Jay Z/ Nas and other hiphop throwdowns...resurrected. Part 4

also, I'm not saying not being grimy or so-called "real" makes 50 bad, The War Report is one of the most-overated "great" rap records imo.

Also, I haven't heard The War Report for years so I may be distorting what its really like....

i can see the love for Jay-Z a lot more (more evidently amusing, even witty, hollers better, sings even worse) - to give some perspective, but i used to prefer the former for the beats and shit - Jay-Z used to irritate the hell out of me (i didn't even like his skit on 'Crazy In love' at first), go figure - but give me some good Jay-Z album tracks as well, and remind me if 'Who U Wit' is good or not, and if you can where that wonderful backing sample/track to 'Girls Girls Girls' comes from

i've been thinking about actually listening to a full hip hop album for the first time in A LONG TIME lately too, so maybe give me some recommendations (bearing in mind my attitude to and taste in hip hop is pretty much in alignment with Nate's). in fact it's almost scary how few hip hop albums i've heard in full in the last ten years.

Take the risk, yo! The rhymes I was going to use has plain flown out of my head, though

However, I will stump for It Was Written any day! It's super underrated, I didn't think it was a disappointment at all, it just had the misfortune of coming after what, in my mind, is the best rap album ever made....Even though his best metaphor (I Gave You Power) on that album is a quasi-ripoff of Organized Konfusion's Stray Bullet which is better...

stevem, despite what most people will tell you, 'it was written' and 'god's son' are the best nas albums lyrcially, if you want hungry classic queens crack music then 'illmatic' is better but a bit too jazzy. i actually think 'lifestyles ov da poor and dangerous' has better mcing and better beats.

i think nas is better than jay z because i have a feeling i'd get on better with him in real life, i love jay z but i think he'd do my head in after while.

ok i have a question who is better proof vs royce the 5'9"?

But since we talking about 50, I gots to go with Chris Rock. All you hear about 50 is "he got shot 9 times!" hows the record? "HE GOT SHOT 9 TIMES!". Yeah some of the tracks are tight, but most of that is down to production, and yeah he puts down (a few) hot lines but it aint a great album. As for him being hardcore, well, the spits are hardcore, the way he does it aint. If you want hardcore, go with DMX.

But to leave on a high note, heres a little from my man Dizzee Rascal. 19 year old kid from London who just won the Mercury music prize which is a pretty big deal over here.

"more destructive and troublesome than ever/i'll PROBABLY be doing this PROBABLY forever/fellas wanna stop me they'll PROBABLY come together/its PROBABLE they'll stop me/PROBABLY - never"

I'm out like... part 1, part 2 and part 3...

Peace

his new single is a lot more fun if you imagine him yelling "I LOVE DIIICK" instead of the actual chorus. and the video supplants what is usually his overt homoeroticism with ALL OUT GAY PORN ORGY.

1) He basically (w/songs like Rikers Island, Streets of New York, and Talk Like Sex) was the first hardcore gangsta NYC MC.

2) His tragically underrated Live and Let Die (even though it supposedly got butchered in the final release thanx to Ice-T's cop killa) is really the first NYC record to incoporate some of the West Coast sound and gangsta attitude...Bascially, the same thing Biggie did with Ready to Die but 2 years before Biggie came out

3) His flow, voice, lyrics, everything are damn near perfect

http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/the_greatest/65574/episode_wildcard.jhtml?wildcard=/shows/dynamic/includes/wildcards/the_greatest/50hip_hop/1_50_aux.jhtml&event_id=864597

look for yourself....Salt n Pepa is in the top 10, that's all I'll say (and Arrested Development made the fucking list!)

50 Cent isn't trying to sound hard.

I love everything I've heard by Foxy (which is two songs, maybe).

You can't use "everybody" and ASSUME that they agree with you about me SUPPOSEDLY "lying." I haven't lied to you. Because I don't agree with your way of thinking, I must be "lying?" Goin down with the ship, huh? Because I don't agree with you? Because I like Ludacris or I'd listen to Timbaland before Memphis Bleek? That's lying? Because I don't allow you to use half of my sentences and leave out a crucial part? I'm lying? People with "common sense" can see I'm lying? How am I "lying?" What have I lied about? Are you saying I'm lying about my OWN opinion, an opinion about DA SOUTH I've stated and backed since my first post? What have I lied about? What, Qool, what?

EVERYBODY I know says Hey Ya has a point or they aren't sure. After I tell those that don't already know what ANDRE 3000 (THE FLIPPIN ARTIST HIMSELF) says it's about, they get it. You see, just because QOOLOUT says it ain't about nothin, doesn't mean anything. QOOLOUT is nobody. QOOLOUT can't tell ANDRE 3000 what's in his head or what was in his head when he wrote the song. QOOLOUT is wrong. QOOLOUT may not get it and QOOLOUT may try all types of angles, but QOOLOUT is no authority on a song he didn't even write. If ANDRE 3000 (THE FLIPPIN ARTIST HIMSELF) tells us the point, why would anybody care what QOOLOUT thinks?

Still avoiding the issue, eh? God is everywhere, true; so is He everywhere correctly calling out the details of an event? Where does this happen Qool? WHERE? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION, QOOLOUT? WHERE IS GOD PHYSICALLY CALLING EVERY DETAIL CORRECTLY? WHERE? WHERE? I didn't say He couldn't or He isn't everywhere! CAN YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION QOOLOUT? Your smokescreens are useless and your God example is stupid - and you know it. Down with the ship, indeed. WHERE'S YOUR SECOND EXAMPLE?! W-A-S-I-T-S-O-M-E-T-H-I-N-G-I-S-A-I-D?

Next, we do agree that YOU (and only YOU) believe I care about your opinion on my rap cred... lol

Next, you don't know how Jerry Jones runs his team so you are talking just to be talking. You can have the last word here, too, but only after we both agree that you are just running your mouth (yeah, I took yo statement - I can easily say the same thing to you, Foolout)...

Blah, blah, blah, I'm still cuttin Beyonce up LEGALLY while you're STILL debatin the merits of her words... MORON!

CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION, QOOLOUT? If a game has one bad call that "costs" Team A a TD at the beginning of the game, and Team B has a bad call "costs" them the game winning TD at the end of the game, WHO SHOULD GET THE WIN IN YOUR OPINION? Since you claim the one at the end is "worse" (when it's really just more memorable), does that mean that Team B "deserves" the win more than Team A, so the NFL should give it to Team B? Moving on (somewhat), why is it that you only care about the bad calls at the end of a game? What about teams that get bad calls in the first quarter? You said teams aren't out there to overcome bad calls; so just because they have three quarters to "overcome" it should be irrelevant. Right? And as far as your rambling on about the kneel down, I didn't say anything about what you thought it was when you were 6. I'm talking about what you just posted at age 24. You, at age 24, said (and I quote) "I think you should have to run or throw and risk losing the ball." That's what YOU said. At age 24. And you said this was related to making the NFL better. So I say, the ONLY reason a team would do something that flippin STUPID is to basically HAND the other team a chance to win. So I'm saying why should a team fight to get up and be able to win the game with a kneel down but have to run a "real" play and risk an unnecessary injury or fumble simply because the other team couldn't do their job? Or in other words, I disagree and I think it would be stupid.

"FYI, you can phone the Post and get old papers. Like if you want the paper that was released on 9-11, call em and get it. Thus, the articles are already done." - QS 1/26/04

Aiyo, check it, what the flying flikkerin fukk does articles written on 9-11 BY OTHER PEOPLE have to do with articles I'm trying to write for the Post? If I call up the Post trying to write articles, you won't find any by ME on 9-11! Thus, the articles are NOT written! Dumb a$$! And as far as Timbaland goes, he isn't asking people to pay him to make the product. The product is made first, then he asks to get paid. A better analogy would be The Post tellin everybody their newspaper sucks, but also trying to get subscriptions or having them on newsstands for $1. Nothin else to say man, your analogies suck!

I wasn't trying to prove a point about Cassidy/K. West. I just didn't want to assume you were talking about Kanye and then you try play like I'm putting words in your mouth. You know how you are. I mean, you asked when you said you liked him, but you never said you liked him. And I never said you did, so why you would ask that baffles me. So since THAT didn't make sense, I just wanted to be sure I didn't just assume what you meant without more clarification. Anyway, I've heard 3 songs with Kanye West. One was on BP2, one is Slow Jamz, and the other is Through The Wire. On all three I think his rhyming is suspect. However, I ain't gon hate and lie that he has had me rolling on two or three lines. The song I heard on BP2, he was wack. Through The Wire has a good beat, but I wasn't really impressed with his flow - mouth wired shut or not. But he did have me laugh about orderin pancakes and sippin the sizzerp and lookin like Emmit Till and the line in Slow Jamz about Michael Jackson. So I guess it took three songs to set my tune. But those few lines won't change it all by themselves.

Now you asked me to do this, so here you go...

"Anyway, I agree I was hating on the South, but that was because y'all was hating on the East..." - QS 12/5/01

"And if someone attacks a rapper or coast that I like, I'ma attack one of their rappers or their coast." QS 12/5/01

At the time, Best and Big J were postin wack South lyrics, so me and Bama fought back with wack East Coast lyrics. Then you jumped in misquotin every Southern rapper you could find. You said you were defending the East Coast from us, but why? We only posted against the East in OUR defense. You even said that East Coast had wack lyrics, too. So why did you feel the need to involve yourself by posting only bad Southern lyrics if you're neutral. Why not post both and say that bad lyrics are everywhere?

I'm out like bad Southern lyrics. Peace!

I started this thing and I'ma end it.

At first, I was just gonna leave this board and not post since it was just me and Qoolout anyway. But recently, I been thinkin, I just can't go out without saying my last lil bit. This probably won't ever get read, but I thought I'd drop this unappreciated masterpiece anyway, just to have closure. If this board or any other continuation gets hot again, it'll be without me. I'm never posting on ILxor.com again. If you want my opinion on anything, just email me. I'm through. I'm out. I'm done. But before I go...

I was wrong about Kanye West. He's flippin flames. As a pure rapper, he's good, but his production skills are exceptional. He's on Timbaland/Dre status as a producer. Except he can rap. He's hilarious. He hasn't shown if he has any versatility cause all his flows are comical and his metaphors are witty, but they seem to be more about laughs. I would assume he can battle but hasn't shown and can flow deep, but it's more of a stand up comedy deep than just a somber deep - like a Nas or Pac. As far as his album goes, it's flames. A 5 mic-er, in my opinion. Spaceship, School Spirit, and Get Em High are the best to me. Last Call is nice and it has Kanye explainin his rise to fame. The other tracks are pretty good, but the first four I mentioned are the standouts if you ask me. So I say, get the College Dropout. I'd say you should be able to find at least 6 songs you actively bump - unless you just are totally opposed to Kanye West. Still, I say buy it. Here's one classic line "I dropped outta school quick, I always had a PhD, a PRETTY HUGE DICK!" LMAO!

Since this is my final post, I gotta give props to Nchekwube. You are the funniest nigga I ain't never seen. I don't know if we ever met if you'd swing at me or ignore me or we'd be cool. But if I ever met your ass, I'd laugh for an hour straight. Swear to God. I'm sure you know you can flow. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You helped me step up my raps - no shame in admitting it. I feel like my weakest raps on here are better than 60% of the stuff out now simply because I knew if I brought some BS, I would get served. Of course, you may still say I suck. Whatever. I look back at the first board and our raps were miles behind what we did later. Some of them joints actually sucked. But both of our styles changed for the better. As a man, I can say you're nice and battlin you was the main reason I improved. And I see a great improvement in your style that I know I helped bring about, but if you say I had nothing to do with it, then I'll leave it at that. I don't know how seriously you take your mic skills, but I'd say you'd have a good chance of gettin a deal if you tried. On the real. That line about stepping into your office of rhymin so I can beat you with my suitcase would have been a good ass skit for a video. That line was hilarious. Also, you may want to think about comedy. Some of them posts had me CRYIN. "Ah, Robbie, that verse was mad tight, son......................... I'm lying" was hands down the funniest thing I ever saw on here. Classic. Classic. Other classics: "Unlinkable bars," that time you clowned me for pretendin to be you and Big J and askin for props - like I thought it was the tightest shit ever. HA HA HA! At the time, I thought it was, but now I look at it and shake my head and then LMAO... I know for a fact I wasn't the only one that found you funny. I have no reason to believe you ain't doin that engineerin thang, but if that don't work out, try spittin or comedy. lol I still don't agree with any of that Nas stuff - nor AZ, Cormega, Mobb Deep, and all your other rap points. I ain't dissin em, I just don't agree. But that's the truth so you can take this last post to the bank cause I'm out on this topic.

Qoolout may or may not care if I mention this, but oh well. I've met his non Madden playin ass now that I've moved to Virginia. I'm 10 minutes from DC now. Yup, H3K has left DA SOUTH but his heart's still there. But anyway, Qool talked all this nonsense about bein good at Madden, but he got served like that terrible movie. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to ball with him yet, but he better hope his hoop skills is better than his Madden skills. The funny thing about that is that we don't tell anyone we know how we really met - it sounds kind of fruity. For real, how would it sound if H*WOOD told his friend he first met 3:16 on the inet famo. So we say met hoopin, even though Qool has yet to get served. Even though we know what will soon happen. Qoolout was just as funny, but a lot of his humor wasn't as overt as Best. He also rhymed and battled tight, too. "I live in VA, dummy." Them flows was ill. But since I've met him, Best is still the funniest nigga I ain't seen. Them b-ball hoops rhymes was classic, too... if I ever blow up, I'll steal them. Nah, I'm just foolin... or am I...

H*WOOD, keep doin the DJ thang. I hope you make it... Steph, if you still spittin, go head with it... Faye, I don't even know what you do, but maybe Baron Davis will come around... Macka, you showed me that hip hop is alive and well. You knew hip hop like an American. That's an ignorant statement, but it's the only real way for me to show that I understand how credible a hip hop source you are. And don't stop spittin, Great Britain... Wiz - sorry I ain't put you in the 3rd post mention... lol I know you ain't mind, nigga! Dolo, hold it down at the corrections facility - if that's what you still be doin. If you feel the need to spit again, go back them Seriousness spits to get some inspiration... Kazper, hold it down in M-Town, North North, Orange Mound...

Anyway, to the rest of you cats, I gotta say that it was real. I ain't gonna front, this thread was a part of me for almost 3 years. Discussing my love of hip hop, sports, and battlin all of you has been a real highlight and it was nice to get some different views on all the issues we've discussed. And before I forget, when Wiz dissed me and said "these gays" that was the best diss on here out of all 4 boards. I got my ass murked on that one. But the best thing about it was that I totally didn't expect it. Best, Qool, maybe Dolo or Macka, but Wiz came out of nowhere (in my eyes) and said "You got served" like a B2K movie. That shit had me rollin. But still, everybody's called it quits, so H3K is out. And I ain't comin back like Jordan wavin the 4-5. Like I said, any of you can hit me on the email addy - even Best! lol

To anybody or anything I forgot, charge it to my head and not my heart...

"I'm Rick James, bitch!"

I'm out like me. Peace!

"you cannot even understand what the hell they saying all they rap about is shouty and girls with big butts" = exactly what white america said about ALL RAP when it was new = southern rap must be the BOMB if it's getting reactions like that

I suspect "jiggy"/"bling"/etc. has had its day as the primary hip-hop meme, and that conscious/whatever will rise, along with, interestingly enough, hardcore. This will happen because, oddly enough, both prize "authenticity."

-- Ess, Thursday, 11 September 2003 19:12 (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

Ess the seer

it's a beautiful thing.

-- HOOS is BACK steenaz (Hoosteen), Thursday, January 4, 2007 2:30 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

wtf is this

in a hoosteen state of mind

where is part 1?

oh wait is this it? Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?

Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs? Pt. 2: The Saga Continues.

(trying to find it to show someone)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YWYPaY5UUg

o_O

uh

Must be a friend of his.

important video

why is nas hanging jay-z
iRapMad 3 days ago

because he won the beef after he dropped ether
MCBobbyE in reply to iRapMad 3 days ago

"Since Jay-Z would really let us hang him, we made this"

this dude is creepy as fuck

Nas to be on CNN tomorrow morning for Soledad Obrien's Starting Point...
Nas to be a panelist on CNN tomorrow morning [6.13.12] for Soledad Obrien's Starting Point

Nas will get into all this tomorrow

rip jay z

I wanted to comment on the historical resonance of a bunch of white dudes making an animatronic image of a famous black dude that they could program to realistically struggle and twitch as they hang him from a gallows pole but the fact that this was all commissioned by another famous black dude is melting my mind.

also m@tt OTM

At what point do you think, "y'know what? I don't think I need this particular paycheck this bad"?

I think when you are watching the doc short played back and you realize you are the dude standing on the platform imitating the jerking movements of a black man struggling to keep from being lynched, you should have some regrets.

http://img.youtube.com/vi/1YWYPaY5UUg/0.jpg

g.o.a.t. eyes

omg :55

the salad days of Qoolout and Hillis 3000