Let us now praise Fairport Convention's "Liege & Lief"

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Let us praise it, indeed. I just soak up this kind of old-style British stuff like a sponge.

It's hrd bein a man, livn' in a garbage pai (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 27 October 2008 06:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Come on, who is awake who knows this album? Speak now.

It's hrd bein a man, livn' in a garbage pai (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 27 October 2008 07:07 (sixteen years ago) link

get the "new " fotheringay joint that just came out
great sandy stuff on it!

velko, Monday, 27 October 2008 07:14 (sixteen years ago) link

^yeah totally looking forward to getting the fotheringay thing when my emusic downloads reset

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Monday, 27 October 2008 07:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Playing the rec right now thanks to your revival, Bimble!

Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 27 October 2008 07:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Can't spell "Mattacks" without "attacks"!

Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 27 October 2008 07:36 (sixteen years ago) link

What is "the rec" Myonga? The record?

It's hrd bein a man, livn' in a garbage pai (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 27 October 2008 07:37 (sixteen years ago) link

And what is this bloody fotheringay stuff. Might as well give a drunk Bimble a link and not make him figure it out on his own, aye?

It's hrd bein a man, livn' in a garbage pai (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 27 October 2008 07:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Why can't I die in England? If only to die on English soil! I don't know why...I just can't explain the subsconscious feelings I get when I hear stuff like this. I really can't explain it at all. I know it makes me look daft, but I can't figure out how to explain it. Deep in my ancestry, some kind of really deep memory thing. I can't put it into words at all.

Living In A Garbage Pail (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 27 October 2008 07:47 (sixteen years ago) link

info on the lost second fotheringay lp, now available..

http://brainwashed.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7139&Itemid=1

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Monday, 27 October 2008 08:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Thanks, Jim.

Living In A Garbage Pail (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 27 October 2008 08:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought the "Unhalfbricking" pic was photographed somewhere near the entrance to Hyde Park, but if it is from Wimbledon I guess it just looks typically English then.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 27 October 2008 09:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I raved about Unhalf a while ago, got it in Fopp Cambridge for £3.

Went for this to follow on, and um, ... sigh... it's .. not... there for me.

Maybe I have to go backwards, i.e. "What we did hols" more.

Mark G, Monday, 27 October 2008 09:25 (sixteen years ago) link

it was sandy denny's parents house, with her parents posing in front. apparently her mother was a bit of a monster and was responsible for a lot of sandy's chronic self-esteem issues

velko, Monday, 27 October 2008 09:26 (sixteen years ago) link

In the back of the latest John Peel "sessions" book, the log entry for the Fairports has a demo tape of one Alexsandra Denny with a note from her mother saying that they should audition her as "she is very good".

Just sayin' like.

Mark G, Monday, 27 October 2008 09:30 (sixteen years ago) link

.. from around 1965 or so, I should have added.

Mark G, Monday, 27 October 2008 09:30 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, i'm sure there's 2 sides to the story, i read some article about a bio of sandy that came out a few years ago. the portrait of the mom was pretty unflattering. but sandy's husband trevor lucas is also seen as a bad influenece on her. ultimately as an adult she was responsible for getting her shit straight but never could. i do think a lack of confidence was crippling for her, and that usually starts in childhood, but don't mean to slander her mom as i'm sure it's a very complicated story

velko, Monday, 27 October 2008 09:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I always loved that photo though, the genteel Daily Mail (1960's) old couple, and those frightful hippie friends of their daughter camped out on their lawn..

It does suggest the 'cold' relationship, in the same way as those pics of the incredible string band always suggested how the relationship between the 'couples' actually were irl.

Mark G, Monday, 27 October 2008 09:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Rec = record, yes

Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 27 October 2008 09:53 (sixteen years ago) link

When I first got Unhalfbricking (after hearing this one) I really thought I was gonna like it, but soon concluded it was pretty inessential.

Living In A Garbage Pail (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 27 October 2008 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link

"A Sailor's Life"! Tom Verlaine plays with the Velvets! While an english Nico sings!

Mark G, Monday, 27 October 2008 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Autopsy!!! For those two alone it's essential.

also I cannot wait to hear that 2nd Fotheringay record.

sleeve, Monday, 27 October 2008 19:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, well I do recall one or two stand-out tracks, to be sure. Don't remember what they were, though. Oh well.

The Ungrateful Dead (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 27 October 2008 19:16 (sixteen years ago) link

whoa i brought this record to work and listened to it hours before i saw this thread! weird. i think i prefer unhalfbricking these days, but i mean, its a pretty sweet choice to have to make.

69, Monday, 27 October 2008 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link

^yeah totally looking forward to getting the fotheringay thing when my emusic downloads reset

i didn't know this was on emusic. i'll grab it tonight, thx.

from upthread:

The Hutching Mattacks rhythm section are actually kinda funky.

i'm not sure they're actually funky, but they definitely have some groove. i think that sort of loping feel they give the music is key to connecting the trad stuff with the rock stuff. it provides a setting for the melodies that updates them without feeling contrived or boxing them in.

tipsy mothra, Monday, 27 October 2008 19:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Queen Elizabeth Hall
The Lady : A Tribute to Sandy Denny

Monday 1 December 2008, 7.30pm

In the 30 years since her death, Sandy Denny has emerged as one of the UK's greatest singer-songwriters. A very special line up of artists including former colleagues and young admirers re-interpret her songs in this very special tribute showcasing her work with Fairport Convention, Fotheringay and her solo career.

http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/music/productions/the-lady-a-tribute-to-sandy-43399

If Joe Boyd is behind this (no idea if he is), this could be very good indeed.

Bob Six, Monday, 27 October 2008 20:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I think if I were that guy I'd sneak a look at your shoes and your hairstyle before taking a musical tip, no matter how vehement.
― Momus, Friday, May 10, 2002 12:00 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark

Thank god this twit isn't around anymore.

ian, Monday, 27 October 2008 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

"When I first got Unhalfbricking (after hearing this one) I really thought I was gonna like it, but soon concluded it was pretty inessential."

WTF?!?! That is crazy crazy stuff.

Alex in SF, Monday, 27 October 2008 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost isn't that just a floral way of saying "cheeck the guy's visible taste, if it's OK, maybe the tip is as well" ?

Mark G, Monday, 27 October 2008 22:42 (sixteen years ago) link

shit, a lot of people dress well, but i don't think that makes their taste in music any more or less valid.

ian, Monday, 27 October 2008 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I find the first Fotheringay record slightly too polished sounding. How is the production on the "new" one?

Alex in SF, Monday, 27 October 2008 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I have to say Ian is OTM here.

The Ungrateful Dead (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 27 October 2008 22:46 (sixteen years ago) link

sure, I don't even mean "well", just 'similar to you'...

It doesn't mean it's more (or less) valid

Mark G, Monday, 27 October 2008 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link

No love for "What We Did On Our Holidays"? That's the one I play most!

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 09:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Richard's web Q&A from this month has an awesome tidbit:
The Wikipedia entry for Judy Dyble contains the following gem:

Q: Famously, she sat on the front of the stage at the Speakeasy club knitting, while Hendrix and Richard Thompson jammed. Is this true? Did you really jam with Hendrix? If so, what was she knitting, a drum kit or a bass guitar?

A: Jimi jumped up on several occasions at the Speakeasy. I think he just liked to play. We didn’t feel especially privileged, because he’d get up with everybody. Jude’s knitting, of course, was a creative reflection of the music, and would change shape and stitch with the musical mood.

tylerw, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

although Dyble is certainly overshadowed by Sandy in terms of Fairport female vocalists, her coolness factor just went way up.

tylerw, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I only know "Who Knows Where the Time Goes" and I love that. How does this compare?

Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

"Liege and Lief", you mean? More traditional folky.

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, but still electrically electrifying! one tune on this record that gets overlooked sometimes i "Reynardine" -- seriously, how do they do it? The music just hangs there, floating in space. I play in bands, and I cannot figure out how to pull this off.

tylerw, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

this album rulz

psychgawsple, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 07:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Okay, it probably deserves its own thread, but this Fotheringay 2 thing is really something to be reckoned with.

The Ungrateful Dead (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 3 November 2008 07:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Their debut is often overlooked, but is actually a great UK psych pop album. A little less "folk" influenced than their later stuff but it has some elements already in there (after all, Joe Boyd was around already), only more English psych in addition.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 3 November 2008 10:32 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

MATTY GROVES

Just Go Lay A Disco Egg (Bimble), Saturday, 4 July 2009 10:43 (fifteen years ago) link

he's little

velko, Saturday, 4 July 2009 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link

i still don't have this fucking album, every time i go to buy it my wife tells me not to because she already has it. WELL WHERE IS IT, THEN?

(we are the lockhorns irl)

next stop: NOWHERE, i wanna get off (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 4 July 2009 14:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Oooh this album.

"Farewell, Farewell" = tears

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, 4 July 2009 16:34 (fifteen years ago) link

"tam lin" sounds proto-black-sabbath to me. so heavy.

us_odd_bunny_lady (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 4 July 2009 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link

The final triumphant turnaround in "The Deserter" is so amazing to me. The "set him free!" part just kicks ass.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, 4 July 2009 17:01 (fifteen years ago) link

thompson took the tune from the child ballad "willy o'winsbury" and set his lyrics for "farewell, farewell" to it. he heard it from sweeney's men, the irish proto-folk rock group that ashley hutchings wanted to draft into fairport at the time of liege & lief. it didn't happen, supposedly that is one of the reasons hutchings left the band. he did succeed in getting terry woods from that group into the first steeleye span lineup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTZZgovSEYQ

velko, Saturday, 4 July 2009 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link

The Pentangle version of "Willy O'Winsbury" is fantastic too.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Saturday, 4 July 2009 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link


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