― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
1. Manzarek's hippybabble testimonials (poor Kyle MacLachlan). 2. Oliver Stone (duh). 3. Val Kilmer, who should have retired after Top Secret.
Every now and then I'm reminded of their occasional greatness, but it was very occasional. He inspired Iggy, so perhaps that's the best thing about him.
So which stamp will it be, then? Fat Jim or Skinny Jim?
― Andy, Saturday, 19 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― cockney red, Sunday, 20 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Mike Hanley, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― JM, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― gareth, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Andy: Oh yes, Manzarek is one of the few people who still talks about the "The Sixties" as if it was some construct. Bleech.
Dud, on those lyrics alone. So insufferable and indulgent. Just dribble. "The Soft Parade" could be the most unintentionally hilarious song ever.
― scott p., Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Geoff, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Andrew L, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― tarden, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Jack Redelfs, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Omar, Monday, 24 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― ethan, Friday, 22 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
There are very few people in rock who can yell "C'mon" like Jim (hello Maggie M'Gill) - Iggy, Jagger, erm, that's it - and that spirit alone makes them instant classics. It's spine tingling when they hit the buttons right.
I can't listen to them all the time but when you put them on the stereo, OK, you gotta sit through the odd filler, but what about those classics huh? 'The End', 'LA Woman', 'Roadhouse Blues' 'Two Times', I mean if these songs can't excite you, you need to get your heart checked out.
What about 'Riders on the Storm' late at night and loud. Or 'When The Music's Over' driving through the dusk. Fuck's sake, if you like rock, you can't dislike these boys, they ARE rock, just like the Stones. If you can't get into it you need to go out this Friday, get fucked out of your brain on booze, down some mandrax, smoke some weed and hit the dancefloor in full leer, get thrown out and somehow end up in a cab with a bunch of randoms all dropping strong uppers which you stuff down your neck while screaming out the window and arrive at some dive-bar party where anything goes, play pool, smoke all night, dance on tables and laugh like tomorrow ain't coming, before leaving with a beautiful member of the opposite sex, or whatever sex turns you on that night, and get crazy under the stars, waking up with the sun in God know's where and slipping your sunglasses on to catch breakfast and conversation with your companion. Then go and listen to the Doors.
Rock in the soul - The Doors had it to the max. If you have even an ounce yourself - you can't fail to dig this shit. And that's not even taking in the phenomenal musicianship. Jesus fucking Christ, Manzarek is off the head - supreme skills, check the organ solo in 'Hyacinth House' - what?
Absolute fucking rock and roll classic. Hello.
― Roger Fascist, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Nevertheless, classic.
― dasda, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Roger Fascist, Tuesday, 30 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
[Hey, I romanticize (Sturm und Drang Romantic) the music that I love, music that affects me viscerally, too. So I'm also laughing at myself here.]
Roger, the Stones are NOT rock - as "proven" by dave q and mark s on this thread. Best not to get into your question, tho' or we'll be here all night.
(heh, ignore me I'm just shit- stirring having just read Dr.C's excellent rant on the ABBA thread)
― Jeff W, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Rock and Roll for me is the Doors, is the Stones. If it's not them, please tell me who it is because I want to hear them. See, I can take people dissing the Doors and the Stones, that's fine, but to say they don't rock, or to question their rock and roll pedigree is plain silly. Virtually everything percieved to be 'rock and roll' is prevalent and highly potent in the phenomena that was these two bands (the Stones have sucked for over two decades now).
I would go so far as to say The Doors and the Stones are intrinsic to our understanding, reception, reaction to and interpretation of 'rock and roll'. Jagger and Morrison inarguably set the mould for the 'rock star', (though of course, they were indebted to others).
― Roger Fascist, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ronan, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Certainly, I'm not sure that I suggested for one nanosecond that I wanted to rock in one way only. I think what I said was that the Stones and the Doors are rock and roll. Refute me.
Not that I particularly want another argument with you, but I was responding to that chap who said the Stones are not rock. I say they are. You say potato.
Finally, when you define rock as a "stupid 4 letter word," adding "there are better ways to talk about things" I'd like to ask to what ways you are referring.
What definition of rock are you alluding to here
Rock and Roll for me is the Doors, is the Stones. If it's not them, please tell me who it is because I want to hear them
This is great because you're so confident other people give a shit about "rock and roll" you actually think someone's going to go "NO NO MY FAVOURITE BAND ROCKS! I SWEAR THEY REALLY DO!". You say "rock and roll for me is the doors, is the stones" as if this automatically means they are good, as if the genre automatically means this, and most laughably as if everyone else here will think that too.
Look around, there aren't many here who wet themselves as much as you over "rock and roll" or the "rock star". Noone cares if you think the Stones and the Doors have an exclusive right to being able to "rock and roll" because noone really values that term anyway.
I'm sure you were responding to someone else, it's just so constantly tempting to take the piss out of your "rockers and ravers uniting" and "for me that's rock and roll" bullshit.
To address: "you're so confident other people give a shit about "rock and roll" you actually think someone's going to go "NO NO MY FAVOURITE BAND ROCKS! I SWEAR THEY REALLY DO!"
No, I'm the one who seems to give a shit - go all gushy and excited stroke vitriolic and then take all the shit. That I am confident people give a shit is not true - I know nothing of these boards or the regulars such as your good self. I am the paranoid new boy who gets ripped up because he gets all enthusiastic, and is considered a 'troll' (though I still have no idea what a troll is because no-one has explained).
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"You say "rock and roll for me is the doors, is the stones" as if this automatically means they are good"
Did I? I thought I defined the Stones and Doors as 'good' as you put it, in relation to my perceptions of rock and roll. I think what I was saying was The Stones and the Doors do 'rock and roll', according to my terms, better than most other bands I can think of. That those terms are rigid is an incorrect assumption on your part.
- "as if the genre automatically means this" means what???
"Look around, there aren't many here who wet themselves as much as you over "rock and roll" or the "rock star". Noone cares if you think the Stones and the Doors have an exclusive right to being able to "rock and roll" because noone really values that term anyway."
So what? Why do you presume that it matter whether no-one cares? And who said anything about 'exclusive rights'? That no-one really values the term rock and roll is not for you to say Ronan. Perhaps you are right though, and I am appreciating this type of music for all the wrong reasons... What are the right ones?
In closing, may I add that you are a capable sparring partner but assume too much Ronan. That I talk bullshit is certain, but in the terms that you suggest is equally as shit-filled.
I do not buy that for one second. Or even a quarter of a second.
Your story has become tiresome. Not to mention predictable.
― awag, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tom, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
1: It's true - I found these boards last week. How many times do I need to say it? What kind of a closed forum is this?
2: The story is tiresome because you lot keep necessitating its repetition. Strange that it is so hard to accept.
3: The predicatability I can do nothing about.
Now I finally understand where all this anti-Rockist sentiment comes from, Mr. Ewing. You're actually incapable of loving Der Rock Und Roll, and YOU'RE JEALOUS OF THE REST OF US!! :)
When you come visit NYC and/or Philly, I promise to teach you The Ways Of Rock. Maura will help, I'm sure.
― Dave M., Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I still like that new song but I honestly reckon "the ILM Mafia" ahem and their constant Primal Scream hatred will actually lessen my enjoyment of the new album, if I even buy it. It worked with Spiritualized Let It Come Down to the point where I can't tell if (a) I like it as a response to the dislike (b)I dislike it because of the criticism or (c)I dislike it (for my own reasons) but won't admit that to myself because it would be giving in to the criticism.
the reasons for you liking things are kind of superficial/cliched even...rock is a 'marketing' term designed by record companies to sell recs (oh yes, the m- word again). Genre words can give an idea abt instrumentation used but little else, it is very reductive.
the 'rock' word has gone through a lot since then, a lot of things have happened to that. I'd say the doors had a bit of 'psychedelia' in them too, the sound was kind of strange, for a start rock bands have a bass player and the doors didn't. Saying something is 'rock' (in this case anyway) just won't do.
I was kind of pissed off abt your comments on rock vs. rap thread as well...
― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But the fact is that your routine, as it were, seems to be dredging up old threads about classic bands, spouting some ill-considered and dare I say juvenile rhetoric about how they are awesome, and working down from there. Maybe you should sit back for a few days and read some old threads, as well as archived FT articles to get a handle on the general tone of the discussion before you post another rant. We do tend to get fairly agressive with each other on these boards, but watching you and Ronan go at it has put me off almost as much as the grand old days of Doompatrol (use the search engine if you really want to know).
The only thing I think might count as 'trolling' is calling yourself "Roger Fascist".
― o. nate, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Julio: can I state that to say my reasons for liking things are "kind of superficial/cliched even" is horrendous claptrap. My reasons are fundamental (to me, though clearky not to you). About that rock verses rap thread... yeah, sorry about that. I thought it was quite funny though. As for the marketing tripe, you are assuming too much. Rock and Roll is not just a musical style to me, it is an ethos. Yet you are right - continued use of the word in generic terms is reductive. I think the soul comments are related to how an individual views music on a fundamental level. That's a long story though...
Dave: Thank you for the guidance. I have been happily adding to old threads, sure, because I take an (dis)interest in these things. However I think my humour seems to have drifted way out to the leftfield on these boards and my failure to appreciate how fundamentally seriously the regulars seem to take posts here has been very much to my detriment. Ah, it's my way to be dismissive but by the same token, I love a fight. I had a look at the other threads and forums but the classics or duds is to me the most interesting - it seems to arouse such distaste in people.
Ronan: You seem to have a very big problem with me old chap. Still, the feeling is reciprocal so it's alright - I think you don't know what you're talking about too. You are too keen to wade in with the personal attacks though, you should spend less time focussing on what you think I am and more on dealing with what I am actually saying.
I also don't have a problem with revisiting classic old threads on a regular basis - it sure beats scrabbling around for the last few C/Ds or all that POO nonsense.
Wasn't Roger Fascist a Viz character, or is that irrelevant?
― Zanny G, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
well, why don't you expand on it because i'd like to know. I want to get to what people's reasoning here.
''As for the marketing tripe, you are assuming too much''
It's a genre name that doesn't tell us abt the diversity within that...what's so wrong about this?
''About that rock verses rap thread... yeah, sorry about that. I thought it was quite funny though.''
I thought it was kind of misinformed and kinda 'funny'.
― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Thursday, 15 May 2003 00:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 15 May 2003 00:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm not even going to bother to explain why, because I'm feeling lazy and there's no point; today's doofus hipsters have already made their Jim hatred well known.
Agree 100% with John B. as to which records are best. Funny the way their career arced like that.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 15 May 2003 02:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 15 May 2003 02:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
"And then...she tried the second bowl...and it was too cold...and then...she tried...the THIRD bowl...and then...she ate it all UPPPPPPPPPGGHHHH!!!!"
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 15 May 2003 02:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 15 May 2003 08:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
Interesting to check out like all these leftovers for a deep listener, but rare to have it be a real nugget I would figure at this point.
I kind of like listening to that American Prayer record or the two without Jimbo sometimes, as there is some really good 'music' there that might have taken step to the other side if liz' king would have still been around. Fatboy Slim found one hook in the debris.
― earlnash, Monday, 5 October 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link
the rework of Waiting For The Sun that whitehallunity made is soooooo good
― All cars are bad (Euler), Saturday, 17 October 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
Gave the 'Other Voices/Full Circle' another listen this morning in a mix. Casually listening to it, it hit me on how some tunes got a similar sound to "Loaded" VU. I had some old Flaming Lips, Grifters, Gallon Drunk in the same mix and the tunes fit better than you would think. The Lizard King-less Doors do kinda have sound that would fit with some 90s UK indie rock, especially hearing it side by side with an Inspiral Carpets track.
― earlnash, Sunday, 31 January 2021 17:27 (three years ago) link
my favorite sound is the guitar tone during krieger's big solo in "when the music's over"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 24 May 2021 13:22 (three years ago) link
cancel my subscription to the resurrection > the west is the best
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 24 May 2021 13:23 (three years ago) link
I think "When the Music's Over" is in every way an improvement over "The End", even though it may be the weakest song on Strange Days.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 24 May 2021 13:54 (three years ago) link
Never liked it tbh.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 24 May 2021 15:03 (three years ago) link
I like it but I prefer 'The End'.
― pomenitul, Monday, 24 May 2021 15:04 (three years ago) link
It just kind of chugs along for 11 minutes, at least "The End" has highs and lows.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 24 May 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link
uh may i refer again to krieger's solo
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 24 May 2021 15:22 (three years ago) link
Here's my ranking of Doors epics (original studio albums only, 5 minutes plus):
The Soft ParadeL. A WomanWhen the Music's OverRiders on the StormLight My FireThe End
I like or love the top three and am ambivalent about the bottom three.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 24 May 2021 17:08 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zzzt_r6wj8
― brimstead, Monday, 24 May 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
All I can stand.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 03:36 (two years ago) link
I like a lot of your picks but "LA Woman" and maybe "Riders on the Storm" are Top 10 for me
― Josefa, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 04:08 (two years ago) link
Also, "Whiskey Bar (Alabama Song)"--or is it vice-versa---I was in Alabama, wanted to get into whiskey, also bars, and it did get me into Brecht and Weill, also marxophones.
― dow, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 04:20 (two years ago) link
Five To One
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 04:33 (two years ago) link
Roadhouse Blues
― Josefa, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 04:36 (two years ago) link
Not To Touch The Earth is easily my #1
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 05:22 (two years ago) link
Love Me Two Times. When the Music's Over!
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 08:15 (two years ago) link
Nice to see their Forever Changes tribute "Wishful Sinful" get recognized."The Unknown Soldier" is also good, and reminds me of Simon and Garfunkel's "Fakin' It": both late 60s singles with a theatrical/dramatic interlude.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 13:55 (two years ago) link
la woman brings me so much joy i can't stand it. immediate mood lift
― marcos, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
off the top of my head the best doors songs are
la womanfive to onewhen the musics overriders on the stormbreak on through
i feel like there are more but maybe not? of the bands that are not very good they are truly one of the best
― marcos, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 17:43 (two years ago) link
is it bad that i like Peace Frog? i like Peace Frog
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link
I thought everybody liked Peace Frog?
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link
top 5 musical frog imo
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:40 (two years ago) link
Crazy doesn't get a look in.
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:44 (two years ago) link
Frog Chorus in the wings, croaking in vain.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link
mashup idea:
"(Peace) Froggy Went A-Courtin'"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 18:49 (two years ago) link
LMAO
I like "Peace Frog" too. Even though there's only a few cuts from Morrison Hotel that I kept in my library ("Peace Frog" being one), it's actually an okay album. Not a great one, but mostly listenable.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 20:50 (two years ago) link
Love Indian Summer and The Spy off Morrison Hotel.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link
I Can't See Your Face In My Mind
― J. Sam, Wednesday, 8 December 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link
“The Soft Parade” is the first disco song ever, specifically the “Peppermint miniskirts” bit. Loop that over and over again and you’ll be disco-dancing fool. CHANGE MY MIND.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 9 December 2021 18:28 (two years ago) link
my issues with this band are widely documented on ILM, but i'm really enjoying listening to Weird Scenes Inside the Gold Mine, which i guess was a comp intended to speak to their jammier/proto-proggier side or something? like it has some of their big hits, but not their earlier, poppier hits besides, significantly, "Break On Through." and a lot more extended droney, arguably monotonous jams. so i think it paints a picture of the band that i can be on the same wavelength of. although lugubrious in places, and stops dead in its tracks for "You Need Meat" imho, it works better than their Greatest Hits that i dug out of my parents' collection as a teenager, which had those other songs like "Light My Fire" and "Love Me Two Times" and "People Are Strange." (i don't dislike them because they're poppier, to be clear, i've just never found them very exciting as 60s pop-rock songs!) "Hello I Love You" i think i like in my head, but it's really "Crush With Eyeliner" my brain is conjuring, mostly.
really was tempted to do another Honkin' on Bobo display name, with "Mister Mojo Risin'" ...but that's gotten so firmly attached to "Mister JoJo Rabbit" after seeing the posters for that movie at the subway entrance for six months.
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Monday, 10 January 2022 02:13 (two years ago) link
"Weird Scenes" is a great comp and yeah it was specifically meant to highlight their more out/weirder stuff vs the stuff that was on "13".
You Need Meat is insanely bad, I'm pretty sure the only person who thought Ray should sing a song was Ray
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 10 January 2022 15:34 (two years ago) link
"Who Scared You" is a great b-side on that record, and would have been better than a lot of the songs that made it onto Soft Parade.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 03:01 (two years ago) link
oh wow this comp hits the spot
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 January 2022 04:04 (two years ago) link
I started wondering last night: what songs from the original six Doors albums have never been extracted for a compilation? By my count, there are only eight:
I Looked At YouMy Wild LoveYes The River KnowsThe Soft ParadeIndian SummerBeen Down So LongL'AmericaCrawling King Snake
Two or three good ones!
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 16:01 (two years ago) link