Steely Dan: "Steely Dan's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy bop-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought

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MUSICIAN: People that are essentially out-takes.

haha beautiful.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

That is just great. Whoever David Breskin is, he is now immortal.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

This thread is fucking great. Here's a question for y'all: Who's the current (new) Becker & Fagen? I'm thinking it might be folks like Rufus Wainwright; that's the first name that comes to mind, anyway, someone who's not afraid of being slick but isn't JUST slick, has plenty else going on underneath that glossy surface. But I'm not being exact, I'm just coming off the cuff. Any others? Any at all?

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

Phrased that way I suspect some would argue Belle and Sebastian.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

the neptunes? *ducks*

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

(actually i was just being glib, but there's a grain of truth there.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

i'm sorry if somebody has already said this, but steely dan is who you embrace after you are done embracing everything that they are not. in my experience anyway.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago) link

actually strongo the first N*E*R*D album (haven't heard the 2nd) is pretty much a SD record, so you're probably right.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

God, I hope it's not Rufus Wainwright.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

(Thank you, jaymc.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

Stevie doesn't get much love here....but Malkmus' first solo record had a little SD vibe to me (at the least the 4-5 good songs on it)..his more "story songs" like Jenny and Ess Dog or Vanessa From Queens (although that's not exactly a story really)...kinda remind me of Fagan a little. He's also at once sympathetic and also somewhat mean to his characters at the same time, like Fagan.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

I think someone might agree with you, M@tt.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

no votes cast for singles?! shame on you!!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, she already explained herself on another thread!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

And she voted for Dave Q!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

pfft...like i actually pay attention to things i read.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

i think dave q is the steely dan of our generation

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago) link

fuck all y'all Rufus haters, btw

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

I figured I was wrong anyway, it was something that popped into my head.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

this reminds me that I still have never heard Rufus Wainwright.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

i dont even know who he is!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

i have become a parody of myself

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

"become"

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

he's like the Canadian David Sylvian except he can actually write and sing. [[runs]]

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

I like the idea of Rufus Wainwright.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

his first record is good.

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

I was kidding--though he and Sylvian do share a certain, how do you say, hyperromanticness. But Rufus has an annoying voice, writes really convoluted melodies that work way better than they ought to, rips off classical music and opera left and right, and I liked the idea of him better than the reality till about two months ago, when I was eating at an all-night diner and Want One came on and kept me in the restaurant from start to finish. Then on came Endtroducing and that kept me there another hour. One of the best nights out eating I've had, and the food wasn't even any good.

xpost: I respect the first two records and love the new one, though I know lots of folks who, like Jody, feel the opposite.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

he's like randy newman meets dame edna

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

anyway. Steely Dan. they rule.

xpost Jody is SO FUCKING OTM.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

But Rufus has an annoying voice

Bingo.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

(i haven't heard want one yet -- what do you like about it?)

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

xpost Jody is SO FUCKING OTM.

new genre: dragtime

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

this thread is redeemed by jody with her reams of dan trivia

otherwise wtf

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

neptunes arnt the new steely dan because their lyrics are dumb as hell and their music is very simple. there is no modern day steely dan just like there is no modern day bacharach. they are just too unique.

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:05 (twenty years ago) link

xxxxxxxpost: my roommate wasn't listening to Ryan Adams this morning but rather her other CD of choice, the Postal Service, who are perhaps very good but now I'll never know.

Ahhh wait the new Fagen is Joe Pernice! think about it. musically, maybe Sea and Cake (in some ways, they're a lot like Gaucho)

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:05 (twenty years ago) link

oh wait now i read matos's posts and owe him an apology

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

hard to put my finger on--mostly I think it's that the grand gestures feel inhabited instead of . . . not forced, they didn't feel that way on the first two records, but like announcements; the earlier stuff feels a bit like, "here I am, this is what I do, notice my chops/interests/leanings," which is fine and certainly not false. but on Want One, they feel totally natural, like he's completely comfortable in them, and that comfort level means he can do with them whatever he wants, so the mastery seems less showy. and it may also just be that I've gotten used to the voice, which takes a long time to get around.

xpost no shit there's no new anything, I just thought I'd go fishing and piss you all off in the process, which I've done yay!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

the postal service is as bad as ryan adams.

http://myweb.thump.net/995729/ali.jpg

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

I'm inclined to agree with you. Who the hell likes TPS and Adams and doesn't like SD? gaddamit

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link


Moderator: Are you worried that you might be put in the same class as other famous reunion's
that were/are just in it for the fast money... i.e., The Eagles...Sex Pistols...The Who...etc.?

Donald: Aren't they in the "slow" class?

Walter: They're in the LOW class.

Moderator: Don't you mean No Class...

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:12 (twenty years ago) link

HoopsMcCann: Josie and I were wondering if you Would you guys like to come to the
DanVention that is being planned....

Donald: Well, where's it being held?

Walter: I heard it was going to be the planet Zonar.

Donald: We need more information to make a big decision like that.

HoopsMcCann: It hasn't been decided yet...

Walter: Plus, we haven't even been invited!

HoopsMcCann: You are invited!!!

Walter: Sorry, can't make it.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

thanks M@tt. I always thought Pavement were the new Steely Dan -- i.e. post-punk Steely Dan

Horace Silver/Charlier Parker is to Steely Dan as the Fall/Husker Du/whatever is to Pavement. Let each duo be a smart, privileged college kid in the other's era and they come up with the same kinda stuff.

chris herrington (chris herrington), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

I think my favorite liner notes of all time are from Aja:

It was about two A.M. on an unseasonably chilly evening in June when the phone rang. Having just put the finishing touches on a rather lukewarm review of the Leo Sayer concert out in Queens, I was anything but ready for the rapid-fire monologue delivered long distance from L.A. by a man who introduced himself as Steve Diener. After a half hour or so, I came to understand that this garrulous gentleman worked for ABC Records and was inviting me out to Hollywood to observe a Steely Dan recording session, the object being to compose an eyewitness account of the proceedings for a posh European publication. Of course, I was delighted at the prospect and perhaps even a wee bit flattered when I was told that the group had specifically requested my presence. I later found out that this was not entirely true. In retrospect, I should have realized the assignment would not be all sweetness and light; in no way has Steely Dan made its reputation by catering to the rock press. In fact, their contempt for pop music critics was well known to myself and my colleagues. As it turned out, a little caution on my part would not have been out of order. By the end of the first session at Producer's Workshop in Hollywood, it had become abundantly clear to me that nobody inthe "group" new or cared who I was or what I was doing there.

Several sessions later, after Donald and Walter had been apprised of my identity, there was trouble. To make a long story short, I managed to attend perhaps a dozen sessions at three different studios and, on two occasions, attempted to inter- view the composers. Unfortunately, both cassettes were seized under grievous circumstances by a fellow whom I believe to be in the employ of the reluctant interviewees. The loss was inconsequential considering that fact that, at that point, my relationship with the belligerent song writing duo had become so strained as to produce a dialog that consisted mainly of threats, insults, and rude remarks. This, then was the raw material I had to work with. I had squeezed out about three thousand words when I heard from a friend in London that the afore- mentioned European magazine had folded.

It was not until a year later that I received a second phone call from Mr. Diener, now president of ABC Records, who informed me that the "guys" had specifically requested yours truly to write the liner notes for the new album and that a cassette copy of same would be forthcoming. Putting aside personal rancor, I gave "Aja" a listen. I have listened many times since. When they made their recording debut in 1972, Steely Dan was more or less a conventional rock group comprised of six active members. Almost immediately, the roster began to shrink until, by the time "Pretzel Logic" was released, the two composers appeared to be dependent on the performances of a baffling array of crack session regulars. Thanks to their deliberately vague manner of listing album credits, it became virtually impossible to determine who was playing what on any given track (a practice that has persisted until now). This latest album, following on the hot heels of that depraved and cynical masterpiece, "The Royal Scam", represents a departure from the puerile brooding that has distinguished Donald and Walter's work up to now. In this writers opinion, "Aja" signals the onset of a new maturity and a kind of solid professionalism that is the hallmark of an artist who has "arrived".

Side One opens with "Black Cow", a catchy disco-funk number that defies categorization. Bitterly sarcastic lyrics are underpinned by cloying jazz-crossover harmonies, the whole thing propelled by an infectious, trendy beat. Featured here is Victor Feldman's thoughtful electric piano solo followed shortly by Tom Scott's earthy tenor sax. The tile cut, "Aja", is a rather ambitious work in which a latin-tinged pop song is inexplicably expanded into some sort of sonata or suite. The result is a rambling eight-minute epic highlighted by Wayne Shorter's stately, rhapsodic solo which descends gracefully into a recapitulation of the vocal theme. The sensitive, sometimes explosive performance by drummer Steve Gadd may be his finest recorded work to date. The side closes with "Deacon Blues", an Edge City ballad enlivened only by Pete Christlieb's haunting tenor work and a tasty chart by Scott.

Side Two finds vocalist Donald Fagen admonishing yet another lover in a danceable ditty entitled "Peg". Jay Graydon's electric guitar threatens after the initial refrain. The composer's describe this piece as a "pantonal 13 bar blues with chorus". That's the kind of double- talk they were giving me towards he end. We are now confronted by a stunning feet of pop legerdemain. "Home At Last", on first listening an unpretentious roadhouse shuffle, turns out upon close inspection to be a minor marvel of poetic grace and structural economy. At this late date, it would hardly seem possible for an artist to take Homer's immortal tale, so thoroughly exploited by Joyce in 1922, and educe from it new insights - especially within the narrow scope provided by the medium of popular song. Beneath the attractive, effortless flow of words and music, one discovers a lyric presence and fineness of perception that is a rare thing on disc nowadays. I can't say enough about this lovely rhythm-and-blues poem. "I Got The News", a Manhattan-jukebox thump-along, serves as a vehicle for the coy pianistics of Victor Feldman, whose labors are capriciously undermined by Walter Becker's odd, Djangoesque guitar and pointlessly obscene lyric. The final cut, "Josie", exemplifies Steely Dan's remarkable versatility. Rich with images of random violence, copulation, drug abuse, loitering with intent and other misdemeanors, this sociopathic jump tune is sure to become a classic zebra in the annals of Punkadelia.

Michael Phalen

Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

They're a while back now, but The Beautiful South has a lot in common with Steely Dan: beautifully crafted, glossy songs with sardonic lyrics. The musical infuences are different, but the soul is the same.

Any Minor Dude, Friday, 13 February 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

A modern day Steely Dan? The Aluminum Group maybe?

LondonLee (LondonLee), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

Why can't we just link Steely Dan and The Fall?

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, Jim O'Rourke's last couple solo albums have clever, misanthropic lyrics with complex but catchy arrangements. He never sounds as freewheeling, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

the Aluminum Group doesn't count because Steely Dan were good.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

Boo to you, Matos.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

Double boo.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Friday, 13 February 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago) link


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