Daft Punk - Human After All

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Donut this is stupid, I just told you the guitars thing is not a problem, not least cos as I said there are guitars on loads of dance tracks.

And I have heard Rage Against The Machine, many songs, like most young people probably have. The tempo and the way the guitar is looped over an almost hiphop beat sounds so like RATM! I was rooting around my brain for "what does this sound like" and I first thought "WWF music" then "Rage Against The Machine".

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

also, clearly you know I do like "Aerodynamic" and "Digital Love", so am I supposed to be pretending not to like this even though in actual scientific fact it is as good?

It's a fucking loop! It's only barely electronic in the dance sense, it's got no pop sensibility and it's too calm to be techno.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

and as I said, it actually mentally fucking hurts me to have to write this and I keep thinking "oh let me just listen again", but this track is shit! I think alot of ILMers will agree too.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the "WWF Music" = "RATM" thing I disagree with.. RATM without the vocals would sound like a gazillion other rock bands. I was confused by your comparison because I was like "there's not shouting about Communist guerilla groups getting the power back here", which to me defines RATM far more than their guitar sound. Also, this is too choppy for RATM, even sans vocals. Usually there's a continuity to RATM's rock, where this just stabs a lot.. more like Prodigy, granted. I was mainly questioning the RATM mention, mainly.

You guys do know that the new Daft Punk features two songs with Dennis DeYoung on vocals, right?

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a fucking loop! It's only barely electronic in the dance sense, it's got no pop sensibility and it's too calm to be techno.

Except for the 'too calm' part, that describes a good chunk of Homework and many songs after the first four on Discovery, like "Crescendolls" and others. Are you a fan of Daft Punk albums, or just the singles, then?

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard the album the other day at the record company. That is definitely the real Robot Rock.
As for the rest of the album think very basic production and drum programming, lots of Tone Loc-guitars, lots of monotony and lots of vocoders. Theoretically it is great: when the whole world is on this Daft Punk revival trip with stuff like "Drop The Pressure", "Call On Me" and "Yeah" they make their least "pop", least accessible, least "disco" record yet (although one of those rock guitars is similar to Donna Summers "Hot Stuff"). And theory is what really matters, riiiight?
Last track "Emotion" is pretty, you could sing Maria McKees "Show Me Heaven" to it.

― Essdot, Monday, 17 January 2005 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

So, Daft Punk are now the 200X edition of Two Men, A Drum Machine, And A Trumpet!!

"I'm tired of gettin' pushed around..... *GUITAR STAB*"

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I love both albums, but that description does not in my opinion describe anything on Discovery, and not much on Homework either cos of the "too calm" part.

Discovery is pop through and through. This is middlebrow Prodigy style bad dance/hiphop.

And this is the single, jesus this is the band who did "One More Time", "Digital Love", Bangalter did "Music Sounds Better With You". There is NO EMOTIONAL CONTENT WHATSOEVER in Robot Rock and no physical connection either.

I just feel bad, cos I am sure 90 percent of the Discovery fans are gonna be gutted when they hear this track, I really hope the album is better.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Ess is some of it actually far out or weird?

Cos to me "Robot Rock" is extremely accessible, just boring.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Brilliant! I wonder if Simon Harris, Pascal Gabriel, Ivan Ivan, Shep Pettibone or Age Of Chance are going to be around to do remixes for the singles.

well, i wouldn't expect anything "EMOTIONAL" from a song called "Robot Rock" necessarily, but no physical connection? Please. I was nodding my head even to this camcorder bootleg video of the song.. I'm sure a good remix here and there would make this roolz the skoolz (as long as it doesn't follow in the tradition of the quality of remixers they had recently.)

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

it's just slow bad hiphop, they did the exact same thing a thousand times better with "Da Funk"

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Discovery is pop through and through.

It was for the first four songs. Not the entire album though, by ANY means.

This is middlebrow Prodigy style bad dance/hiphop.

I'm not going to comment on this... where to start.

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, ok then, Discovery is disco through and through.

Comment away, but Daft Punk doing a "serious" record is waking up from the dream as far as I'm concerned.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Ronan, have to say I think your damnation is premature!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not claiming the new Daft Punk is going to be their best album by any means.. it could be their worst by a country mile.. or it could blow the previous two away. We are, so far, basing this on a bootleg of one song here so far... let's be fair and not overreact just yet.

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope you're right Spencer! But it's been a long wait and this song is very disappointing. To me it feels like the kind of single that all the people who thought Discovery was ironic or too pop will absolutely love.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't even really hear what the bassline is doing in that clip.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Although, if "Robot Rock" is a sign of what the rest of the album is going to be like, they might actually have a chance to break big-time in the U.S. moreso than ever before.. haha. (*the sound of the rest of the world puking*)

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Comment away, but Daft Punk doing a "serious" record is waking up from the dream as far as I'm concerned.

I guess you didn't think much of Homework then? I like the first album, but it does sound more like it fits the more "serious" traditional electronic/house/techno album niche moreso than Discovery.

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

O ye of little faith!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

based on that sample, i am inclined to agree with ronan here. my one saving grace is the hope that there's all sorts of stuff happening above and below the guitar sample in the mix that a shitty digital camera couldn't hope to pick up.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

that's a given!! considering we're hearing it OFF A CAMERA that song sounds amazing. also i'm not forgetting that the first track released from "homework" was not "da funk" or "around the world" but "alive".

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

At this point, I'm more excited as to how the Daft Punk logo will look on the new album cover front...

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

No I like Homework alot.

I was thinking about this just now, as Mark said, if there was a decent drum beat and other stuff maybe this could be good, dance music production is a subtle thing, god knows, but I am not feeling that sample anyway.

magnify the bass drum to the point where it really sounds like getting smacked in the face and maybe the record would begin to sound kind of "wacky", in a good way.

yes of course we have to wait but for now let's ARGUE ABOUT THE SAMPLE WE HAVE.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

if human after all = discoverys textures (nasal guitars, vocoders) + homeworks structure (ultra repetitive, BASS (which robot rock mihgt have in spades, as noted above)) then its just fine by me.

― :| (....), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway you can't expect a "windowlicker" every time.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

who wants a "windowlicker"!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"harder, better, faster, stronger"?

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

look i was inclined to agree with you that this song is disappointing, but on the other hand i just watched that clip like five times in a row.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the thing i dislike most about it is how clunky it feels, especially those fat guitar chord fragments between refrains. daft punk normally make such nimble tunes - this seems almost below them.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, I just got an advanced look at the album art for Human After All!

http://www.mackron.com/random/daftpunk_humanafterall.jpg

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I watched it about ten times in a row. I might watch it again soon. I want to believe!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Ronan, you're killing yourself. :) Cast away your all too human curiosity and join us at the Church of The Pure Daft Punk Experience. No sneak-a-peaks allowed. We wait till March 21st for the Total Experience with an empty mind and we wear cool robot helmets too.

― Omar (Omar), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

haha!

I am listening to the Black Strobe E-mix now, very calming.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost
I hope that they wear human masks this time!!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

OVER the robot masks!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

ooooooooooooooh.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

01. Human After All
02. The Prime Time Of Your Life
03. Robot Rock
04. Steam Machine
05. Make Love
06. The Brainwasher
07. On / Off
08. Television Rules The Nation
09. Technologic
10. Emotion

This tracklisting does kinda look like Blue Oyster Cult song titles.. kinda?

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooooooh, how amazing would it be if they covered "Don't Fear the Reaper"????!!!! MORE 808 COWBELL!!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah this clip is fucking awful.

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i watched the clip several times as well, as i said upthread, it's infectious despite the monotony and apparent lack of imagination in it. one thing that struck me instantly was the funky riff, i'm not sure what it is but it sounds so FRESH. they may have spent six weeks recording it but something about that sound makes me think it could've taken eight years to ferment and tweak...i figure the album is half about song and half about sound, again occupying a platform between the two previous proper albums.

― Stevem On X (blueski), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

problem is, murs' "intro" uses the exact same sample.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

how is that a problem??

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

that'll teach you to stay off the murs.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

?????

Just because Renegade Soundwave sampled that Mandrill lick on "Blue Eyed Boy" from Soundclash years before Public Enemy based "By The Time I Get To Arizona" on it on Apocalypse 91.., doesn't make me like the PE song any less!

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

all i meant was that it's hard to pretend they spent eons tweaking the sound when the same sample was used elsewhere. that's all.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

advance word from a friend: "on/off is ace. best best. makes me cry. more emotional than one more time."

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

It's hard for me to pretend that length in recording has anything to do with the quality of a song, in general. Maybe "Robot Rock" was done in 7 minutes. Does it make a difference either way?

― donut christ (donut), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

no!

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 17 January 2005 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Ronan: "Ess is some of it actually far out or weird?"

(spoiler alert, obv)

"The Prime Time Of Your Life" has these shaffel-y drums that sort of sneak up on you, until the tempo starts increasing to the point where some crazy dutch gabber would feel like DJ Screw in comparison.
"Steam Machine" is not much more than a distorted voice whispering "steam machine" like it was a chorus out of that Primal Scream-Xterminator-cd. And it sounds like a steam machine.
"Make Love" is an instrumental, sort of a cousin to "La Ritournelle" by Seb Tellier, you'd imagine Bryan Ferry singing over it.
"Brainwasher" has a robot voice saying "i am the brain washer" over a very mechanical riff. The voice gets very stretched out and fucked with like in some forgotten jungle 12" from 93. "On/Off" is just a skit, some noisy channel surfing which I guess fits in to the TV theme for the supposed album cover (which I haven't seen but heard about).
If the first album was Dr Dre and the second was ELO then this one is Huey Lewis (in a crazy loop stuck inside of P Batemans head).

― Essdot, Monday, 17 January 2005 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

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