99% of indie pop is good- you just havent heard most of it yet

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Buy no records and listen to nothing!! It's the best of all by far!!

mark s, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nine months pass...
The recent indiepop love over at Pitchfork (1st a glowing review of the Boyracer album and now the Aisler's Set - what happened to the days when Brent D took every available opportunity to bash Wolfie?) made me want to start a new thread, but then I decided that I'd attempt to revive an old one instead?

Are there any other recent indiepop albums to get excited about? I love both the Aisler's Set and Boyracer records (the Boyracer would have made my year end list if it wasn't for the fact that I was convinced at the time that a record with that many covers on it couldn't be great - I was in denial). That said, I have no clue what else, if anything (as suggested in the 'racer review) is worth seeking out.

Also, since the indiest of indies has said it's OK to like indiepop, I think it's time for everyone to step up and profess their love.

Those who do not respond hate fun.

Miranda, Friday, 21 February 2003 22:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Methinks there are some questions in that post that aren't questions and some statements that are. Oh well.

Miranda, Friday, 21 February 2003 22:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I meant everything I said in that review about indiepop as a concept having gone sort of unfortunately up its own ass, though I know there are others here -- Mr. Grayson Lane, Marianna Maclean -- who are still paying close attention and finding things they like. Boyracer are still banging around a different era and concept of how this stuff works, a model that maybe has more to do with early Wedding Present than the ultra-slick ultra-rudimentary Spanish pop we're getting now. That Moshi Moshi comp had some wonderful things on it but the end message I took was "you no longer need to pay much attention to this stuff."

It's mostly standouts and things around the fringes that get me now, non-indiepop bands in the indiepop world: the Chicago expatriate axis, which I keep trying to track down (Toulouse, I think, are particularly fantastic), some of the indie-synth-pop stuff (My Favorite, Figurine, etc.).

I loved Wolfie like I love my own mother.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:40 (twenty-three years ago)

hey, I've ALWAYS been an avowed indiepop fan, regardless of whether it's currently trendy or not. Right, Marianna? ;)

mike a (mike a), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Juniper Moon - El Resto De Mi Vida
Sinking Ships - Out of Key Harmony

jel -- (jel), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha, actually I think Marianna influenced that review quite strongly, having been the first devoted indiepop fan I've encountered who was willing to agree to the obvious: that indiepop kids are tight-knit and self-congratulatory and not very critical. This is a great thing compared to crossed-arm hipster sneering but not always good for the music.

(Re: Pitchfork -- I've been thinking over there that when indie rock enters a strongly "rock" phase, as it is now with post-punk grottiness, indiepop becomes more important. This is one reason I was very happy to big up Boyracer, who in my opinion have just made one of their first full recordings that people outside of the genre can prima facia love. Also the Marine Girls cover is ridiculously good.)

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)

casiotone for the painfully alone!!!!

THEY CARRY IT AT FORCED EXPOSURE!!!!

(also: rocketship, rocketship, rocketship)

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)

oh and I like the one Black Tambourine song I downloaded, but they are from ages ago I think.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

(A Certain Smile... is surely one of the genre's top ten. Is Dustin still doing anything, though? The Garden of Delights thing was a bit of a throw-away, and while I don't really check Indiepop Network News each morning I haven't heard about anything in progress.)

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, yeah. All the people I know love indiepop are posting, but I want to see some love from those who haven't yet professed it. And does anybody else think that most bands within "the scene" kind of lost the thread. I lost interest when all of the Belle and Sebastian worship started (much as I love B&S). Seemed like a lot of the heart went out of it because everyone decided they needed to sound fey and pretty, but maybe I'm just not paying attention. I want to start paying attention again.

I'm playing Wolfie now. Makes me want to jump up and down on my bed. (damn you, low celings!)

Finally, I'm going to check out the jel recommendations. The Poison love baffles me and intrigues me and makes me want to hear everything else suggested.

Too many people posted before my finally. The world needs another Rocketship record!

Miranda, Friday, 21 February 2003 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Figurine and Freezepop, I like them.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Indiepop is either great or awful with me. Love Poundsign, hate Masters of the Hemisphere; Love the Softies, hate Trembling Blue Stars; love Red Sleeping Beauty (favorite indiepop group ever), hate Orange Cake Mix.

Aaron A., Friday, 21 February 2003 22:58 (twenty-three years ago)

and finally, from last year I liked "spring came, rain fell" by Club 8.

ESOJ, have you heard of Sarah Sarah? Are they any good?

jel -- (jel), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, Miranda, I think some of the organization of the scene creates this big fence between the people on the inside ("kittens!") and the people on the outside ("kittens??"), when there's really no division at all: most people who didn't already have some preconceived idea of what "indiepop" was all about would listen to Boyracer or the Aislers set and just hear particularly hook-oriented rock records. Which side of the fence you get put on seems to have more to do with your approach to the industry and the company you keep than anything about the music itself (cf, umm, indie).

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 21 February 2003 22:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Possibly obtuse questions: So do you think anyone is going to email Stewart and pick up the Boyracer record based on your review? Does the fact that you pretty much have to email Stewart or go to one of the mailorders that specializes in the stuff to get the record make the scene mostly impenetrable?

Also, I like the idea of "kittens!" but I don't like kittens in reality. Does this have anything to do with my relationship with indiepop?

Miranda (Miranda), Friday, 21 February 2003 23:09 (twenty-three years ago)

The mail-order thing and dearth of store-stocking is definitely an issue for the scene: accessing it requires conversion to this whole new model of relating to the artists. This is part of what I meant in the review about its being a great experiment in "indie" models of artist/listener relationships -- just as young top 40 fans have to discover all these new routes to being involved in indie music, even today's indie fans would need to dig in and shift gears to get to this stuff. (And just like regular old indie when a lot of that stuff had to be mail ordered, the division winds up affecting the content and the nature of the music itself.)

That's not really an answer, I guess. I was trying to write to people who don't care about indiepop, in order to offer them some interesting new things to look into. A lot of people read Pitchfork, so I imagine a few of them will figure out how to order it. Plenty of them will find at least one copy in their local stores; maybe enough others will ask about it to get more store buyers to try and order copies. But yeah, a lot of them will just go through the next few years thinking "Boyracer ... I think I read a positive review once, but I've never seen their records anywhere."

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 21 February 2003 23:28 (twenty-three years ago)

(This will all change when I start my worldwide chain of electro / twee / OuLiPo literature / sneakers / Ethiopian food outlets and boutiques.)

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 21 February 2003 23:32 (twenty-three years ago)


555 records are easily obtainable. sure, i can't buy one at a 7-11 or wal-mart, but...

spam to thread!

http://www.pataphysics-lab.com/cgi-bin/cart.cgi?item_id=512&action=showitem

m.

msp, Saturday, 22 February 2003 00:04 (twenty-three years ago)

555 records are easily obtainable...so buy them all (even that Cex ep).

Miranda (Miranda), Saturday, 22 February 2003 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)

The 555 compilations are superb (excepting maybe that one w/ all the remixes, and even that's pretty damn good), and paints as open-minded a picture of what indiepop is & could be as those oh-so-seminal collections from Sarah Records did back in zee day. I'm supergeeked about the newest comp, because it contains FIFTY FIVE songs (not counting the bonus disc w/ about 20 extra tracks).

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 22 February 2003 00:38 (twenty-three years ago)

(nabiso: w/r/t rocketship: they were reuniting every year for the annual popfest festival that happens in SF but i haven't gone in a few years.)

gygax!, Saturday, 22 February 2003 01:57 (twenty-three years ago)

drive-in claims they will be releasing several projects by rocketship this year. there is also a rocketship/trace split cd that omnibus records claims to be releasing soon.

the boyracer album is just wonderful, something about the speed at which stewart strums his guitar is thrilling to no end. and the aislers set album is just incredible, amy linton is the smartest pop chick(oh no i said pop) on the block.

keith (keithmcl), Saturday, 22 February 2003 02:47 (twenty-three years ago)

"I have heard some positive things about Florian and a few other Swedish bands"

Well i like FLorian a lot have done it for a few years now...

Jens (brighter), Saturday, 22 February 2003 10:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(Special note to all those who saw the "comment on this band biography" thread where I said that indiepop is inextricably linked with the word "brighter": show all details on last post!)

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I am currently satiating my indiepop needs with Birdie and the Go-Betweens new ones (and My Favorite "Burning Hearts")

The number one band in the indiepop list poll this year was the Funday Mornings, so me and a few others i know scrabled around to find their records. As Pete H. says on twee.net it's straightforward Fat Tulips esqe fun pop, and it's OK, but it's not mind boggling good. So I'm still waiting for a best new band to come along. And I've been signing on to the tape-swaps just waiting for them to jump out at me.


marianna, Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Also Nitsuh, as your boyracer review was posted to the i-pop list, the ilxor.com board was mentioned, so maybe that'll get some good indiepop love flowing.

Marianna, Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

erm...no (this to the orig q).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 22 February 2003 21:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Julio, unless you want throngs of angry indiepopers besmirching your freejazz threads w/ claims of "OH GOD THIS SUCKS FUCKING ASS", I recommend not poking a sleeping bear, no matter how cute & cuddly it seems.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 22 February 2003 21:53 (twenty-three years ago)

jel, how did you hear about Sarah Sarah? um, i haven't heard them yet and i can't say i'm all that keen to..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 23 February 2003 04:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(and My Favorite "Burning Hearts")

*drools* what an amazing song that is

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 23 February 2003 04:01 (twenty-three years ago)

julio is right, because no matter what sort of music it is, it is impossible that 99% of it could be good -- it dont matter if its free jazz, indie pop or whatever.

jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 23 February 2003 04:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I just started listening to Blueboy, and am so very very happy for it.

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 23 February 2003 07:49 (twenty-three years ago)

jim, they were in an online catalog, and I just saw that they were from Melbourne. And they have songs called Dawsons Creek and Together Forever (which I'm supposing is a cover of the Kylie and Jason song).

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 23 February 2003 10:39 (twenty-three years ago)

''Julio, unless you want throngs of angry indiepopers besmirching your freejazz threads w/ claims of "OH GOD THIS SUCKS FUCKING ASS", I recommend not poking a sleeping bear, no matter how cute & cuddly it seems.''

I do not care if braindead indiepop fans do that david (free jazz threads only ever get 5-20 replies anyway). I have heard indiepop and most of it has nothing going for it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 23 February 2003 11:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I do think that indiepop kids are very uncritical and everybody goes around saying everything is good. I don't want to waste my time or money on anything that's less than good, so I want to know what's GREAT.

Doesn't that approach kind of miss the point? I should really stay out of this.

-fh

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 23 February 2003 11:19 (twenty-three years ago)

"The number one band in the indiepop list poll this year was the Funday Mornings" >

I arranged their first live show, they are really nice 15 year olds
you can get their 7" from www.benno.com or maybe www.normanrecords.com
or maybe www.roughtrade.com

You´ll like it if you like the likes of Fat tulips, Talulah gosh, Twa toots...

Jens (brighter), Sunday, 23 February 2003 11:47 (twenty-three years ago)

jel, my understanding of S/S is that they have stupid lyrics and want to be The Salteens. but as i said i haven't heard them and could be wrong.

(Plus i know one of their members so I'm loath to do my usual sight-unseen slagging)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 23 February 2003 22:46 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
Camera Obscura's "Underachievers Please Try Harder" stands up well to repeated listens.

I am curious about the Baskervilles.

It has been a quiet start of 2004 for indiepop.

marianna, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Mascott's "Dreamer's Book" is pretty great.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i know it was march 2003, but Saturday Looks Good to Me "All Your Summer Songs" I think maybe was one of my favorite albums of the year.

The Architecture in Helsinki album is coming out in Europe and USA in April. It's really nice.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I got the shins album, but that's like major label indie pop. Most of the indie pop I like is Spanish as I'm free from trite lyrics and tweeness this way, unless I learn Spanish, which is unlikey.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

after the belle&sebastian show in new york, these kids were handing out boxes and boxes of free baskervilles CDs but i think i left mine on the train, on purpose. are they supposed to be good?

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm seeing this band tonight called Architecture in Helsinki that's supposed to be "good"... ???

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The Melbourne crew has talked about them a few times, as that is where they are from. They might well be 'good.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"have" fun... ???

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

It's really disturbing to read comments you've forgotten you made.

Dare, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

the baskervilles are great, kinda like a band that should have been in athens in 1983. they also remind me of the able tasmans though they don't sound anything like them, just that the piano is really prominent and the lyrics are smart little stories. they don't sound anything like belle and sebastian though everyone says they do, it's more like college rock/pop from the 80s.


the magic whispers cd is great, kinda like a modern update of hunky dory but with two girls singing. the pipas ep is fantastic. new brunettes album is out soon.

keith m (keithmcl), Thursday, 25 March 2004 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Fosca a great deal. Scarlet's Well is coming off pretty well, though I've always viewed Bid as slighly inconsistent.

And Orlando is hot, even though they are only a pretend indie band.

Luke Broster, Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:24 (twenty-two years ago)

new scarlet's well in a month or so. new clientele ep which i haven't got my hands on yet. dickon edward's involvement in scarlet's well worries me... he's ace, but you don't mess with perfection.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 25 March 2004 07:45 (twenty-two years ago)

lightheaded who I’ve chatted with and seen (because they opened for Heavenly, go figure)

Lightheaded are on before Heavenly next Saturday as well

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 10 July 2025 13:11 (ten months ago)

Yes! Heavenly invited them to open again, pretty huge honor in the indiepop universe

Evan, Thursday, 10 July 2025 13:17 (ten months ago)

I recently heard the latest from Horsegirl, and I had a flashback to every single time I turned on college radio in the '90s and hit someone's indiepop show.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 July 2025 12:53 (fifteen minutes ago)

It's fascinating how authentically 90s they sound, isn't it? A lot of the 90s indie rock pastiche usually sticks out as otherwise modern for some reason or another - not them!

Evan, Thursday, 10 July 2025 13:19 (ten months ago)

Similarly I've been going to see a band called Silk Cuts a fair bit, I really like them. They sound so much like bands from the 87-88 season that I realise it's ages since I've heard any other bands who really sound like that time, for good or ill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBZPy4Mxl-U

Tim, Thursday, 10 July 2025 13:26 (ten months ago)

Separately, just saw about this reissue

https://circuitryrecordings.bandcamp.com/album/lyceum

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 July 2025 13:50 bookmarkflaglink

The Orchids are playing the Friday night, hopefully they'll have copies with them because I need this

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 10 July 2025 13:30 (ten months ago)

Evan, you should put together a homemade box set of lost indie pop eventually, it would kick ass.

brimstead, Thursday, 10 July 2025 13:48 (ten months ago)

Thanks brimstead! Would love to... I am swimming around in the murky depths of the respective iceberg meme here. I've got deep cuts! Cloudberry-blog style digging and ravenous accumulating.

Evan, Thursday, 10 July 2025 14:01 (ten months ago)

Some things I've been digging:

-An unreleased tape of music from short-lived Harriet records artist Shy Camp
-Flexi by pre-Clinic project called Jellystone Park
-Any tracks I've been able to snatch by awesome mid-90s Czech band called Tom Is My Sugar (more rockin than pop)
-Flowchart related project and 7" under the name Heroine
-Expanded reissue of lost mysterious Sarah Records band Christine's Cat
-Like three completely different bands all called Slumber. All good!
-Recently released Autocollants rarities
-Expanded reissue of Brain - Understand, called "Understood"
-Peru comp on Jigsaw
-Album She by the band Flywheel
-Forgotten Magnetic Fields sounding music by Kitty Vermont, alias of the one and only Mark Proksch (yes, really)
-New (2024 - not 90s) EP by The Cat's Miaow called Let's Pretend That We Are Someone Else which is streaming only which is bizarre to me!
-Sukpatch - Lite Hits reissue by Concentric Circles!
-Open Mind demo tape
-Demo tape by pre Camera Obscura iteration of the band from when they called themselves "Coolport" when the guy from California Snow Story was in the band
-Summershine #1 7" called We're All Trying To Get There by Ripe

Shit this list is never going to end so I'm arbitrarily ending there for now.

Evan, Thursday, 10 July 2025 14:27 (ten months ago)

Have seen Lightheaded live several times and really enjoy them

bulb after bulb, Thursday, 10 July 2025 14:45 (ten months ago)

-Forgotten Magnetic Fields sounding music by Kitty Vermont, alias of the one and only Mark Proksch (yes, really)

!!! how did i not know about this!?!

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 10 July 2025 15:18 (ten months ago)

oh wow I have a Kitty Vermont 7" (split with Por Avion) and I had no idea

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 10 July 2025 15:45 (ten months ago)

bizarrely, a love affair with nature by the cannanes has been by far my most frequently uploaded album on slsk for months now
did a song on it go viral on TikTok or what

doe on a hill (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 10 July 2025 18:55 (ten months ago)

Huh that’s interesting! Probably? Autocollants had the same kinda phenomenon happen recently

Evan, Thursday, 10 July 2025 21:41 (ten months ago)

> Gentle Spring includes a Field Mouse

i was going to say that their name sounds like a mashup of two other Sarah bands

also Lyceum was, iirc, one of the first of the LTM Sarah reissues back in the day. not sure it got a vinyl release though but they did tack the early singles onto the end of the cd (which was handy as my copy of sarah 2 is rough)

oh,
https://www.discogs.com/release/567383-The-Orchids-Lyceum-Singles

20 tracks including first 3 singles and the caff 7", 2005, no vinyl

koogs, Friday, 11 July 2025 01:59 (ten months ago)

gentle spring also have releases on Skep Wax which is the Sarah band equivalent of Eastbourne

koogs, Friday, 11 July 2025 02:05 (ten months ago)

This cool tape comp comes with a download in the description!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVaMvkzzLY

Evan, Friday, 11 July 2025 02:56 (ten months ago)

This one's got a link too if you're like me and enough is never enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETX05SNHFSQ

Evan, Friday, 11 July 2025 02:59 (ten months ago)

gentle spring also have releases on Skep Wax which is the Sarah band equivalent of Eastbourne

so do all of the bands I listed fwiw, because the event I'm going to is Skep Wax Weekender

Colonel Poo, Friday, 11 July 2025 07:32 (ten months ago)

youtube recommendations on those tapes included The Corrupt Postman tape which i have a copy of around here somewhere and which i remember fondly. had a track by The Apple Moths who i remember liking and remember having exactly two tracks by, both on these these kind of tapes.

koogs, Friday, 11 July 2025 09:57 (ten months ago)

oh, there were actual releases, the latter only in 2017

https://www.discogs.com/artist/1084634-The-Apple-Moths

but listening again doesn't actually ring much in the way of bells.

koogs, Friday, 11 July 2025 10:00 (ten months ago)

Corrupt Postman is a great compilation, wish someone would reissue that

Colonel Poo, Friday, 11 July 2025 11:02 (ten months ago)

there was an archive.org link under the youtube video

koogs, Friday, 11 July 2025 11:46 (ten months ago)

Yeah Corrupt Postman is probably my favorite one! I mentioned reissuing it to the person who actually compiled it back in the day (name is escaping me) and he said it'd be a heckuva lot of work to get all the bands on board.

Apple Moths were fantastic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsRgdZN2KN8

Evan, Friday, 11 July 2025 13:44 (ten months ago)

And that song shows up on this particular comp (amongst others), which I also highly recommend:

https://archive.org/details/10IFellInLoveLastNight

Evan, Friday, 11 July 2025 13:54 (ten months ago)

Check this out too, whoever might care:

https://jigsawrecords.bandcamp.com/track/twisted-sister

Evan, Friday, 11 July 2025 17:16 (ten months ago)

Obsessed with this song

https://thetestoftime.bandcamp.com/track/girl-daredevil

Evan, Saturday, 12 July 2025 22:58 (ten months ago)

oh I have that 7"!

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Saturday, 12 July 2025 23:22 (ten months ago)

Haha me too.

Tim, Sunday, 13 July 2025 00:32 (ten months ago)

Because it's incredible!

Evan, Sunday, 13 July 2025 02:49 (ten months ago)

How about the other couple of tracks I'd posted above? Excuse my hunger for engagement, I get a little nuts about this stuff.

Evan, Sunday, 13 July 2025 02:52 (ten months ago)

I quite liked Panic Pocket tonight. Sassyhiya were more hit and miss. The Jeanines were very charmingly sloppy and I got their last album which I'm a big fan of, they have a new one out but I haven't heard it yet.

Tomorrow is Would-Be-Goods, Orchids, Swansea Sound so should be great

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 17 July 2025 22:52 (ten months ago)

four weeks pass...

I don't post on insta much anymore, and it didn't occur to me that I could just share the browser version (in my universe ilx is browser-internet, insta is app-internet) of my reel from a little while ago showing off my indie pop haul so far (at the time) this year.

https://www.instagram.com/wrongtube/reel/DJc3y_ettRo/

Evan, Friday, 15 August 2025 21:32 (nine months ago)

bloody hell, some of those must've cost a few $$$

I've got several of those records but missing a lot more

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 16 August 2025 10:49 (nine months ago)

Actually no… I didn’t pay more than $50 for any individual one, and only a small amount got as high as that limit. That’s mostly due to a hook up I have for the bulk of them.

Evan, Saturday, 16 August 2025 11:02 (nine months ago)

Extra special too because I’m in the states and many of these are mighty tough to find over here!

Evan, Saturday, 16 August 2025 11:03 (nine months ago)

super cool, i would listen to all these 7"s

brimstead, Saturday, 16 August 2025 15:06 (nine months ago)

Would host a listening party

Evan, Saturday, 16 August 2025 15:28 (nine months ago)


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