Actually, a few of the Blur-esque farting fairground type ones Charlie talks about were pretty piss poor.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)
83. "Innocent When You Dream" - Tom Waits
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)
81: Manic Depression - Jimi Hendrix
― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)
and Kanye has one, but I'm too lazy to check it right now
― dr. phil (josh langhoff), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― dr. phil (josh langhoff), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Super-Kate (kate), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)
It's three bars of 3/4 and one of 4/4 per verse, innit?
― Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)
71 - James Brown, "It's a Man's Man's Man's World"
― Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)
predictable enough?
― umop apisdn (umop apisdn), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― mms (mms), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)
Anyway, 56. A Minor Forest - ...But the Pants Stay On
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)
54. Eno - Back In Judy's Jungle
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Rush Rhees (Rush Rhees), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave q, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Atnevon (Atnevon), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nice Pete, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)
(...30. it should be, perhaps? for Alex fired in, attention span-lessly, Stranglers' "Golden Brown" that had already been mentioned upthread)
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 07:50 (twenty-two years ago)
29. Kantner/Slick/Freiberg, "Harp Tree Lament" (my favorite Robert Hunter lyric)
― Joseph McCombs, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huey (Huey), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)
One Crowded Hour by Augie March in, I think, 6/8. Magnificent song.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Thursday, 16 January 2020 09:22 (six years ago)
R.E.M. - Try Not to Breathe
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Thursday, 16 January 2020 14:28 (six years ago)
^^ so good
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 21:55 (six years ago)
Surprised no one mentioned “Take This Waltz” by Leonard Cohen. I also have a soft spot for Billy Joel’s “Piano Man”.
― o. nate, Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:05 (six years ago)
America by Simon and Garfunkel.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Friday, 17 January 2020 08:19 (six years ago)
Surprised no one mentioned “Take This Waltz” by Leonard Cohen
It was mentioned, in 2005
― van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 17 January 2020 08:31 (six years ago)
One, Two, Three and then a ROCK!!
― Mark G, Friday, 17 January 2020 12:23 (six years ago)
No mention of the Banshees' Melt, although it is more like 6/8
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:11 (six years ago)
Magazine, The Great Beautician in the Sky, verse sections are in 3/4, chorus in 4/4
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:15 (six years ago)
Isn’t the chorus of “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds “ also 4/4? Someone mentioned it up thread.
― o. nate, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:17 (six years ago)
Beatles - I, Me, Mine
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 18 January 2020 13:56 (six years ago)
Van Morrison - The Way Young Lovers Do (ok, prob 6/8 again)
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 18 January 2020 13:57 (six years ago)
"Has he got a friend for me"
― thomasintrouble, Saturday, 18 January 2020 16:08 (six years ago)
Donovan - "Catch the Wind". "Norwegian Wood" is probably the best but it was nominated in the second post.
"Piano Man" and "Try Not to Breathe" are in 12/8 imo.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 00:20 (six years ago)
Ha, online sheet music seems to transcribe "Piano Man" in either 3/4 or 6/8 so. I can see how 6/8 makes sense but the drum beat doesn't support counting it in 3/4 imo.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 00:27 (six years ago)
Thread title says waltz time. I'm using the more expansive definition of waltz time as any triple meter.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:12 (six years ago)
At least in standard classical theory, 6/8 = (compound) duple metre; 12/8 = (compound) quadruple metre.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:38 (six years ago)
I'm using the more expansive definition of triple meter as any meter with a waltz feel.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:43 (six years ago)
"Try Not to Breathe" (is) in 12/8 imo.This article on the song suggests it may actually be 6/8:
The waltzing instrumental returned for the 1992 demo and recording sessions for Automatic, some of which took place at Woodstock, N.Y.’s Bearsville Sound Studios. At that point, the song was nicknamed “6/8 Sailor” for its time signature, then was marked “Passion” when the final touches were added at Bad Animals in Seattle.Read More: Michael Stipe Explores Life’s Last Moments with ‘Try Not to Breathe’: The Story Behind Every ‘Automatic for the People' Song | https://diffuser.fm/rem-try-not-to-breathe/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:45 (six years ago)
(sorry, don’t know that extra junk came along with the paragraph I pasted.)
― stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:46 (six years ago)
I mean isn't "Norwegian Wood" more 6/8 too? I wouldn't be suprised if a lot of pop/rock songs with a waltz feel are 6/8 rather than 3/4.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:47 (six years ago)
Apparently the official sheet music of "Norwegian Wood" has 12/8, and "Piano Man"'s has 3/4. I rest my case!
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:54 (six years ago)
The beat and phrasing in "Try Not to Breathe" suggest groupings of 4 to me but duple vs quadruple can get blurry with pop music.
I agree that 6/8 works with the phrasing of "Norwegian Wood", and I'm pretty sure I've actually used it as an example of 6/8 previously. I think I would still object to identifying a waltz feel in anything with an obvious backbeat.
xp
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:55 (six years ago)
Where did you find the official sheet music?
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 02:58 (six years ago)
Well, just looking at the first page of the most reputable looking sheet music that came up on the first page of Google results, with official looking copyright etc. I admit this may not be the dispositive finding.
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:00 (six years ago)
Even the 'scores' that get registered with copyright offices are often after-the-fact, sometimes sketched-out transcriptions and are not necessarily dispositive tbh. The Donovan song is actually one of the only rock-era songs I can think of that feels to be inarguably in triple metre to me, not counting songs with 3/4 passages juxtaposed with other metres (Rush - Limelight, Sonic Youth - Pipeline/Kill Time). "Get to You" is mostly 5/4, surely, except for the bridge.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:08 (six years ago)
"Cloudbusting" another example of a song that moves between 4 and 3.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:09 (six years ago)
I just noticed that the Byrds song I nominated in the first post all those years ago is actually 5/4 much of the time, only moving to 3/4 in certain sections. LOL. (Arguably making it *more* noteworthy, but not so great as an opening post re 3/4.)
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:17 (six years ago)
Haha XP!!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:20 (six years ago)
xxxp I get you on the fuzziness of sheet music in this context. The canonical text for rock/pop is the recording, and different people can interpret it differently. Heck probably even different musicians who played on it interpreted it differently (such as the drummer vs the singer or guitarist).
― o. nate, Sunday, 19 January 2020 03:32 (six years ago)
yeah most triple meter rock songs are in 6/8 (or use a shuffle beat in 12/8 a la everybody wants to rule the world or never tear us apart). 3/4 time is less driving, it can feel a little stilted in a rock context. 6/8 swings, sounds great in power ballads (we are the champions, nothing else matters)
― culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:27 (six years ago)
actually never tear us apart is def 6/8 isn't it?
― culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:28 (six years ago)
I'd definitely say 12/8. The chords change once every twelve eighth notes (four beats), the melodic phrases are built around the 12 (or 4) groupings, the guitar plays at the beginning of each grouping of 12 when it enters.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:44 (six years ago)
When there is a standard rock backbeat that would be analysed as 4/4 at any other time, it generally seems most logical/natural to me to continue counting it as quadruple metre even if it is subdivided into triplets, so I tend to default to 12/8 in these situations unless there is a really compelling reason to count 6/8.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:49 (six years ago)
Neil Young's "Only Love Can Break Your Heart" feels like an actual triple metre to me: the drums are actually playing groups of 3, the chords change once every three beats. Agree with "Manic Depression" upthread as well.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 04:59 (six years ago)
The canonical text for rock/pop is the recording, and different people can interpret it differently. Heck probably even different musicians who played on it interpreted it differently (such as the drummer vs the singer or guitarist).
(I agree with this 100%, to be clear. Obv there are wrong interpretations but there can definitely be multiple credible interpretations.)
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 05:02 (six years ago)
"Cloudbusting" moves between 4/4 and 6/4, sorry. Remembered wrong.
― One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 January 2020 05:12 (six years ago)