I was out with them in the NW. But I fly out Sunday to Europe. Roadburn-bound!

All labels should sell vinyl with download copies so that way you get something physical to play + mp3s for your ipod. Fuck all this need space bollocks!

I hate vinyl. Hated it in high school, hate it now.

ksh I'm not hardmanning here but I assume you also already have the important Celtic Frost stuff from the eighties, right?

and Hellhammer

god i wish i had bought that boxset. it seemed too expensive at the time now its OOP

ksh I'm not hardmanning here but I assume you also already have the important Celtic Frost stuff from the eighties, right?

― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Wednesday, April 7, 2010 4:43 PM

i'm pretty new to metal. from middle school to the end of high school i mostly listened to whatever pop, rap, R&B, and nu/"alt"metal was on the radio. loved Staind, Slipknot (their 2004 record, at least), Metallica, A Perfect Circle, and Tool. college was all about indie rock. more recently, i've been actually trying to "get into metal" more seriously. i've been buying Decibel, reading old ILM metal threads, following Rolling Metal, looking at old year-end lists, and listening to a lot of different stuff. it feels really good, and has made me way more excited about music than i was before.

but, no, i haven't heard the old Celtic Frost stuff. what should i check out?

tragic serenades ep & into the pandemonium like immediately

then morbid tales, emperor's return, and to mega therion

bloody hell, john and I agree ! Get into the pandemonium immediately seconded (ps avoid cold lake, do not, i repeat DO NOT, listen to Chuck on this matter)

oh man, sounds awesome -- thanks dude. i will add those to my queue of stuff to buy.

getting into a genre is really, really fun. cards on the table, i have been listening to some of these more than others:

Bloody Panda - Pheromone (J0hn, you were repping this on one of the old metal thread i was reading)
Blut Aus Nord - The Work Which Transforms God (same)
Alcest - Sur l’autre rive je t’attendrai
Baroness - Blue Record
Burzum - Filosofem (love this a lot. listened to Belus a bit; need to listen to it much more.)
Mastodon - Blood Mountain (it's good, but i love Crack the Skye more)
High on Fire - Snakes for the Divine
Isis - Panopticon
Torche - Meanderthal
Xasthur - Subliminal Genocide
Cobalt - Gin
Harvey Milk - Life...The Best Game In Town

also been listening to some Tool, A Perfect Circle, and Metallica stuff i loved in high school

bought but haven't really listened to:

Darkthrone - Transilvanian Hunger
Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
Nachtmystium - Instinct:Decay
that Celtic Frost record from 2006 i just got

Oh man you need Mastodon - Remission in your life

And the last Nachtmystium - Black Meddle Part 1 (part 2 is out in june)

For those of you that haven't sworn off "conventional" black metal, I'm really enjoying the new Temple of Baal album, Lightslaying Rituals. Big, punishing production, not the trebly/creepy old-school style, but still plenty of swirliness and blastiness. French, but not really part of the dissonant Deathspell/Blut sound.

ksh re Celtic Frost: The compilation Parched With Thirst Am I and Dying is a pretty good intro/overview, in my opinion. In term of original albums, since you've already heard Monotheist it might make sense to work backwards(ish) in time: Vanity/Nemesis, then Into the Pandemonium, then To Mega Therion. And if you're still having fun, after that, Morbid Tales makes the transition into Hellhammer. Cold Lake, the missing album, is a quasi-commercial digression whose badness (and weirdness) has been overstated, I think, but I'd still put it last in the priority order...

that temple of baal sound cool, glenn. I will be checking it out, thanks.

also,

Blut Aus Nord - The Work Which Transforms God

if you've been listening to that a bunch, the 2009 album (Memoria Vetusta II - Dialogue With The Stars) is highly, highly recommended. my favorite album (not just metal, favorite period) of last year and my fave blut aus nord as well. it's phenomenal.

Am I the only one who can't stand the cover of "Mexican Radio"? Pandemonium is otherwise great, but that track has always bugged me.

KSH, based on your list, you are going to shit your pants when you hear YOB.

Also, the first two Celtic Frost are so much better than Into the Pandemonium. I'd buy them in order, starting with the ultra-classick Morbid Tales.

Listening to the new October File album. It's a good thing Alex in NYC doesn't post around here anymore, because I'm gonna come right out and say it - these guys do Killing Joke better than Killing Joke do nowadays. Plus, there are JK Broadrick mixes of the first four tracks appended. They're not super-different, just a little harsher.

alex does still post on ILM, just not on the metal threads as he's either got old or went soft..

FYI late pass, I got heavy into the Baroness album for like a month; I love the unifying theme so much.

october file: the band anything like october file: the awesome die kreuzen album?

(confessional time: I've never listened to killing joke, so the ref point is lost on me)

argh, make that "confession" time. I need to spend some more time at the grammar rodeo.

You should get the first 3 Killing Joke albums today.

Especially if you like Die Kreuzen.

if you've been listening to that a bunch, the 2009 album (Memoria Vetusta II - Dialogue With The Stars) is highly, highly recommended. my favorite album (not just metal, favorite period) of last year and my fave blut aus nord as well. it's phenomenal.

otm. that album is their crowning achievement imo & I say this as a guy who had work which transforms God at or near the top of my year-end list.

Am I the only one who can't stand the cover of "Mexican Radio"? Pandemonium is otherwise great, but that track has always bugged me.

you know, my sense of it is so completely tied to the time in which it happened - I wasn't the biggest metalhead in the world, but I got into CF about a year before Pandemonium, and I had this feeling that great shit was going to happen (because: the Tragic Serenades EP is probably one of the ten greatest releases in the history of metal imo). ("probably" because it would take me months to work out what the rest of that list consisted of.) but to me, then, anyway, the concept of the from-left-field cover version was pretty damn new, and it was a shocking move, and then I saw them on that tour, and the long beach metalheads totally transitioned their energy from moshpit of death to we're all bros havin a good time for that number - they all yelled "what! does! he! say!" in the ridgeway cadence instead of the tg warrior "whatduz he SAY!" and it was like...I don't know. from that track, you can hear a dialogue between cf & Bay Area thrash, almost. it's a cool move, and a really interesting tossed-off way to kick off an album that proceeds to take no prisoners.

xpost for the love of God yes get at least the first two Killing Joke albums, which are among the best albums of their time.

"it was like...i don't know" = it was such an incredible concert moment that the song was sort of reimagined permanently for me.

In addition to the first two Killing Joke albums I also recommend the EP collection Chaos for Breakfast (early singles, even dubbier and more fucked-up than the first album) and the live album Ha!

alright, sounds like I need some killing joke in my life! I'll definitely be looking into their early stuff. thanks, guys.

If you're US-based, Chaos for Breakfast is crazy expensive; if you're in the UK, though, you can get it pretty cheap through Amazon. Don't know why that is, but it is.

i will also join the first 2 killing joke albums chorus. so so great (i like some of the later period stuff too, but its uh different. i think im the only person left repping for Extremities, Dirt And Various Repressed Emotions, and i will even on a strange day say some posi stuff about outside the gate).

CF is tied to the time and experience of discovering them for me, too. Celtic Frost, Slayer, Anthrax, Metallica, Megadeth -- I moved from Dallas to Boston for college in 1985, so the second half of the 80s, musically, for me, was all about pushing deeper into worlds I'd had only cursory notions of before.

And yeah, "Mexican Radio" came along way before it was routine to hear serious metal versions of seriously non-metal songs. I think Anacrusis did a New Model Army song around the same time. I have a basically unlimited appetite and tolerance for that kind of thing. Just broaching the subject kicks my mind into a groove of thinking up combinations I want to hear. The one that just occurred to me would be Evoken doing Thomas Dolby's "The Flat Earth".

Also, having said above that Cold Lake isn't so bad, I felt obliged to listen to it again, since I hadn't in a good long time. I stand by my opinion. It's got bad parts, and embarrassing parts, and I won't be surprised to read lots of depressing stories about it in Warrior's next volume, but plenty of decent bands have made far worse albums than that.

From day one I've had a weird, perverse admiration for "Cherry Orchards".

As for Killing Joke, although the first two albums are undeniably great, I actually prefer the Fire Dances/Night Time era that followed...

I got into them via Extremities (Money Is Not Our God via 120 Minutes) and then Pandemonium a few years later - which will always hold a special place in my heart. Can't beat the first two + Night Time, though.

i think im the only person left repping for Extremities, Dirt And Various Repressed Emotions

rockapads likes it! i like it, too! it was also my first KJ record.

Killing Joke: First two albums, Ha! (great call), Extremities, Laugh I Nearly Bought One (singles collection with some killer tracks), second ST album with Dave Grohl on drums, Hosannahs From The Basements Of Hell and the new stuff sounds amazing. You should check out their non-Jaz project Murder Inc as well. A few people have taken on Killing Joke and done it quite well including Ministry and Prong. The best stuff with KJ is often B-side and rare material... 'Change' (Requiem B-side), 'Psycche' live (Ha!), 'Turn To Red' (various mixes) 12"...

I really like the new Soulfly album. There. I've said it.