Most shocking Rock & Roll Hall of Fame snubs (according to CNN.com)

honestly though i can't really get mad at bands not getting in the hall of fame.

it's not the "best bands", it's just "these are the kind of bands that get in the hall of fame."

like the hollies? i mean...they might as well just say "hey did your band exist from 1966 to 1969? were you semi-popular? you're in!"

Until a year or so I would've agreed, but a friend played me about an hour of Hollies shit which straight blew my mind.

(Tho I guess you're not so much belittling the Hollies there)

Alice Cooper's greatest songs were, more or less, "School's Out," "Eighteen," "Elected," "Under My Wheels," "Hello, Hooray," "No More Mr. Nice Guy," "Ballad Of Dwight Fry," "Be My Lover," "Billion Dollar Babies," "Black Juju," "Caught In A Dream," "Clones (We're All)," "Dance Yourelf To Death," "Desperado," "Elected," "Generation Landslide," "Hallowed Be Thy Name," "Halo Of Flies," "How You Gonna See Me Now," "I Never Cry," "Is It My Body," "Killer," "Model Citizen," "Muscle Of Love," "Teenage Lament '74," "Welcome To My Nightmare," "You And Me," and maybe a few others. (Haven't pulled on Easy Action or Pretties For You in quite a while, I admit; somebody else can handle those.)

Depeche Mode have sold 25 million more albums than Journey?? Like, in a world that includes North America? Hm, maybe it's cause Journey's hits are mostly on a couple of albums?

That DM number was for "albums + singles" though, not sure what the breakdown is there, but it's still a shitload of albums.

I'm still in the closet re: Rush, which is even more shameful on account of my being Canadian.

xp And "Only Women Bleed" obviously (a major feminist statement!), but clemenza already mentioned that one.

Alice Cooper and Mott the Hoople were as good as The Stooges, Zeppelin and Black Sabbath, to name three other bands from the time that weren't taken seriously, but are unimpeachable nowadays. This will get sorted out eventually.

IRRC, the Marsh-edited Rolling Stone Record Guides gave low marks to Ziggy Stardust and Roxy Music before Siren, and not to much weight to Iggy, Mott or Alice. Dude did NOT like platform boots.

Alice Cooper. Seriously, what the fuck?

I assume the same Guide had little use for T. Rex as well? xpost

Can't remember. On further though, they he gave Mott a high rating.

IRRC, the Marsh-edited Rolling Stone Record Guides gave low marks to Ziggy Stardust and Roxy Music before Siren, and not to much weight to Iggy, Mott or Alice. Dude did NOT like platform boots.

The 1979 edition gave Bowie higher marks than the 1983 edition; the latter's Bowie entry was written by someone else (neither entry was by Marsh), and the highest rankings were 4-stars for Lodger and Scary Monsters.

The 1983 edition gave Mott The Hoople's Mott five stars. All The Young Dudes got four stars, and Marsh wrote their entry. He compared Mott favorably to Forever Changes.

Based on his entry for "Bang A Gong" in The Heart Of Rock & Soul, Marsh seemed to prefer Bolan to Bowie, but the (non-Marsh-penned) T. Rex entry in the RS Guide didn't give anything more than 3 stars (for Electric Warrior.

there we go, thanks.

I think Slade should get in to the HOF before T. Rex, tbh.

in the US they're really just known for giving us quiet riot, so, uh, no

kinda surprised Heart didn't get in before Blondie

plus nancy's married to cameron crowe, that has to count for something

"Poison" and "Feed My Frankenstein" too, Chuck!

in the US they're really just known for giving us quiet riot, so, uh, no

Isn't T. Rex mainly remembered in the US now for that Power Station song?

kind of sad that no one is biting on my "Yanni is better than The Sex Pistols" troll bait

Didn't set off my troll meter because it's true...

I say this as a huge John Lydon/Public Image Ltd. fan, naturally.

"Some Like it Hot" is by Duran Duran

No, it's Power Station.

uh, I think I know my Duran Duran

"Some Like It Hot" is by Power Station, foo.

Isn't T. Rex mainly remembered in the US now for that Power Station song?

"Get It On" was a top ten hit for Bolan, too! And you hear stuff like "20th Century Boy" everywhere, dude's got more respect/cult/clout here than Slade by a mile, valid or no.

If you mean John and Andy Taylor had a hand in writing it, then sure.

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"20th Century Boy" is my second favorite New York Dolls song

Voted PE on the basis of Geir's proselytizing/evangelizing.

behind "Suffragette City" or "Lust For Life"?

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trick question: they were all by Lou Reed's band Velvet Goldmine

exactly^^^^^

Has Yanni ever written a song more memorable than John Tesh's theme to NBA on NBC?

I think his version of Helter Skelter is pretty memorable.

on a thread recently someone pointed out how weird it is that Green Day is held in really high esteem nowadays, like, they ~made it~. I feel the same way about RHCP, I think b/c I missed the late 90s (lol grad school) when they apparently became the biggest rock band in the world.

I just feel like Yanni is coasting on his mustache while Tesh is hunched over a piano, pencil in teeth, scrunched up sheets of paper on the floor, trying to find the perfect hook.

Knowing they've sold 120 million records makes me even more surprised that Chicago weren't inducted. Again, not saying that they're MY personal choice. But since everyone else is speaking up for who they'd personally choose, I'll toss my Alice Cooper top-hat in the ring.

Oh, and Yanni is better than The Cure.

(How's that for troll bait?)

Just randomly watching Alice Cooper videos on Youtube, and had to post this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRHFIVJtqpc

Like Rush the most, am most surprised about Chicago.

Don't know if this justifies it's own thread, so I'll post it here:

If the Rock hall of fame uses sales as one of its biggest criteria, what's going to happen 5-10 years from now when 'sales' becomes a meaningless factor? Are more indie acts going to get in as a consequence?

there's thousands of 60s,70s and 80s acts still to come for them to worry about that.

^ HA, yeah, I guess. OK, new question: what happens when Jann Wenner dies and people stop looking at looked-over 60s/70s acts?

Ha, Yanni was in a Minneapolis glam band with Cheap Trick's original singer and a live show modeled on Alice Cooper--closer than you know, love each other so...

http://www.citypages.com/1998-11-04/arts/from-flannel-to-glitter/all

i'd say Public Enemy not being in is the most shocking in that they seemed to fit most of the (unofficial) Jann Wenner/Dave Marsh/rockist critics' criteria: the critics loved them, their lyrics were "important" (as opposed to, i dunno, LL Cool J's or EPMD's), and they appealed to white rock critics whose dicks got hard for rock bands with a "message" and some sort of punk-ish appeal.

i'm amazed that Genesis got in before Yes -- esp. in that prog-era Genesis is nowhere near as good as prog-era Yes.

i mean, if yer gonna have ONE token prog band in the fucking place then why not have a GOOD one (like Yes or King Crimson)?!?

Yeah but Genesis went on to become Big Stadium Nice Band, Yes never did that. I'm guessing that's more what did it.

(and everyone's mum and dad likes phil collins, but I bet none of them have even heard of Rick Wakeman)

Based on his entry for "Bang A Gong" in The Heart Of Rock & Soul, Marsh seemed to prefer Bolan to Bowie, but the (non-Marsh-penned) T. Rex entry in the RS Guide didn't give anything more than 3 stars (for Electric Warrior.

― Tarfumes The Escape Goat

Actually, Marsh did write that (blue book) T. Rex entry. (Probably what you meant to say.)

Alice Cooper's greatest songs were, more or less, "School's Out," "Eighteen," "Elected," "Under My Wheels," "Hello, Hooray," "No More Mr. Nice Guy," "Ballad Of Dwight Fry," "Be My Lover," "Billion Dollar Babies," "Black Juju," "Caught In A Dream," "Clones (We're All)," "Dance Yourelf To Death," "Desperado," "Elected," "Generation Landslide," "Hallowed Be Thy Name," "Halo Of Flies," "How You Gonna See Me Now," "I Never Cry," "Is It My Body," "Killer," "Model Citizen," "Muscle Of Love," "Teenage Lament '74," "Welcome To My Nightmare," "You And Me," and maybe a few others.

You've got a long list of songs there, that much be true. Is every one of them the equal of the 12th-best songs by Dylan, the Rolling Stones, Neil Young, or the Velvets? I guess it depends on what the meaning of "is" is--for me, not even close. (Hi, Chuck!)

I haven't made lists, and don't plan to, but I'd be surprised if the 12 best ones of those (adding in "Only Women Bleed," quite possibly one of those dozen) don't match the 12 best by those other guys. Kinda unfair to expect Alice's #28 (or whatever) to match everybody else's #12, no? (Uh..hi Clemenza! But I'm slow and haven't figured out who you are.)

(Fwiw, I think either "Black Juju" or "Welcome to My Nightmare" would wind up #28 -- probably my least favorite songs up there. And no, those would definitely not be as good as Dylan/Stones/Velvets/Neil's #12.)