they both sound like they took a lot of time with the record(s)? the popmatters guy is frustrated that its long and sounds unfocused--i think this is a fair criticism--whereas mark enjoys its length and doesnt find it unfocused
― max, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
from p4k review
One significant difference between Newsom and Mitchell is that the latter, especially early in her career, was writing songs that would sound good on the radio. For better or worse, Newsom is not a pop singer-- that's just not what she does. So I don't want to overstate this record's accessibility.
This is the primary reason I can't love Newsom no matter how many Mitchell comparisons she gets. (nb Joni is my favorite artist of all time.)
― Mordy, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
To say that this record is anything less than an astonishing achievement just means that you weren’t paying any attention.
sigh
― Turangalila, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link
PAY ATTENTION.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link
What?
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Haha, it's just hilarious how re: this album many people react as if you have to *study* it as if it were molecular neuroscience before even considering having any opinions about it.
― Turangalila, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link
That was me, btw.
― ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link
jk
I wonder how dumping Bill Callahan for Andy Samberg will affect the Newsom aesthetic?http://andysamberg.blogspot.com/2007/12/andy-samberg-kisses-joanna-newsom.html
― Brio, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link
whereas mark enjoys its length and doesnt find it unfocused
I didn't get this impression from the Pfork review. He pretty much said that he finds the length challenging for a traditional, start-to-finish listen, but has enjoyed coming and going from the album as he pleases, picking up in a different spot each time he puts it on the stereo. And that's not a good *album*, that's a set of songs by the same artist that are pleasing in small, random doses, basically as if they were on an iPod Shuffle.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link
omg in re: popmatters comments
You will live to regret this review. Your name and reputation are forever etched in history now, and generations will read this review in incredulous wonder at the man who rated this enduring work of art a 40/100. It is because of reviews and reviewers like you that I started my own blog 2 weeks ago. But no anger here - just pity.
Comment by ***** — February 23, 2010 @ 10:02 am
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link
(I wrote that one too.)
― ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link
(Still haven't listened to the record.)
joanna peesom
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Do you need help getting it out of the paper sleeve?
xpost
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
joanna peesom― (uh oh I'm having a fantasy)
― (uh oh I'm having a fantasy)
Nice juxtaposition of username and corresponding post.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
The Sistine Chapel. Guernica. Have One On Me.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
pitchfork gave this cd a “9.2”‘nuff said.
‘nuff said.
― ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Makes a fella glad he decided to start writing for PM again. Probably will never hear this album, keeping my Joanna Newsom non-streak alive.
― T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
man, those sleeves are a pain
― ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Comments in a Dommy P Tori Amos review >>>> these ones.
― 80085 (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
only a sexist would give this album a bad review
― Mordy, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Luckiliy pitchfork sees the genius of this album and awarded it with a 9.2. Suck on that !
― ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
It is easy to say that Tusk, and Sandinista are masterpieces, everybody knows that. But at the time, it divided critics, they called it too big. And that’s what this guy is saying overall. There is no filler, everything is in its place, and the 3 disc thing is a way to help people to listen to it the right way!
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link
lol i wanted to actually listen to this album and like it but now i'm not so sure
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link
People only cite Pitchfork, but this album has received already 3 perfect scores, and the rest of them rated near perfect (4 stars or 4.5) based on more than 15 reviews. This is the lowest review so far, and unless you count Rolling Stone, it will be the only negative one.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link
did she record this with albini?
― for HOOM the bell tolls (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link
No. O'Rourke mixed though.
― ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Still my favorite:
How dare the reviewer not worship at the feet of Her Squeakiness!!! How dare the reviewer not find her triple disc opus enchanting and mesmerizing!!! She plays a harp! A harp!!! The greatness inherent in that should be readily apparent to anyone with ears!! Elf music lives forever! FTW!!! The Travelocity Gnome rates this album a perfect 11 out of 10 Gnomish Tunics and the shill at Pitchfork has 9.2 chubby for this album, so take that and stroke it PopMatters!!! Exclamation points for all things Joanna!!!!!!!!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=joanna+newsom
― ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
http://twitter.com/erik_davis/status/9540916552
Loved his piece on Ys.
― ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Twitter:
Pauliwhirl: There's this one with guitar, Bulgarian tambura, banjo, kora, and THREE HARPS OVERLAID. FUCK YES, JOANNA NEWSOM.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Haven't read this yet, but someone linked to it on Twitter: http://music-mix.ew.com/2010/02/23/joanna-newsom-interview-have-one-on-me/
― ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
# WAITING FOR JOANNA NEWSOM TO LEAK. 11:41 AM Feb 19th via web# AHHHHHHH DOWNLOAD FASTER 1:31 PM Feb 19th via web# OMG OMG JOANNA NEWSOM. 8:32 PM Feb 19th via web# YES. YES, JOANNA NEWSOM. OMG YOU ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN FRAT PARTY. 9:14 PM Feb 19th via web
# AHHHHHHH DOWNLOAD FASTER 1:31 PM Feb 19th via web
# OMG OMG JOANNA NEWSOM. 8:32 PM Feb 19th via web
# YES. YES, JOANNA NEWSOM. OMG YOU ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN FRAT PARTY. 9:14 PM Feb 19th via web
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
innocent fairy prince sullied & sexualised by music business is certainly a trope on JN messageboards
she's been singing about sex (albeit: weirdly) since her first album!
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyone taking bets as to whether she'll be on a Twilight soundtrack eventually?
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
who cares?
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100223/Joanna-Newsom_240.jpg
am liking this look, maybe too much side boob?
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:29 (fourteen years ago) link
From the review ksh just linked -- is this an indirect response to J0hn D.'s comment, upthread?
EW: Some people do look at a song as a chore if it’s over 10 minutes. They might say, “This is good, but I have to warn you—it’s ten minutes long and has a harp.”JN: (laughs) Yeah, I understand that, but of course when a person writes music—I guess this isn’t the case with some death metal music where the intention is slightly different—but in general I feel when someone’s writing something it’s because it sounds good to them. Their instinct is to do what sounds pretty, and sounds good, and to me that’s what I do. So obviously when I hear it I go, “good job, self, you’ve made a song that sounded the way you want it to sound.” And then of course there’s not that many people who feel the same way about it. But there’s enough.
JN: (laughs) Yeah, I understand that, but of course when a person writes music—I guess this isn’t the case with some death metal music where the intention is slightly different—but in general I feel when someone’s writing something it’s because it sounds good to them. Their instinct is to do what sounds pretty, and sounds good, and to me that’s what I do. So obviously when I hear it I go, “good job, self, you’ve made a song that sounded the way you want it to sound.” And then of course there’s not that many people who feel the same way about it. But there’s enough.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:30 (fourteen years ago) link
You will be.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link
For reference, J0hn's comment:
yeah if I'm listening to 13-minute epic songs in a rock/pop mode they better have a shredding solo and some wicked distortion or I want my money back, that is just how I break it down to an extent
xpost to myself
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
[q]who cares?
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weird choice of... verb?
http://z.about.com/d/bestsellers/1/0/O/3/-/-/I_Am_America.jpg
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link
also drag city is gonna sell a lot of this album--by 2010 standards anyway.
Emphasis on the "drag" for this long-ass album, amirite?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link
D+
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I'll be here all week!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link
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― ksh, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link
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― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:40 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't care why he's gone or what his deal is - I demand the presence of L0u1s Jagg3r on this thread
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link
seconded
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link
does anyone know any women that tolerate Ms. Newsome?
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link