Dude looks like a freak-folk roadie anyway.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
AND THEN HE COULD EAT HER WHEN THEY ARE DONE
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link
(had to google sweetums, never knew that thing's name)
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link
And hey, he's got a good public speaking rep!
http://www.grayclouds.net/adam/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/sweetums.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zdu2zeiJ1Y
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:22 (fourteen years ago) link
But he hangs around with suspicious people sometimes:
http://toughpigs.com/uploaded_images/sweetums-784013.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
ya i dunno... its a weird voice sure but... its not ugly?
― max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Have now listened. I think it's her weakest album by a considerable margin, by far the least melodic, the least well-sung, the least in control of its dynamics, and the least, um, retroactively prepossessing.
― that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
it's not ugly, but it sounds like she's putting a "baby" voice on at times as she sings
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
oh it is pretty ugly sometimes
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/dc19124/snoop.gif
― ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Fo shizzle.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
her voice is HIDEOUS
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I WOULDNT CALL IT UGLY THOUGH I AGREE IT IS HIDEOUS
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
some people like her music, some people don't like her music, none of us have anything insightful to say, and Mr. Que still isn't funny. lock thread.
― ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i like his use of all caps.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd love to see Judy Collins Sings Joanna Newsom. Might actually redeem a ton of these tracks for me.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Glad to see this devolved into yet another argument about her voice.
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
she mewls like a baby tiger; this is the direction I think ILX's Newsom fanfic should head in - big cats
― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
xxxxpost -- I think that post means you've just unlocked Level 4 on here.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.diychatroom.com/attachments/f51/8178d1234431968-field-mice-cats.jpg
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
im interested in getting to the bottom of what people hate so much about her voice--cuz its not like a "oh well shes always flat" or something right? like there is something about her tone that seems to cause some kind of visceral reaction in mordy and dan
― max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost -- Fizzgig?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I think Regina Spektor singing Joanna Newsom's songs would be pretty great.
xp: For me, it is the extreme nasal tone combined with the baby lisping.
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Alright Que, the cat made me laugh
― ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
have you listened to the new one dan? not saying youll like it--the affectations are a little toned down tho.
― max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
she mewls like a baby tiger
wo she couldn't get closer than THIS...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link
extreme nasal tone, and also her voice has a very sticky sounding character to me -- like almost mucous'y, like maybe her throat is coated in something.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
part of it is that some people just hate the timbre of her voice, and that hatred is exacerbated by the words she's singing. some people also think her voice is an "affectation," which she talks about in that Erik Davis piece on Ys, i believe
― ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Mark G wins
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Like, if she didn't sing entirely through her nose 24/7 and she enunciated, I wouldn't be as bothered by the extreme reediness of her tone, but she does all of these things that make her voice less of an instrument and more of a laser weapon currently under investigation by the UN.
xp: Haven't heard the new one yet; if the affectations are toned down I would likely be able to pay more attention to what she's doing musically. From what I can tell she is a great musician with a voice I don't particularly want to ever hear.
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm actually listening to this now...never heard her before.
it's not that bad actually...this first song reminds me of like "lionheart" era kate bush kinda when kate was more trad piano type production.
i'm not sure if i like it or i was just all hyped up totally hate it and now i'm kinda :/
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Greq05zAS9g
okay YES this is much, much better (and hits on/changes pretty much everything I was complaining about)
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
there's def a strong "grain of the voice" with her, very bodily produced, and it sounds very fleshy and gross i think is the issue i have with it. like it sounds like all the gross bits of the body. her voice doesn't sound like it's coming from somewhere deep, and the things i love about voices (their thickness, lushness, the way they sound coming out of a mouth) are totally absent here.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link
haha h8rs coming around
― max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
screw Beth Ditto...imagine Beth GIBBONS singing these songs, Mr Perry
(anyone know a good hypnotist?)
― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYl0uLrXP7U
I mean, there's no comparison IMO. In one, she's singing, in the other she's being tortured.
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
imagine Joanna Newsom singing Beth by Kiss
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean so far this shit ain't that different from say this kate song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xakoLYwokBo
^btw this clip is awesome <3
but actually now i'm listening and there's no comparing them as vocalists...kate is so fucking street real with her vocal talent, top 5 dead or alive...
but still i dunno it's not THAT far off in the continuum of music from like Candlemass to C&C Music Factory
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
yr setting her up for failure when you compare her to KB! but remember that shes only 3 albums into her career & still figuring out what she does
― max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link
i heard she "does" unicorns
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link
http://cdn3.libsyn.com/dsco/Have_One_on_Them.jpg?nvb=20100224173356&nva=20100225174356&t=0f142bc00ee9d126ea576
― mottdeterre, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
a bit of a hasty conclusion, but from what i've heard, her voice is much better on this disc.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
(i've heard some of the NPR stream and the video embeds on this thread)
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
i hesitate to call it 'better' since i never had a problem with her voice on the other two albums. but yeah--its less... affected but no less unique. imo.
― max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
is this album any good
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
"less affected" is good enough for me as a description
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
kate is so fucking street real
oh word
― epic board man (history mayne), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ya it is
― max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link
the only vocal stylings I have a problem with are the laddish affectations of British indie frontmen who throw in 'oh-oh-oh-ohhh' or 'yeeeeah' every other breath, in order to fill the space where a cutting lyrical sentiment could be, and doubtless to bolster the most thinly-veiled empty-head-onism youth, minor fame and a recording contract can buy. it is akin to watching a rapist pluck a dandelion for his next victim
― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link