I regret saying Computer World way upthread. The only reason I said that was because "Computer Love" was my favourite song of theirs. But I think "Electric Cafe" is their best album. Maybe you just had to be there to hear what that sounded like when it came out, I dunno. But "The Telephone Call" is the second best Kraftwerk song I think.
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 12 April 2008 10:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I bought "Electric Cafe" on the day of release and I was disappointed with it then - it already sounded dated. As I've said elsewhere, it just sounded like they were paging through presets on their DX7. Side one was such a let down, but side two was far better. "The Telephone Call" is a superb song though.
― Rob M v2, Saturday, 12 April 2008 12:55 (sixteen years ago) link
"Telephone Call" would be more universally regarded as one of Kraftwerk's finest if it weren't for the drumbeat. The sounds used for the BD/SD combo just don't work. They sounds lazy, along with the rhythm itself. Everything floating above the beat is awesome though, I'll give you that.
― Z S, Saturday, 12 April 2008 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Surprised Computer World ranked so highly here. Always found this album a bit...silly? Relatively speaking, of course.
Anyone heard the vinyl reissues? I saw them at the shop today and had to stop myself from buying them all. I'll almost definitely go back and buy TMM and TEE. They also had Autobahn and Radio-Activity, both of which I like / don't love. But the reissues look might fine so I still sorta want them all.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 03:28 (nine years ago) link
I know what you mean about CW. I didn't rate it as highly as TMM or TEE on first hearing and like you I thought stuff like "by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody" wasn't really worthy of them. But it's grown on me a lot b/c it's probably their shiniest and most melodic effort, not to mention how visionary it is. I still wouldn't rate it above TMM but when I saw the Catalogue run last year I pounced on tickets for the CW evening.
― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 10:31 (nine years ago) link
Computer Love has one of their best melodies though.
Radioactivity is by far my favourite of the Kraftwerk albums.
― diss strychnine (dog latin), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 10:42 (nine years ago) link
I thought stuff like "by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody" wasn't really worthy of them
"Turn the dial with your handTill you find the shortwave band"
― A trumpet growing in a garden (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 12:23 (nine years ago) link
"We now switch the radio on, out of the speaker it rings out..We're driving down the motorway!"
― Mark G, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 12:25 (nine years ago) link
Also CW is the album where Karl Bartos really comes into his own as a tunesmith, most of the melodies on that album are his. There was some discussion of this matter on the "favourite member of Kraftwerk" thread, it seems to me that Bartos' departure had a lot to do w/the project stalling after Electric Café
― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 12:57 (nine years ago) link
stuff like "by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody" wasn't really worthy of them
Not worthy in what way?
Computer Love is probably their best but it feels quite unrelenting to me - there's something a bit creepy about the whole vibe (that really takes over on the last two tracks) that prevents me from playing it too often. I would probably have voted Man Machine
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 14:52 (nine years ago) link
I see what you mean, CW was my first Kraftwerk album and I was astonished at how lightweight and dinky it was for a band that was spoken of in such reverential tones. That said I listened to it a lot because it was catchy and funny, nowadays I recognize it as the classic it really is, and can see exactly how it got #1 here, though TE-E and Man-Machine are of course also pretty legit
― Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
Just b/c it sounds a bit twee and childish. "Turn the dial with your hand..." doesn't have that same tone of tweeness.
― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link
Anyone cares to stand up for Electric Café/Technopop? Always felt that one was unjustly dismissed. "Telefone Call" is all time in my book.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
Never liked it much until I heard that live version of "Musique Non Stop" on Minimum-Maximum which quite frankly rules. I just think that style of music was really outdated/unhip at some point in time, relistening to it now it's a pretty neat album, even if for once they sound slightly behind the curve.
― Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link
Yeah experiencing "Musique Non Stop" live during the Min/Max tour was quite a revelation.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 16:28 (nine years ago) link
Like the album apart from "Sex Object", which I think has some sort of sampled slap bass on it, ugh. First side is great, haters begone.
― A trumpet growing in a garden (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 17:04 (nine years ago) link
Also CW is the album where Karl Bartos really comes into his own as a tunesmith, most of the melodies on that album are his.
Citation?
― Vast Halo, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:46 (nine years ago) link
David Buckley's Kraftwerk Publikation goes into this.
― anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Friday, 30 January 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link
Interesting. I have Publikation but haven't read it yet.
― Vast Halo, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:57 (nine years ago) link
Don't know if someone said this already but there's a new kraftwerk doc just starting on bbc4 right now
― let me be your fan taytay (NickB), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:02 (nine years ago) link
In the uk obv
― let me be your fan taytay (NickB), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link
Too much Paul Morley so far.
― You are swimming in spaghetti. Without a paddle. (snoball), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:10 (nine years ago) link
Digging all the footage of German kids losing their minds.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link
Repeated at 01:30 for you TiVo just.
― Mark G, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:16 (nine years ago) link
Don't bother. Only half-watching etc. so
Morley: "The Beatles influence stuff like Elton John unlike our Kraftwerk guys"
Some other idiot: "They will be our Bach"
20 mins there is footage of Coldplay.
Bin.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:49 (nine years ago) link
My partner was watching it next door could hear Tago-Mago Damo through the open door, also heard the fucking Morlester:( so didn't investigate.
― xelab, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
That was a useless programme dear the bbc
― let me be your fan taytay (NickB), Friday, 30 January 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link
Not enough recent 'werk concert footage to be a docu focused on their recent live shows. Not enough interview footage with non-fuckwits (the only Holger Czukay was stuff seemingly filmed for something else, and they only got to speak to Derrick May for to like 10 mins in a warehouse?) to be a decent retrospective docu.
― You are swimming in spaghetti. Without a paddle. (snoball), Friday, 30 January 2015 23:45 (nine years ago) link
Also no Wolfgang or Karl, and the only archive interview footage is of Ralf.
― You are swimming in spaghetti. Without a paddle. (snoball), Friday, 30 January 2015 23:53 (nine years ago) link
Worth it for the old live performances of Pocket Calculator and The Robots
― paolo, Saturday, 31 January 2015 09:44 (nine years ago) link
And Coldplay can do one
― paolo, Saturday, 31 January 2015 09:52 (nine years ago) link
haha i came on ilm specifically to see what yers thought of this doc, i had a feeling it'd be judged to be lousy. weird though; the recent BBC Abba and Kate docs were great IMO.
― piscesx, Saturday, 31 January 2015 10:08 (nine years ago) link
No they weren't - its the usual 'isn't pop great' dreck filled with talking heads who would've hated the stuff at the time it was released.
Burn these museums.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 31 January 2015 10:26 (nine years ago) link
Can't wait for UK Garage Britannia tho'.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 31 January 2015 10:29 (nine years ago) link
the way it started with the tate gallery person listing a few random high profile artist pals who might be partial to a bit of the old kraftwerk and/or wanted to blag tickets off her was just ugh
― let me be your fan taytay (NickB), Saturday, 31 January 2015 10:48 (nine years ago) link
mark s' review of the Tate show.
http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2013/02/kraftwerk-tate-modern-turbine-hall-13-2-2013/
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 31 January 2015 10:58 (nine years ago) link
But yeah Nick these ppl disgust me.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 31 January 2015 10:59 (nine years ago) link
Derrick May was beautiful, most of the rest of it was the usual supertrite cobblers, just stick up all the concert footage you've got and stfu imo
― No Orchids for Ms. Blonde-ish (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 January 2015 11:03 (nine years ago) link
http://youtu.be/JHhBfx0ILkY?t=38m17s
this performance is fantastic too, hadn't seen it before and was worth ignoring the blathering heads for
― No Orchids for Ms. Blonde-ish (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 January 2015 11:06 (nine years ago) link
lol yeah - blew the whole they are robots and don't interact.
I mean its mostly true but that was great. thx for posting it.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 31 January 2015 11:09 (nine years ago) link
fucking Coldplay barely even deserve a mention in an hour long Kraftwerk documentary, let alone 2 minutes
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 31 January 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link
Argh, now it's jumped back to them again! What the fuck
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 31 January 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link
ah dammit, had been looking forward to watching the entire German documentary NV posted when I had an hour to spare, but it has been mercilessly yanked from youtube already
― club mate martyr (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 23:12 (nine years ago) link
:(
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 23:16 (nine years ago) link
it was just a dub of the one shown on BBC4 i think, don't know if there were different talking heads
― No Orchids for Ms. Blonde-ish (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 23:25 (nine years ago) link
ohh ok
I would hope there would be less Coldplay in the German version but probably no such luck
― club mate martyr (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 23:33 (nine years ago) link
i only looked for that "rocking out" bit, don't know if there was a German Paul Morley or what
― No Orchids for Ms. Blonde-ish (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 23:36 (nine years ago) link
Klaus Mehrlig or something
― No Orchids for Ms. Blonde-ish (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link
That documentary would be quite a good intro for people who know nothing about Kraftwerk tbf
― paolo, Thursday, 5 February 2015 09:02 (nine years ago) link
Also I just got Electric Cafe and it sucks :(
― paolo, Thursday, 5 February 2015 09:04 (nine years ago) link