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(Everyone taking this discussion topic seriously raise their right hand. *raises left hand*)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 31 January 2003 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Astute choice of appendage.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 January 2003 21:21 (twenty-three years ago)

"I want you to hit it...hit it and quit it..."

http://images.ibsys.com/2002/0109/1181589.jpg

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 31 January 2003 21:42 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm a bit embarassed by my original post actually - i'm pretty sure the 'black people invented rock music dontcha know' was tongue-in-cheek...or maybe it was just my catchphrase at the time...

despite that, the topic does merit some serious discussion - because even know we all know that in reality of course rock n' roll is not something that only appeals to people who happen to be caucasian or whatever...but the stereotypes are real too, and perpetuated by a wide range of elements, from MTV to record stores to the consumers themselves

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 31 January 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't belive that opening statement inspired so much discussion. I mean, if this was around Living Colour's era a discussion of whether black people SHOULD rock would at least be somewhat topical (everyone probably would have agreed Corey Glover shouldn't).

If the opening question was at all valid, the answer I'd have gained from mainstream American comedies is that black would-be rock fans wouldn't want to be surrounded by "a bunch of crazy white people." And white guys would respond "It's true! It's all true! We're sooo lame." And then we'd all dive into Fred Durst's chocolate starfish.

But again, I'm surprised you all, like, acknowledged this dillpickle.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 31 January 2003 22:30 (twenty-three years ago)

And then we'd all dive into Fred Durst's chocolate starfish.

FIEND.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 31 January 2003 22:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Everyone's just attacking strawmen and not addressing
the question.


― Joe Dawg, Friday, 31 January 2003 23:02 (twenty-three years ago)

The only place I ever hear about Living Colour currently is on this thread.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 1 February 2003 02:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Robert Johnson, Charley Patton, Son House, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, John Lee Hooker. Most rock(rhythmically) is nothing these guys haven't already done.

Chuck Berry and Little Richard. Can't get more rock'n'roll than them.

Jimi Hendrix, ultimate rock guitarist. Though he expressed concern about how brothers saw him.

Arthur Lee. What Jim Morrison wished he could be.

Funkadelic/Eddie Hazel rocked as much as Black Sabbath or Led Zeppelin in the day. A real "pysche" band.

Bob Marley listened to Hank Williams Sr. Toots and the Maytals did the definitive version of "Country Road." Don't forget Cymande.

Grandmaster Flash/Kool Herc/Bambaata spun Kraftwerk along with JB.
Don't forget about the Puerto Rican b-boys back in the day. They contributed too.

Prince is from Minnesota.

Pharrel of the N*E*R*D*/Neptunes, arguably the most influential producer in pop music today, has a skater/BMX/punk side and he has a bling side.

― Polo Pony, Saturday, 1 February 2003 06:17 (twenty-three years ago)

dude, you forgot Mother's Finest!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 1 February 2003 06:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm going to namecheck the Veldt here because no one else has and they need to be namechecked more often.

― Chris Barrus (xibalba), Saturday, 1 February 2003 07:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Corey Glover = the Wayne Brady of rock. Saw them 3 times, they...were...NEVER any good. Does anyone remember Xavion?

― matt riedl (veal), Saturday, 1 February 2003 18:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Tinobeat: 1. I was being funny. I knew he meant "rocking". I was pulling his chain. 2. If I DID know about the demographic outside my immediate area (which happens to be populated by a great MANY African-Americans), and it PROVED anything, would you concede or continue to rage on? "Black People" are not a unit, granted. "African-American consumers and musicians", however, ARE units, and quantifiable ones. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I just don't think it's THAT stupid a thread. I've read a number of interesting viewpoints within it.

― matt riedl (veal), Saturday, 1 February 2003 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm going to namecheck the Veldt here because no one else has and they need to be namechecked more often.

FUCK YES.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 February 2003 21:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Blacks have composed, played, and performed rock music since its emergence in the 1950s, but the term “black rock” came to be recognized around 1985. At that time, guitarist Vernon Reid and music journalist Greg Tate joined with a small group of black musicians and music industry professionals in New York City to found the Black Rock Coalition (BRC). Reid was a young but accomplished musician whose work with avant-garde jazz artists such as Ronald Shannon Jackson had drawn critical attention. More significantly, he had recently formed the ground-breaking rock band, Living Colour, an all-black heavy rock band that would eventually score a string of minor hits on rock radio. BRC co-founder Greg Tate was beginning to establish himself as a journalist through his writing on black music in the Village Voice and to build a reputation as one of the major theoretical voices of the burgeoning hip-hop movement. Reid and Tate rightly recognized that the structure of the American popular music industry limited the growth of many black artists’ musical intentions, since throughout the era of rock ’n’ roll, the American music industry engaged in a kind of commercial segregation, placing black performers in tightly regulated categories designed to appeal to perceived demographics of the music audience, and it was rare to find a black musician given official sanction to perform the same with white rock.

http://www.jahsonic.com/BlackRock.html

― Jan Geerinck, Saturday, 1 February 2003 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

The thing with this is the first post is asking about "why does black people never want to rock", yet you're specifying indie rock, which generally doesn't rock whatsoever anyway.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 3 February 2003 14:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, for the most part.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 3 February 2003 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

It can very much rock. It might not funk, though.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

why does aboriginals not want to funk?

― the internet (scg), Monday, 3 February 2003 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
wow, in light of the OutKast semi-scandal, that's a very prescient post.

― My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Monday, 16 February 2004 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I suspect that many african americans perceive the "rock" sound to be white. Co-optation of the form has caused many to turn to sounds they can claim as their own. I can see this continuing with the present backlash/rejection of caucasion artists in the "so-called" backpack movement. Racism and all its cultural attachments "color" our perceptions for better or worse.

― illcentric sounds, Monday, 16 February 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

90 Day Men

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

John Mayer & Dave Chapelle to thread!!!!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I rock everyday. However, I call it hip hop. I nod my head. I thrash. I break stuff... Uh okay I don't break stuff, I just fire off a few rounds on the desert eagle. Point is we been rocking. We did it with our gospel (speaking tongues), our blues, our jazz and OUR rock. How else we gonna get that out that frustration.

― METALFACE, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm getting frustrated just reading this thread!

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Donna, do you like the Darkness?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

lemme think........NO

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

why d'you ask?

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Why does black people never want to rock?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, wait- DARKNESS! it's a JOKE!

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, I didn't mean THAT!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I know :)

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Do Husker Du and the Minutemen and Mission of Burma and the Replacements and (shut up! -ed.) count as ROCK?

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I have heard of this rock.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes. This is good rock.

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Hurrah for rock! Let us nurture it, and it will grow big and warm with love.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Corny indie fuck alert!!!

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I knew several african american soul coughing fans and they were sort of indie I guess.

― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Let us nurture it, and it will grow big and warm with love

hmm....

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Jon, twenty years from now, sipping a Grolsch with tears in his eyes: "WOLF EYES MEANT SOMETHING TO ME, MAN!"

"That's nice, dear. Take out the trash."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Jon, twenty years from now, sipping a Grolsch with tears in his eyes: "WOLF EYES MEANT SOMETHING TO ME, MAN!"

"That's nice, dear. Take out the trash."

20 years? My wife has that attitude now! (she's the sensible one in the family)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Well yeah, but Jon's still in college and finding his place in the world.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Soul Coughing, but they do not ROCK

― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Bluesk,

It's not exactly right to say that blacks invented rock. Rock grew out of the meeting between black and white rural styles. Listen to Chuck Berry: it's the blues meets country, black meets white. The notion that whites 'took' rock from blacks is just p.c. revisionist blather.

― Tab25, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i wish you hadn't referred to that post as it makes me cringe - black people invented everything tho, it's true. one specific black person in fact. his name was Carl.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Soul Coughing, but they do not ROCK
-- Donna Brown (summerbab...) (webmail), February 17th, 2004 8:52 AM. (Donna Brown) (later) (link)


Thats arguable.

― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

who cares whether they rock or not? his voice cuts glass and that may be enough

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I should let him know, I think he's looking for something to do with his time more and more these days.

― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Who is the BLACK Wolf Eyes?

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

There aren't as many as whites, but, from my experience, when black people decide to rock, they rock even harder. (And i'm not talking about, ohh!! rocking by listening to hip hop, and that kind of shit, but rocking to what normally is considered rocking)I guess it has to something with the fact they are devoid of that white liberal guilt type of thing. Anyway, example: Bad Brains, no one can deny they fucking rock in every traditional metal punk fist raising kind of way and do it extremely well.
Anyway saying black people don't rock is almost stereotypical.
Its basically the same with the latino stereotype. Your latino you must like salsa, and like to dance. Or if you like rock, you must like shit like Mana or Juanes (which I consider the Latin American version of Dave MAtthews Band). I personally despise dancing(well, salsa and merengue dancing at least, I actually like the Axl snake dance) and I hate both Mana and Juanes.

― Cacaman Flores, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

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