Once the Inevitable 90s Revival occurs which genre will be the most influetial or popular?

La Roux?

Annie from Norway?

True Bush did really keep that theme alive.

you're all wrong. I speak of Katy Perry.

she brought queer themes to the v. centre of society by kissing girls and liking it

ah yes, critical darling Katy Perry, how could we forget

^_^

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lex, i think you're missing the point. as i've said over and over, i'm not hankering for anything particular at all. also, i don't see how r'n'b artists visiting schools (altruisitc a gesture as that may be) equates to the same thing as a mass countercultural youth movement.

Calling crusty a "mass countercultural youth movement" is pretty charitable. And the countercultural aspects of rave are often overplayed.

meanwhile calling t.i. an "r&b artist" is just wrong, and did your eyes just slip past the numerous direct answers to your question re: political and politicised artists of the 00s without taking them in?

*sigh*

we're back here again where i end up arguing with matt dc and the lex about the same old things we've been arguing about for the last five years. shall we call this particular one quits, as it's straying very far from the original bit of this thread when we were talking about crusties.

the last thing i'm gonna say (i promise), is while it's great that popstars get up and do the kind of work lex mentioned, people do react to different stimuli, and if that kind of stimulus happens to be unhinged reactionary rock or dance with an explicit socio-political message, i don't see why this can't co-exist with more subtle acts. Certainly beats that crappy Live Aid reunion in 2005. And it definitely beats bands who have an angry sound and a directionless message. Music isn't going to change the world, but it can make people think a little from time to time.

and in terms of political action i rate t.i. going round schools talking to kids as part of the rock the vote campaign, or indeed lady gaga and christina aguilera forcing themes and images of queerness into the very centre of society, way higher than the incredibly, dumb, INEFFECTIVE, pointlessly "rebellious" music you seem to be hankering for

Madonna brought gayness (as in lesbian) into the mainstream in the "Justify My Love" video already. Not to mention all the openly gay male pop icons of the 80s.

Yeah, like Boy George and... um...

Jimmy Sommerville, for starters. Unlike Boy George, he even sung about it.

who the fuck is Jimmy Sommerville you crazy robot

(bronski beat, communards)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronski_Beat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communards

never heard of them, sorry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mlpxOaQinE

.... Really?

hey what does "crusty" mean in the UK again?

like in the U.S. it's stinky punx that have tattoos on their faces and listen to bands that sound like inept slayer recorded in a 7-11 bathroom

but in the UK it's like techno music that wants to be Weather Report and everyone has dreads and shit?

As for The Communards, they weren't really all that large in the US. Probably because the lyrics were still considered controversial in the Reagan-era.

Erasure I believe also had some US hits though, and Andy Bell was never afraid to talk about his orientation.

Soft Cell and Pet Shop Boys were definitely huge, but I am not sure whether Neil Tennant and Marc Almond were really "out" back then.

kinda. but here it was linked with a "new age traveller" movement and interloped with several musical genres not just rave-based techno. it got a lot of media coverage between 92 and 96 but did seem to fade into obscurity post nu-Labour. xp

xp: IIRC neither was (Almond, Tennant; also calling Tennant a "heartthrob" is generous at best) (okay it is batshit crazy)

Erasure had 2 top 20 hits in 1988 in the US; their profile here was nothing like their profile in Europe.

it just makes me think of shite like carter usm and the levellers. so please dont let shite like this ever make a comeback.
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aw, good old Carter

they were terrible in exactly the right way IMO

its sad he was an unstoppable sex machine

A Grebo revival is def not needed.

xpln the connection btween christina and queerness???

for a while, she dressed and acted like a super tacky drag queen

no it's just that all the super tacky drag queens were acting like Xtina

http://images.google.com/images?q=christina%20aguilera%20dee%20snider&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

(this is the time period I am thinking of)

can't believe they ripped off her style like that, worse than roisin stealing lady gaga's clothes and travelling back in time imo

um, the "beautiful" video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZjr0heZNIw

Also worth pointing out the various climate camps, protests through the City of London, anti-war marches etc that have gone on very regularly and dead set in the centre of the media glare recently. Although the musical soundtrack to this often appears to be psytrance or boshing drum and bass.

the nineties evidently never went away for some

Which is why a 90s revival cannot happen shortly. The 90s will at first have to be the definition of uncool before they can be revived.

Tell me about it, my wife is still looking for those Galliano tapes that I fed to the dog. xp

In order to save the 90s, we have to destroy the 90s

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RSPCA case imo

Yeah, but I doubt they'll be able to re-home her what with the kids and everything.

There's an article in today's G2 about how the dole queue went from "a badge of failure, to one of punk pride and back again".

It seems that at a certain point in history there was a certain romance behind not wanting to conform to getting a day job, wearing a tie, pandering to the man etc.

I think a lot of people, mostly kids from middle class backgrounds I can imagine, became disgusted by the '80s yuppie mentality and Thatcher-era notions of conformity; becoming caught up in grassroots activism, anti-capitalist movements and squatter culture. This is a vein that goes back as far as the fifties, through the hippie movement, and was at its most explicit in punk music (Crass, The Slits, UB40(!))

I suppose back then they considered themselves heroic in a way, but these days it might be considered less so, even villainous to actively withdraw from day-to-day society by contributing as little as possible.

I think it's cos employment mostly sucks but they've made signing on an even bigger pain in the balls tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twZz76Li-8M

but aren't all the "hey remember saved by the bell etc" lols symptomatic of the so-bad-its-good-isms that are the harbinger of revivals

Symptomatic of 19 year olds iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQamw4xxxHY