Once the Inevitable 90s Revival occurs which genre will be the most influetial or popular?

PART 2: The End

Now, I'm fucking pissed about the anoying 80s revival, arrogant pagan teenagers who only know pyramids, easy producable fidget or wobble dubstep, etc. And I think that contrary to the 70/80s revival that happened in a pretty specific time where debauchery, nihilism, easy marketing ideas, and party , this 90s revival will occur in a completely different cycle, whether because of the politic, the art, the spirituality etc...But before coming back on this point, here's is the situation I think

From the main "Blog House" (awful name) which consists in saturated bass, and "Nu Disco" (awful name as well) we have gone far. Hip-hop is boring (Timbaland era finished, Crunk era finished) as well. "Electro", as we originaly and wrongly named it, has first evolved into something more bouncy and powerful, the fidget house, and has the name shows it, it was the first sign that even late teenagers and public getting into electro we're already on the bridge that leads back to house. Wobble dubstep is just the continuation, but is also a bridge closer to Techno and IDM/Electronica.

Opportunist from the Electroclash era are coming back, but in opposition to all the 90s group reforming like Skunk Anansie, they go further. Now every casual people, whether students or "beauf" (coach potatoes, guidos etc...) listen to electro, in it's official form (EdBanger), it's pop form ("Nu Disco" and Pop band/artist such as MGMT, La Roux, maybe-upcoming Little Boots) and even horrible form: David Guetta feat Kid Cudi, Black Eyed Pease, Akon...and that's were I can see the difference with a sometime dumb but way more talented artist like Kanye West.

And as we all now, when the mainstream public has put it's grasp on something, it means that this thing is already dead.

PART 3: The 90s revival - This guy is certainly crazy
But as a sensible guy, even if i'm a bachelor in Business and Politic, I forecast my thought according to what I feel is going to be the next thing, not in term of material element or themes like specific music, clothes, but more than that: I see a connexion between politics, economics, psychology, art etc...

We always picture the 90s, at least when you're young, as an happy and naive decade, where you could wear awful dresses, listen to awful garage, and think it's stylish. But the happy years we're those that just passed, the 2000s decade, because if get back in time a little bit, the 90s were horrible. What is it with all those apocaliptic movie, nuclear green colors ? What with all the riots and burning car images? What about the "No Future" slogan? What about the intriguing word "New Age", the dressing like a vampire/goth trend, and the many fucking collective suicides? What about the "technocrates" and "technogoth" and those people focused on technology, the future, and not at all in an utopic sunny way, but more of "apocalyptic/resistance" way. What about these "psychologic" and fuck the world, my boss, the office movies (trainspotting, fight club, american psycho...) ? What about the first conspirationnists ?

Yes, you're starting to get it. What's the ton of color from most of the movies/pictures/clips? Blue, Green, cold colors. Sometimes some shy and drab crimson.

For me the 90s isn't about the cliche we've all get around, dance music, naive TV shows or movies, but it's something more subtle, dark, blurred...

In term of music, all the genre from the 90s are coming and you can trust me on this one: Maybe it will start with some recent things from the early 00s like Lo-fi and Electronica (wrongly labeled melodic dubstep) and some bad Minimal Techno, but pretty soon it will get down to the most profound discoveries we can found: Leftfield and experimental, nu-jazz and some old soundtrack jazzey songs or New Age singing, Deep Techno and House, Uk Garage, the big nu-metal come back, downtempo, and the new generation of Hip-Hop..

From what I know, one of the biggest genres coming back in art is the "Lowbrow" aka Pop-Surrealism, some Steam Punk, but I don't really know more then that

And that's where it's you turn to share.

tl;sb

arrogant pagan teenagers who only know pyramids

wkiw

Sooner or later normal dudes and gals who listen to Unwound will stop being so self aware about their image and how they can work Afro-beat into their brand of messy Brooklyn Animal Collective, MGMT, MIA, or Grizzly Bear aping, and will just wear shirts and jeans that fit and write songs that aren't overstuffed and will sing without forcing themselves to sound over the top in some awful way.

And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.

omg this thread

http://www.currentfilm.com/images3/perfectstormdvdcover.jpg

I meant a substantial movement in rejection of those stupid trends.

Sooner or later normal dudes and gals who listen to Unwound will stop being so self aware about their image and how they can work Afro-beat into their brand of messy Brooklyn Animal Collective, MGMT, MIA, or Grizzly Bear aping, and will just wear shirts and jeans that fit and write songs that aren't overstuffed and will sing without forcing themselves to sound over the top in some awful way.

Your comment is rather reactionary.

Yeah I was venting.

Sooner or later normal dudes and gals who listen to Unwound will stop being so self aware about their image and how they can work Afro-beat into their brand of messy Brooklyn Animal Collective, MGMT, MIA, or Grizzly Bear aping, and will just wear shirts and jeans that fit and write songs that aren't overstuffed and will sing without forcing themselves to sound over the top in some awful way.

The backlash against this type of thing outweighs itself. Are people really feeling that this stuff is saturating music, other than those living in the trendier areas of Williamsberg, Hoxton and Portland? Do you really want everyone to start singing and playing according to procedure, like some Simon Cowell shit?

Nah I was venting about all of the extra bullshit for hipness sake that I see. I saw a band called The Beachniks open for Love Is All, and they really pissed me off. I'm only hoping for the hipness to become less important again, where bands come across like they are more interested in their guitars than their outfits...

I'm speaking very generally, I know.

Wasn't talking in extremes, so no "Simon Cowell" shit either.

I guess if it's all around you, I can see why it can get a bit too much. I mean, I genuinely believe bands like Animal Collective and even Dirty Projectors, while intrinscially linked with the bohohipster scenes they've helped to spawn, do have genuine musical vision and a unique take on things. That said, for every good post-freakfolk, post-noise, post-indie band, you do admittedly have about 10 more hopeless mimics. It's the same thing I saw happening in the IDM scene back in 2001 - you had Aphex and Plaid and Autechre, then you had a thousand bandwagon jumpers all doing the glitch or drill'n'bass or Ae-style Max/MSP jams, but doing very little else that was new. Eventually it just became a caricature; a lame soapbox for socially maladjusted dorks to play wanky arrhythmical drum patterns over boring melodies.

then again, like sonny j (emis attempt at launching upbeat sample based dance pop a few years ago that fell flat on its arse), you could just "recreate" the samples

― mark e, Monday, 22 March 2010 10:05

forgot all about them, what's the story here re: them recreating samples? who did they re-do?

Do you really want everyone to start singing and playing according to procedure, like some Simon Cowell shit?

That might work out, if the chord changes and arrangements are interesting enough (as in, lots of different chords and keys throughout the song, and a lot of interesting stereo effects and dynamic/mood changes)

key changes? how much of the stuff you listen to has fuckin key changes mid song?

bear in mind that Geir does not actually know what chords or key changes are

Haha. I get the feeling there's an epic set of rules about to drop

for rules read deranged bullshit

that bears little to no relation to the actual structural and formal qualities of music

I'm fairly sure what happened here was that Geir had some music teacher back in the day who continuously outlined the reasons he considered pop to be inferior to classical music*, and Geir has since become obsessed with elevating pop by making it conform to "classical" formal standards, hence all this "it needs x number of chords and y number of key changes" nonsense.

*Of course most music teachers of this stripe consider the Beatles to be the exception to this particular rule, eg banging on about the string arrangements on Eleanor Rigby at nauseum.

forgot all about them, what's the story here re: them recreating samples? who did they re-do?

if you look through the credits there is a note re the sample recreation service that was used to put together various tracks.

think this is a fairly well used option these days to make things sound like a sample, but providing a more cost effective solution to get the desired results

I thought the main reason people recreate samples is that it is less costly than actual sampling, since you only have to pay for the rights to the composition, not the recording?

Though I guess sometimes they do it because the original recording artist refuses to give the rights to sample the recording, but the rights to the composition are still available.

some music teacher back in the day who continuously outlined the reasons he considered pop to be inferior to classical music

cf. Roger Scruton analysing and dismissing "Losing My Religion" because it doesn't have any inverted triads, roffle roffle.

Which is lamest:

Magic Eye Posters vs "Keep Calm And Carry On"

Don't remember the BNP co-opting Magic Eye posters so

"Keep Calm And Carry On" = BNP????

Hopefully this shit /= a link hxxp://bnp.org.uk/tag/keep-calm-and-carry-on-poster

would a gabba revival be even at all possible, like, ever?

i don't think i've ever met some1 who likes gabba

never went to holland circa 1995 then i suppose...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uD6E-GWb_RM/RpTaD8MaC6I/AAAAAAAAAxk/CZ5A0ZK3OZE/s320/ABBA+gabba.jpg

really underrated IMO

dubstep is basically trip hop tho isn't it?

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― nakhchivan, Friday, March 19, 2010 5:41 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

Jungle/DnB

Hip-hop currently has both anyway. What is needed now is for the stuff performed by the singers to sound less like Aretha Franklin and more like The Beatles.

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― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:40 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

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dubstep's now become such a diverse genre, going from the Caspa & Rusko school of jump-up in-yer-face bosh, to Joker's more hiphop-influenced purple sound, then some more IDM-influenced stuff which doesn't really incorporate much dub nor step but is still dubstep, and then yeah the more trip hoppy stuff.

i find it almost impossible to keep up, but that's because these days if it plays at 140bpm and has a modicum of bass, then it seems to fit under dubstep.

while geir's comment above is total nonsense, it did pop into my head while i was cycling last ngiht for some reason, and i started wondering what a psychedelic r'n'b music might sound like. not being an expert on modern r'n'b the closest thing i could think of was "The Love Below" or something by Erykah Badu, but it would be interesting to hear someone really pushing things out in the weird stakes or doing bizarre concept albums. Possibly was something done in the seventies by Parliament or Marvin or Stevie (secret life of plants?) and also Vahid's Rough Guide To Hippie Soul (which I enjoy greatly, still).

Yeah kinda nice it didnt go all wobble like dnb went all hoover

if you look through the credits there is a note re the sample recreation service that was used to put together various tracks.

http://www.fretbase.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/23093.jpg

i don't think i've ever met some1 who likes gabba

I used to like it when I was 15.

what a psychedelic r'n'b music might sound like. not being an expert on modern r'n'b the closest thing i could think of was "The Love Below" or something by Erykah Badu, but it would be interesting to hear someone really pushing things out in the weird stakes or doing bizarre concept albums.

There was a thread about this a while ago:

itt: kinda out there, maybe kinda experimental, maybe kinda pretentious modern r&b

My personal recommendation: The World Has Made Me the Man of My Dreams by Meshell Ndegeocello. It's a dope album, and "psychedelic rnb" would be a pretty good description for its content.

i don't think i've ever met some1 who likes gabba

I used to like it when I was 15.

― Tuomas, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:42 (Yesterday) Bookmark

Josh Wink was a step up for you then ;)

More shoegaze would be nice. Never got it's day (aside from MBV).

Now that we're pretty well into the 90s revival, I'm working on a mixtape and I'm hunting for a few more 90s throwback tracks that sound like Nika (Zola Jesus) + Rory's Do You Wanna Be My Baby. Obviously I'm gonna use some Pictureplane, Elite Gymnastics, Korallreven, Keep Shelly in Athens, maybe a little jj or Onra. But I'm looking for something that sounds a little more lo-fi and homemade, like the feel of the Nika+Rory track above -- camped out in the bedroom trying to do Nellee Hooper's Soul II Soul productions. Maria Minerva is closing to what I'm getting at but she doesn't sound like she wants to be pop enough. Anyone found anything like this out there on myspace or bandcamp or whatever? Recommendations appreciated.

Not sure I know how to do embedding so here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW_cUJf2pOM

Are we? I'm ready for punk-sensibilities-meets-bittersweet-melodic song craft of the best 90s guitar rock/pop to rule again and that may be the only style I'm looking for so I'll take your word for it otherwise.

Has anyone done the 90s Lounge/Exotica thing yet?

I mean I enjoy other genres but barely any of them are my thing as far as a 90s sound goes. I'm also not sure where I'm going with any of this besides just being compelled to comment after "90s revival" is mentioned anywhere.

wasn't that stuff so inherently retro that any revival of that be seen more as i dunno a '60s thing? (xpost)