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It beats the shit out of me why these titans are so little appreciated by the world at large. Yer all bastards!

Was looking through my rekkids at the weekend and pulled out the sleeve for Half Machine. Love the way they've created that strange vision of the future with so little resources. Had never really noticed that gangster movie going on in that shot before.

Any of those Creed solo recs any good?

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)

And I'm asking that cos they're the only Chrome-related product that I ever seem to come across these days...

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

the vocals on 3rd are goofy, yeah, but I can get with them. Something like "Shadows of a Thousand Years" with those silly would-be SCARY horror-soundtrack backing vox, good fun. "Armageddon" is a masterpiece.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the Helios solo stuff that I've heard. I think I have two or three of them. Superior Catholic Finger for sure, that one rips. Also his guest spot on Skin Yard's Fist Sized Chunks is totally awesome. I must be the only Skin Yard fan on ILM, i'm not necessarily proud of this or anything, but I think they were a decent rock band.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 08:59 (twenty-one years ago)

they should dynamite mount rushmore and replace that bullshit with helios creed and damon edge.

John was the only one with any "experience" having performed with the Flower Travellin' Band, an early '70s Japanese psychedelic group.

whaaaaaa...?!

let's hear some LOVE for "the visitation," come on!

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

aw come on mully! haven't you ever shot yourself in the head before?

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

(Stormy, Skin Yard fucking rule! Well, that first album anyhow! What is it - Hallowed Ground. Yeah that one! The one with 'Open Fist' on it. Was never sure about Chunks and I picked up a few 7"s after that but they weren't all that. Never really thought about it, but I guess Endino copped a few moves from Creed. There's a real alien atmosphere on that first album. This cold blood-sucking sound. Nice band!)

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

man, now i'm all about buying those $1 skin yard cds i keep seeing...

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't know a thing about the last dozen albums, but if you see Hallowed Ground - dive right in!

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it's weird -- all those Seattle dudes were into Chrome! I swear the first time I ever heard of Chrome was reading some fanzine interview with Soundgarden where they namechecked Chrome as an influence. And then of course Helios did the Sub Pop single and ended up on AmRep. And he was on that Skin Yard record. And then fuckin PRONG covered "3rd From the Sun"! They were weirdly the hip band du jour of the late-80s. They need a revival right now.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i do like Hallowed Ground. I'd say the first three Skin Yard albums are worth it: S/T, Hallowed Ground, Fist Sized Chunks. After that it kinda sucked. And yeah Endino was a definite Creed fan.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't fergit that Jesus Lizard did that Chrome covers 7" too!

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

milton i only ever heard half machine etc back when i was a kid and it seemed a thin lethargic beast.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I've "only" got / heard the Chrome Box - but that's definitely a classic. Don't think I've heard any of the later stuff without Damon Edge.

Surprised to see no contributions from NYC so far - Alex has just got to love this lot, hasn't he?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

it seemed a thin lethargic beast.

wow. what were you listening to at the time?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:21 (twenty-one years ago)

well... for me, they were on Ralph and that was enough...

but the deal was settled on 'alien soundtracks', total cassette pause cut-up garage faust, about four minutes into 'pygmies in zee dark' where the song hollows out and suddenly it flips into this mutant lurch with a burning braindead guitar riff, and then that's followed up _instantly_ with 'slip it to the android'... it's just fuck yeah

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno. maybe i'm wrong. lots of people on this thread whose taste i can usually get with. haven't heard it for 20 years but i don't often revise positions. dull rhythmically. texturally ambitious without any real feel or invention. clod sci fi.

at the time i was probably listening to...parliament? cab.vol?

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)

not a fan of head wounds / nitrous? (neither am I technically, but I like music)

throwing 'slip it to the android' on your mix CD

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I the only one with a copy of The Visitation?
It's got a really nasty reputation. I like it a lot, though.

Trip Maker (Sean Witzman), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

you aren't (see my post upthread). i feel like if it had been released under another name it probably would've been more popular, though probably with a different crowd.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, cool. I missed that.
I found it at a St Louis record shop.
The guitar leads are so Quicksilver, or something. Really "Acid Rock."
It sounds more like Debris than the Creed-era stuff. I love "Static Disposal."

Trip Maker (Sean Witzman), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Well this is a coincidence, I'm listening to 3rd from the Sun at the moment and did a search for Chrome and you were talking about them yesterday!

Anyway, Half Machine Lip Moves & Alien Soundtracks totally classic. 3rd from the Sun isn't quite up there but I've enjoyed it so far.

Maybe I'll go look for Helios Creed stuff on Slsk later, never heard any.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

chrome totally pwns. arty, but still feral and vicious and garage-y. and also, great metallic, motorik-influenced drums. sonically, one of my recent favorites, and no songwriting slouches.

this is based solely on half machine lip moves/alien sdtrks. is this 3rd from the sun album worth it?

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoa, I totally missed this thread revival. Great band, of course, I have a slew of reviews up at the AMG. Do not under any circumstances listen to the post-Creed Chrome like Eternity or Live in Europe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

george smith on chrome, budgie, and guru guru:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0032,tracker_writer.inc,16664,.html

chuck, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say 3rd From The Sun is worth getting, but I haven't got as far as listening to The Visitation, Red Exposure or Blood On The Moon yet so maybe those are better to get first. I have all of them on mp3 so I'm listening to them all this week at work.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I must be the only Skin Yard fan on ILM, i'm not necessarily proud of this or anything, but I think they were a decent rock band.
-- Stormy Davis

Hey, I used to own that Skin Yard debut on C/Z! It was during that brief post-Bleach/pre-Nevermind period when I bought just about ANYTHING Sub Pop-related. But I didn't play the Skin Yard much and eventually sold it. Then I found the CD used and reacquired it, only to find that the instrumental cut (my favourite) was now minus the saxophone track - WTF?!

Oh, and CLASSIC, obviously! Alien Soundtracks/Half Machine Lip Moves is truly fucked up.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Back in the 80s, my BASF Chrome tapes sounded a lot better than the other ones. So classic.

Or, did I misunderstand? ;)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Chrome were awesome, and the records have dated well. If they'd been Japanese, Helios Creed would be the toast of noise festivals across Europe. Saw him live in a tiny club in Edinburgh in the nineties, and he was amazing.

ILM patrons may be interested to know that David Tibet wants your Chrome rarities NOW - see the Durtro site for details.

Soukesian, Wednesday, 9 March 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

ILM patrons may be interested to know that David Tibet wants your Chrome rarities NOW - see the Durtro site for details.

ugh. wish i could just post my whim of the day on a website and have people send me cds and lps by the ton.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 10 March 2005 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

At one point between songs, H starting saying something to the audience. We had fucked with the sound so much that he sounded like a mumbling obese dwarf on helium falling down a pit filled with roofing tar. I killed the effects so you could hear what he was saying and he looked up at me and said, "Hey man! Waderya doin?!" so I put the juice back on and he was happy again. I learned my lesson."

hahahaha. i first heard helios thru the amrep label, and the record i owned had singing along the lines of the above description. had a very "wtf?" vibe to it.

eman (eman), Thursday, 10 March 2005 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

RED EXPOSURE! V underrated, a nice Epiphany backpage thing in some Wire from last year or so aside. Gaz I really think you should give "Half Machine" another go, it seems like something you'd like, I was REALLY surprised to see you call them a dud. There isn't all that much below the texture tho, true. Some killer riffs, however. Killer, dude.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 10 March 2005 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I already said I liked RE, so I guess I rate it Ok too. Everyone must hear "TV As Eyes" at some point in their lives!

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 10 March 2005 06:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Totally, absolutely, fantastically classic
The best American band ever - well, almost.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 10 March 2005 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i sold it years ago Andrew :(

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 10 March 2005 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

If you can't find the Chrome Box or a cd of Alien Soundtracks/HMLM, a decent substitute would be Cleopatra Records' two-disc set "Chrome Flashback/Chrome Live + The Best Of". The 1998 tour referenced above is documented on the second disc, which starts off with a long and LOUD version of "New Age" and includes such faves as "March of the Chrome Police" ("a cold, clammy bombing...") and "Abstract Nympho" ("I want you to be my dog"), plus "Meet Me in the Subway" (even though it's not on the track listing), "Armageddon" and "Firebomb".

The first disc (best of) starts out with five great cuts from HMLM, but they are edited terribly. They add "Danger Zone" from the 12" single (1981); "Isolation" from Red Exposure; "The Need" and "Brain Scan" from Blood on the Moon; "Shadows of a Thousand Years" and "Future Ghosts" from 3rd from the Sun; plus "Gehenna Lion" and the great single "Anorexic Sacrifice".

As far as The Visitation, I am still fond of the phaser-drenched instrumental waltz, "Nova Feedback". But Alien Soundtracks was a HUGE step forward... or s'ways.

If you were listening to Cabaret Voltaire back then, you could have put "Nag Nag Nag" on a mix tape with Half Machine Lip Moves!

Jon Hope (jarge), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops, "Nova Feedback" was on Alien Soundtracks, not the Visitation.

I think the songs on the Visitation were initially recorded as a porno movie soundtrack (no joke!)

Jon Hope (jarge), Thursday, 10 March 2005 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Chrome is cool! Some of their songs are actually catchy like "firebomb' or "tv as eyes." Like them a lot, at least 3rd from the Sun and Alien soundtracks/HMLM (only 2 I have now). I also got that Cleopatra "best of' and ot rid of it though- those H. Creed live tracks were so plodding and soundalike, I couldn't stand them, none of the fucked up tape cutups & synthesizer shit- it was all droning guitar.

-rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Friday, 11 March 2005 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

how is liquid forest and no humans allowed?

creme1, Monday, 9 July 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

anyone?

creme1, Monday, 9 July 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

No Humans rules.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 July 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

I really prefer contemporaries like VON LMO, the Twinkeyz, and Todd Tamanend Clark.

Tim Ellison, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

(sorry, not to those records but to Chrome in general)

Tim Ellison, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

I love Chrome

admrl, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

we are familiar with your wrongness on this issue, tim.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 02:57 (eighteen years ago)

and your defensiveness!

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 02:58 (eighteen years ago)

Pere Ubu > Chrome > Debris > MX-80 Sound > Twinkeez > VON LMO > Todd Tamanend Clark

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 03:12 (eighteen years ago)

VON LMO > Todd Tamanend Clark > Twinkeyz > Pere Ubu > Debris > MX-80 Sound = Chrome

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 03:16 (eighteen years ago)

I cannot get behind that theory there, and I own and like the Twinkeyz LP. But I haven't heard the Clark CD.

No Humans Allowed is a patchwork LP that includes most of the Read Only Memory EP, a 12" from a year or two later, and (I think) a B-side from a single. All of it is stun-tastically great scifi heavy metal riffage. The 12" ("Dangerzone" and "In A Dream") is a particular favorite of mine.

sleeve, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 03:19 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

I love all these artists, but Chrome will always have a special place in my heart. I just found out the new Noiseville re-releases of "Alien Soundtracks" and "Half Machine Lip Moves" and couldn't help to buy them again.

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:29 (eighteen years ago)

Great! Only about seven months late, with nothing shipped to those of us who had pre-ordered it through pledge music.com.

Very Gelb; thanks for asking. (fake penthouse letters mcgee), Saturday, 26 October 2013 15:31 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

OK I am one and a half tracks in and this is amazing.

sleeve, Thursday, 12 December 2013 02:34 (twelve years ago)

I finally got my CD today (even though I had the digital files some time ago).

The shit that Damon and Helios left on the cutting room floor a quarter century ago sounds more vibrant and relevant than most contemporary releases.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 12 December 2013 02:50 (twelve years ago)

yep

track five, still amazing

sleeve, Thursday, 12 December 2013 02:52 (twelve years ago)

where is Milton, he needs to hear this

sleeve, Thursday, 12 December 2013 19:08 (twelve years ago)

this is excellent and all on youtube for anyone curious.

fit and working again, Thursday, 12 December 2013 19:14 (twelve years ago)

this might be my AOTY

sleeve, Thursday, 12 December 2013 19:34 (twelve years ago)

have played it a few times since I got a copy. sound is exactly halfway between the 70's rock of The Visitation and the complete acid meltdown of Alien Soundtracks. nowhere as weird or finessed as the latter just yet, so you can see why these got left behind -- plays through a little more like an archive than an album, but track by track these are definitely not outtakes

cd packaging is AUTHENTIC

Milton Parker, Thursday, 12 December 2013 19:54 (twelve years ago)

hmm I was getting serious hits of Red Exposure on my first listen, but there were some pretty weird diversions and I only got to track 6 or so

re CD packaging, I shook my head with a mixture of admiration and horror

sleeve, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:03 (twelve years ago)

and yes these are missing the freaky chaos tape splicing vibe, but everything has THAT SOUND, drums sound amazing on this

sleeve, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:04 (twelve years ago)

My appreciation of Chrome really does come down to THAT SOUND.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:15 (twelve years ago)

awesome stuff, especially THAT SOUND - such an awesome track

nostormo, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:43 (twelve years ago)

fuck you

sleeve, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:44 (twelve years ago)

"he shit that Damon and Helios left on the cutting room floor a quarter century ago sounds more vibrant and relevant than most contemporary releases."

sad but true

nostormo, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:44 (twelve years ago)

humorless
xpost?

nostormo, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:49 (twelve years ago)

that came off as mocking, not a joke - apologies if I misread you

have you heard this? do you have any further input or are you just gonna start another poll?

sleeve, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:53 (twelve years ago)

i think i'll start another poll

nostormo, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:54 (twelve years ago)

likes the sincere apology though

nostormo, Thursday, 12 December 2013 20:54 (twelve years ago)

six months pass...

Has anyone seen the current tour? I'm going tomorrow, might pick up the lost album at the gig, they also have a new one out called Feel It Like A Scientist - anyone heard that yet?

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 20 June 2014 08:18 (eleven years ago)

why aren't they playing SF?

akm, Friday, 20 June 2014 20:47 (eleven years ago)

Got the album but not yet given an ear. The cover art feels more Helios twenty years back than Chrome but hey.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 June 2014 21:13 (eleven years ago)

why aren't they playing SF?

Because no-one asked them to, I assume.

goth colouring book (anagram), Friday, 20 June 2014 21:28 (eleven years ago)

Yeah, I have the album too but haven't worked up the nerve to play it. I haven't really cared about much of anything Chrome- or Creed-related since Lactating Purple.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 20 June 2014 22:02 (eleven years ago)

Has anyone seen the current tour? I'm going tomorrow, might pick up the lost album at the gig, they also have a new one out called Feel It Like A Scientist - anyone heard that yet?

They were absolutely bloody deadly at Primavera last month, one of the highlights of the weekend by miles

bingo dabber acid, Saturday, 21 June 2014 00:27 (eleven years ago)

one month passes...

New album's pretty good. It helps to keep the original Chrome out of mind when listening to this, that sound's never going to be made again. I think it fits better next to stuff like Gary War, and I'm always open for more weirdo sounds.

Spectrum, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 17:07 (eleven years ago)

five months pass...

Always classic, more evil than anything black metal's managed to come up with so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LI1NgmdGg4

CoolRadio, Sunday, 4 January 2015 03:30 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9tX6bKI0WQ

this song kicks ass. wish more bands went down this territory. i mean, with the whole "lol occult" trend over the past few years, i don't see how bands wouldn't want to cop this shit. alas, there's only one Chrome.

CoolRadio, Sunday, 4 January 2015 03:52 (eleven years ago)

six months pass...

Does anyone know why if I open Chrome and a pair of tabs, then check Task Manager, there are half a dozen instances of it running?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 15:23 (ten years ago)

Hah oh wrong thread.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 15:24 (ten years ago)

"Dozen Tabs Running" was a Helios Creed b-side, not Chrome, IIRC.

juggulo for the complete klvtz (bendy), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:55 (ten years ago)

LOL tabs and Chrome seem to belong together.

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:57 (ten years ago)

was gonna say

sleeve, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:58 (ten years ago)

three months pass...

Apologies for consumerist query, but has anyone seen/heard Cleopatra's 7LP Chrome Box reissue from last year? I haven't been able to dig up any information beyond what the label says about it.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 03:21 (ten years ago)

two years pass...

Chrome US tour from mid-May to mid-June.

http://scontent.fphl2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30531552_10160536427735227_7728194264991006720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=30584895122caff4353caaaff2eeecc0&oe=5B29588C

Barring hell or high water, I shall be at the Philly date.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 9 April 2018 22:02 (eight years ago)

one year passes...

this band is good

budo jeru, Monday, 22 July 2019 17:18 (six years ago)

Just remembered I was going to look up a Chrome thread and mention that the Stench brothers played with Jorma Kaukonen in his late 70s solo band which I only found out from reading his memoir.
Haven't heard what they sound like with him yet though.

Stevolende, Monday, 22 July 2019 22:52 (six years ago)

two months pass...

I want to know more about the circumstances of John Lambdin playing with Flower Travellin' Band before Chrome (see top of thread). I love that there's a connection.

Thank You (Fattekin Mice Elf Control Again) (Noel Emits), Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:14 (six years ago)


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