Bjork's new program "Vespertine" Total Victory or Total Failure?

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god why am i always so afraid of being picked apart on this damn site...

What's that supposed to be mean?

Zachary Scott (Zach S), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

HA!

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

This was the first Bjork album I ever bought and ever heard for that matter (complete whim). I thought that buying the newest album at the time would be a good way to be introduced to her work (never a good idea with any artist). Needless to say, I hated it--for five years I would play it and I could never hear one track the whole way through. About a year and a half ago all of a sudden it was awesome and since then I've delved into her catalouge more (but not so much to be duped into buying box sets, just the needless live albums). After hearing Sugarcubes and Post and Homegenic and Debut and Telegram etc. this one is still my favorite. Granted it may not be her best album, I've driven so many cold nights with this that it will always be my favorite. Her notes in "Vespertine Live" are good in explaining her direction: she wanted it to sound isolated and "alone" with herself (ourselves) and that much I love about it. It doesn't have the density of sound like the others and that's what pushes me away from Debut and Post. I can barely stand "I Miss You," which says a lot for my bad taste. I'm mostly partial to the second half: the "Frosti" / "Aurora" one-two punch; "Sun In My Mouth"; "Harm of Will"; "Unison". "Selma Songs" is a close runner-up for me, and then "Medulla." Call me crazy.

earinfections (Nick Twisp), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

you should check out KUKL next, Nick (her pre-Sugarcubes band). Seriously.

I love Vespertine. I love the harp sound, I love the music boxes. I agree that the record emphasizes sound over songwriting, and it does wear a bit towards the end. Still, it has a lovely shimmering aura not unlike primo Cocteau Twins.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

praise having now been given, i will say that i think the album needed more bass, hidden place being the exception to that. more bass and yes, more exciting songwriting in parts. and the bells, while beautiful, are indeed a bit redundant by the end.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

i still thnk my favorite bjork album may be debut. although i really don't know - it's so hard. i mean, homogenic is homogenic and post is breathtaking too. but debut - that quirky dance sensibility thing, i just love it. big time sensuality is one of my favorite songs ever. and there's more to life than this...

oh and that headphones song on post? now to me, there's an example of the beauty of the imperfect.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Post is still her best album, I think.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Also I wouldn't even begin to try deconstructing Bjork's vocal technique.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

why?... it's not that complicated. she has an accent, she sings with a lot of emotion and there is a lot of fluctuation in her voice. Post is great but for me, it's more spotty than Debut or Homogenic. But that's just me.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Her transition from belt to head voice is astonishing, plus the growls and yelps can't be explained by an accent unless I have a deep misunderstanding of Icelandic.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

"So when it comes to my voice, I just always sang the only way I can
sing, and that's it, really." Bjork quote from Pulse!

Again, art = what you want + what you can do.

I think it's fun deconstructing her voice - we should all be deconstructing anything of interest that seems too difficult to deconstruct. that's like what we do!

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

no, the growls and yelps can't be explained by her accent - certainly didn't imply as much. the growls and yelps can be explained by her emotion and creativity, methinks.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

the growls and yelps are also indicators of Bjork's resistance to vocal stylings commonly considered palatable. they are markers of her drive to widen the boundaries of what is acceptable as popular music.

From the same Pulse! article:

"...I know I just can't sing like anyone else, and I still haven't found a singer who I can say is my hero or who has influenced me. I...admire a lot of singers and how larger than life, how big they are, but I haven't got anything in common with them. Just the sound of my voice, to begin with, or what I've experienced, just my life in general - there's no way I could compare myself to someone like Edith Piaf, or Maria Callas or Ella Fitzgerald, because they're just too distant from me, and I can't really learn from them either."

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

six months pass...
Vespertine is still a really good intimate sex record.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

i completely disagree with melissa on this thread but i LOVE the crabbily vitriolic way she hates on it

lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

pagan poetry is so beautiful. been listening to it a lot this weekend after years.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

The only Bjork album that holds up.

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

i love vespertine, but it's certainly not perfect. seems to get a lotta love, tho, which is cool.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

did this really come out 5 years ago?
jeez...time flies when you're doing stuff.

funny farm, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

So easily the best Bjork record.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

"program"

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

this and Homogenic tie for my fav

stephen, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

i know, ha.

really, this just gets better every year.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

(ha about "program")

Surmounter, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

wow mel w is so OffTM up there....yes, I think this is Bjork's best album; volta really pales in comparison.

akm, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

Surely Post and Debut are more "saccharine" than Vespertine?

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

No way is this Bjork's best album; both Post and Homogenic are light-years better.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

no

akm, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

yes

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

Post is a little too broad in its sound and Homogenic has quite a few duds in it. Vespertine is like one long beautifully produced track, but maybe others would prefer more variety and scope. I just like how intimate it is.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

What are the duds on Homogenic???

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

Can't remember. Somewhere near the middle, maybe? It gets a little choppy whereas Vespertine only tires near the end. I still really like it, though!

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Vespertine is perhaps two tracks too long. otherwise, perfect.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Medulla aside, she's basically spent her entire career trying to recreate those two albums; I think a solid case can be made for them being the cornerstones of her musical foundation.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe, but in that case Vespertine is the album Homogenic could have been. =)

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

It's really good, you should listen to it again. I just did.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

Medulla aside, she's basically spent her entire career trying to recreate those two albums; I think a solid case can be made for them being the cornerstones of her musical foundation.

-- HI DERE, Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

what albums are in imitation of Homogenic/Post?

Surmounter, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

maybe Vespertine/Volta? Just a guess. I'm not sure I agree though.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

It's all to do with the colouring of the artwork

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

i would say definitely no for both of those.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

ok

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

Volta maybe borrowed from some of Post's more sparse tracks, but that's all i can see.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

All of them since Post and Homogenic except for Medulla, as I said in my post. She is constantly reusing the same compositional ideas, in terms of melody, harmony and arrangement; Medulla broke out of that because she was playing around with a capella and, as a result, she made something very different-sounding from the rest of her catalogue.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

It's not a case of "album x is the new Post/Homogenic", it's that everything she's done since then has recycled those two albums.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

That's sort of a depressing way to look at Bjork's career. I really hope it isn't true!

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

Keep in mind I like all of these albums!

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

But also I can't really listen to either of those albums all the way through without wanting to skip a track here and there, while I just listened to Vespertine twice all the way through.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

i respectfully disagree! the only 2 studio albums after Post/Homogenic, excluding Medulla, were Vespertine and Volta, right?. and i have to say, notwithstanding melody/harmony/compositional analysis, i think they sound very different, and stand alone.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:52 (eighteen years ago)

The amount of respect being shown here is heartwarming.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

I mean the upshot of all of this is that I just spent a nice afternoon listening to Vespertine and wanted to tell someone about it.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:54 (eighteen years ago)


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