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wait, so DEP and Crytopsy haven't been mentioned yet?

― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

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That's the newer one, xhuxk.

Well, the thing I like about them most is Carla Kilstedht, honestly. Her violin and singing is a thing to behold, she also plays in Tin Hat Trio. After that, I dig the prog-rock complexity of their arrangements and the bass-heavy, metal-esque way they approach the execution of the songs. Then there's the appeal of their unique-sounding homemade instruments, their unified look in concert, and the odd cabaret diversion (I LIKE the cockroach song).

They remind me of some unholy alliance between Queen, Mad Max, Metallica, and 20's surrealism. Plus, they are extremely nice people, which oftens counts more with me than it maybe should.

What can I say? I've probably seen them a dozen times and am on their mailing list. So I'll just say going to see them might be worthwhile even if the albums don't click with you.

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

sleepytime gorilla museum are fantastic musicians and a very tight band, but i'm not a big fan of their actual musical output either. i agree that they are extremely nice people. great stage presence and cool homemade instruments, too. i wanted to like them....

― 6335, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum just signed with The End Records, FYI.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:51 (twenty years ago)

I find their change to The End Records a bit odd. The End Records is a pretty solid metal label/distributor, but I don't quite see them being in line with Sleepytime Gorilla Museum- their presence on Web of Mimicry made sense, and I wonder what compelled them to leave and sign to The End. It's a pretty big coup for The End.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:19 (twenty years ago)

Sleepytime is an excellent band. It's like an RIO metal band with a cabaret and street folk vibe. They're not for everyone, since they're too disjointed and strange for most metalheads and far too heavy and ugly for rock fans. They're basically designed for a very small avant garde niche crowd. If you go in expecting a rock band you're going to be very disappointed as they're NOT a rock band.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

They are however extremely heavy live, a lot more brutal than a conventional metal band, albeit in a more jarring dissonant (RIO) way than you might expect from a densely packed death metal sound.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

i wasn't expecting anything. i got a cd in the mail one day. it was bad. not saying they can't be entertaining live though. i've never seen them.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:31 (twenty years ago)

What's "RIO"? You mean like Duran Duran??

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:32 (twenty years ago)

And I like plenty of stuff that's way weirder than that Sleepytime CD. My problem wasn't that it was weird; it's that they didn't seem very good at it. (But again, yeah, I've yet to see them live either.)

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:36 (twenty years ago)

the cd seemed kinda old-tymey to me. like a new foetus record or something. and like foetus, i get the whole heavy industrial cabaret thing, but it's not something i really want to listen to. unless it's 1984. and that would be impossible. and speaking of 1984, moe! bought a rat at rat r album off of me on ebay years ago and he liked my description of the record so much that he sent me a copy of a single he had put out which was really nice of him. and the single had melt banana and the flying luttenbachers on it. in keeping with this thread.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:20 (twenty years ago)

By RIO, I mean Rock in Opposition.

Henry Cow, Samla Mammas Manna, Univers Zero, Art Bears etc. were bands in the "movement." SGM have a certain fondness for the sound (particularly Henry Cow and Art Bears) and you can hear it in their arrangements.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:29 (twenty years ago)

I've heard things weirder than Sleepytime as well, but they're not really weird for weirdness sake in my opinion. They are pretty intense though. Their live shows are definitely better than the live material. Their albums can seem a bit anemic comparatively.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:31 (twenty years ago)

er album material.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:31 (twenty years ago)

i dunno, everything everybody has said in favor of them on this thread screams "annoying novelty band" (homemade instruments, gulp!) but i did like an art bears LP once, so who knows? (it was *winter songs*. wish I still owned it. dagmar krause was even more geddy lee than geddy lee. speaking of art-metal. also, didn't she or they have some connection with slapp happy? i actually put "everybody's slimmin' [even men and women]" in my top ten singles list in 1983 or whatever year it was that it came out. i believe i also voted for "nuclear war" by sun ra that year! speaking of art non-metal. ha ha, i was so wacky then.)

― xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:22 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, and come to think of it, i think i also voted for "compulsion"/"pulsations" by test dept that year! (speaking of art-metal made out of actual sheets of metal.)

― xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:24 (twenty years ago)

Banging on metal/homemade instruments = Z'ev to thread. There once was a time when I bought Z'ev records and said I liked them. That was twenty years ago. I didn't mean it. It's a common phenomenon with boys. Better Z'ev than have to join the military and have it beaten out of you in basic.

― George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, I bought Test Dept and Neubauten records while I was IN the military,

― xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:40 (twenty years ago)

Dagmar Krause was Slapp Happy's singer, which is how she was co-opted into Henry Cow and then the Art Bears.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:16 (twenty years ago)

Heh, "annoying novelty band" is a very subjective concept. Someone might actually genuinely like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum while being a perfectly sensible music enthusiast. People might see a gimmick there, but I actually like their music and find parts of it genuinely moving and I've never been into being different as an end in itself. I like straight pop and metal.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:19 (twenty years ago)

So Slapp Happy made a comeback after that then? This single was definitely from '83 or so.

By the way, I should note that I for the most part LIKE The End Records, thanks to all their lovely goth metal stuff that has no metal in it. They are just about the only art-metal label around not addicted to extreme and gratuitous ugliness. So maybe, if that label likes them, Sleepyhead Guerilla Mustard are more beautiful than I thought. xp

― xhuxk, Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:20 (twenty years ago)

Slappy Happy has reformed on occasion, yes.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 16 February 2006 01:21 (twenty years ago)

The Nation and National Review should sponsor a battle of the bands between Henry Cow and Rush as part of a political series.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:16 (twenty years ago)

http://vs.dead-inside.org/angizia-cover.jpg

Back to the topic at hand.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:49 (twenty years ago)

http://vs.dead-inside.org/angizia-cover.jpg

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 16 February 2006 02:51 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.alien8recordings.com/release_image/name/192/size600/ALIENCD67CoverRGB.jpg

the newer Nadja record. this is really blowing my mind right now. such a great release.

listen here:

http://www.alien8recordings.com/releases/168/Touched

― Cameron Octigan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

I can't stop listening to the Goslings' "Grandeur of Hair". It has so many interesting sounds.

― Drooone, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, me too! i heard they are from Florida? do you know where?

man. that Goslings record does rule. it's a husband and wife, i believe.

― Cameron Octigan, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 02:45 (nineteen years ago)

No, I'm an isolated insulated Australian. I have no idea where they're from. Didn't even know them were from Florida.

I did know they're a husband and wife though. and they rule.

― Drooone, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

Nadja and The Goslings are awesome. You guys should all sign up for the Archive mailing list.

http://www.archivecd.com/shop.htm

Slimm always has loads of Nadja/Aidan Baker stuff and he also released The Goslings on the label.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

art meddler:

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n176/velurenightmare/m-art-thief.jpg

― Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

Everyone needs to hear The Goslings

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

i've heard them. it was kind of noisy and not really engaging to me. i'll probably give them another shot someday.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

I tried that Nadja thing this weekend (named after my wife's favorite movie, so it got my attention) but it bored me. Weak pseudo-Godflesh. Maybe I'll give it another try, but I'm very busy this month listening to stuff I'm being paid to listen to, like DragonForce and Dimmu Borgir and that new/old Dokken live album. We'll see.

― unperson, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

read the last month or so of Simon Reynolds' blog? maybe k-punk too?

― fukasaku tollbooth, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Watch out for SuperSonic 07 festival in Birmigham, details of the line up to be announced very soon ! including

Symposium -'Metal'

http://www.capsule.org.uk/Coming_Up/177.aspx

― djmartian, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Invisible Oranges blog on art-metal

http://invisibleoranges.com/2007/03/hipster-metal.html

― djmartian, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god "hipster metal"

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

oh god indeed

― latebloomer, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

someone should be shot for coining that

It wouldn't have been so bad if it had at least been Manowar who did it.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Nigel Metal

NIGEL HIPSTER
('nI-jel 'hip-st&r)
Noun: Anyone who appreciates or supports black metal for ironic reasons, or because they find it humorous.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

the thing about a polarizing term like that is that it excludes people who like black metal for both "ironic" and "unironic" reasons. it's possible to enjoy and take seriously a type of music while appreciating it's abdsurdities.

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

ugh "its absurdities" i mean. i am just incapable of posting without making typos apparently

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

The people who throw about terms such as hipster metal and nigel metal are usually people who are not worth listening to let alone reading stuff by them.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

heheheh. this thread.

am i really meant to give a toss that some borderline sociopath might think i was a "hipster" or a "nigel" or whatever for, you know, liking a certain type of music?

hellfire. i was "gay" at school for liking erasure and the PSBs as well as the happy mondays; for liking the human league as well as faith no more (oh, the irony!)

i've been accused of being an indie spod, a dilettante, a wigga (no, seriously), a rockist, a popist and a twat (the last usually when i express my undying love for carter USM). perhaps i should be impressed by anyone to whom music, or rather musical taste and tribalism, means so much. but then i think: you poor closed-minded bastard. now piss off.

it's about listening, not lifestyle. siegbran was on the bloody money on april 24, 2003 :)

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

latebloomer OTM.

Hey, the vinyl for Altar -- sunn0))) & Boris -- is out! Bought a copy last night. Thirty bucks, but WTF, you know? Package sure is pretty. It's like a very colorful record-brick. You could build houses out of it. And it even sounds half-decent. (Record is grate! Vinyl sounds ... okay.)

Has weird liner notes by Kim Thayil, who used to be in Soundgarden. They were a band. Anyway, it turns out that Kim writes some goofy-ass liner notes, but I'm sure he's a very nice man. Cheers!

― Pye Poudre, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Angelblood is the right answer.

― MRZBW, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

I got my Altar vinyl in today!!! Simon The Wigga* is bound to be able to get one in Glasgow I think,

* The Mind Boggles

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Angelblood is the right answer.

Angelblood are great,
If anyone is interested the cd version of the Dead Raven Choir 3xLP box is out now.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 8 March 2007 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

Years later, this thread still has a very stupid title.

― xhuxk, Thursday, 8 March 2007 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

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