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Just got an announcment from Universal Nashville, they're going to all-download-only promos.

don (dow), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 23:18 (twenty years ago)

was that in an email, don? i don't think i got one (but then, i may not be on universal nashville's emailing list now; i'm not sure.) either way, an ominous omen for the future, as far as i'm concerned.

three things i learned while reading a kelefa sanneh review in the times this morning:
1) "someone is me" on blaine larsen's album (the clean-up-exurbia song, which for some reason i kept calling "someone LIKE me" above when really its title means "i AM somebody") is apparently also a track on the new kenny rogers album.
2) a cover of "girl next door" by saving jane, the original of which i still don't think i've ever heard, has apparently been added to the new julie roberts album, though it's still not on the advance CD i have, which i've barely listened to at all because i keep forgetting i have it because it was sent in one of those long skinny cardboard greeting-card-like sleeves that record companies send advance promos in sometimes and that hides it from my eyes.
3) trace adkins apparently also did a version of "break down here," off julie roberts's first album. i bet it wasn't as good as hers.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 12:47 (twenty years ago)

"Hello to all, Universal Music is proud to announce, effective immediately, the digital distribution of all advance and final music via email and the Promo Only program/player. Most of you are probably familiar with this delivery in working with our sister labels (Interscope, Geffen, Verve, etc...)" Goes on to say we will "receive a 'welcome' email that will walk you through registering. Should you have any questions or problems with the system, feel free to submit your feedback through the specified links that will appear at the bottom of each email notice." I'm sure that will work like a charm. Oh, speaking of ol' obsolete promos, anybody ever get a new release date for Ashley Monroe???? (Yeah, I keep forgetting about Julie, got that about the same time as Ashley; seen Julie's new vid a couple times, looks and sounds pretty undistinguished)

don (dow), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Wait, but that doesn't say promos will *only* be sent via download, does it? Only that you *can* download them. I mean, it doesn't say they're going to stop snailmailing them. Or am I reading it wrong?

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

im listening ot the new blaine larsen, i like the writing, but im not sure i like the rest...

can we talk about the sexual politics of the new toby video

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 15 June 2006 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Anthony, why do you always ask permission to talk about everything?
No offense, but that really drives me nuts. Just talk about it, like everybody else! (I mean, do you really think anybody is going to say, "No! We definitely CANNOT talk about the sexual politics of the new Toby video"?)(I dunno, maybe it's a Canadian politeness thing.) (Riddle: How do you get 50 drunken Canadians out of your swimming pool? Answer: Ask them nicely to get out of your swimming pool.)

So I just got got emailed the new Julie Roberts CD from Mercury, downloadable via links. So maybe Don is right. A wave of the future. There goes my daily walking-to-the-mailbox-down-the-block exercise.

xhukx (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Hell no, you can't talk about it, unless you voted for the new Canadian Conservative regime, and are going back to Iraq with Toby! I assumed, when they xpost said "all advance and final music via email and Promo Only program player," they meant ALL, ONLY--but, now that you mention it, maybe not! Let's ask! Although I never got that much from them anyway, I did review what I got, like Shelly, Terri. So would be good not to have to screw with downloads, since this ol computer don't digest 'em very well. They've been sending those regular email downloads for a while, but those were just individual tracks, weren't they. Anyway, I'll ask Amber.

don (dow), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:27 (twenty years ago)

Wait, that Toby video, you mean where he's sealing her in behind a brick wall, only turns out he's bricked HISSELF in? And she gets all disgusted at his male incompetence and goes upstairs. That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen, although the song is okay. (I nail his sexual politics in "Friendly Ghost Of A Mullet," see Voice archive.)

don (dow), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

hmmm....doesn't seem to be up on youtube yet (though the song title might help), but speaking of sexual politics, i did find this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqbGru-1sq0&search=toby%20keith

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

all advance and final music via email and the Promo Only program/player

Why do you guys even care? It's not like you're going to do anything about it, like write something pointed and critical. "Here, take this shit and eat it" -- is what that p.r. statement says. Why not ask how much and what color?

"Promo Only program/player" is another piece of digital rights management software you get to download to your machine for the "privilege" of listening to a promotional copy. Yeah, sure, the company is going to make available unencumbered digital music files.

You're so used to having sand kicked in your face, now you've come to like it.

Oh, heavens, they'll take me off their e-mail list if I complain, then I won't even get the tips to the promo links.

You wanna bet they continue sending CDs to newspapers? They know the people on staff get flooded with material and, boy, isn't it smart to just give them a reason to ignore your product because the day's already too long and corporate network rules frowns on the downloading of outside executables to the system?

Some of you might want to consider, once you've downloaded a bunch of different firm's "audio content managers," what that means to your operating system when you're trying to listen to music that ISN'T mediated by either of them. Or what if the same piece of music is mediated by both at the same time?

Oh, my computer acts squirrelly now! Even more than usual! It runs slower and slower. It crashed and I had to get someone to make it work again. Now I can hardly play any music at all on it.

Yes, ask the P.r. person. They'll certainly tell you the unadorned truth and make your life easier.

Don't be mean, now. Don't say you're doing a story. You'll get taken off the digital promo list. You'll be deemed not cost effective and sub-worthless. Ow-ow-ow-ow-ow!

xpost

I want to know where the youtube post of "Haji Girl" is.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

its creepy, has a sort of silence of the lambs vibe, there are sections wwhere it looks like he is going to rape and kill her, and then all of a sudden, he bricks himself in and well yeah he makes it a funny...

truly odd

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

xp: nah, I doubt I'll be downloading much if any of what I'm sent, Urnst. And I've got no qualms about telling the labels that, if they ask; I've got nothing to lose if they're not gonna mail me their shit regardless. I'll listen to that Julie Roberts thing on the CD I got sent three months ago. Next one, I may just skip. Which just means I'll have more time for cdbaby and myspace bands (most of whom, oddly, have no qualms about snailmailing promo CDs. And you don't need anything fancy to hear their stuff online, either.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Hooray I am in the US but at an internet caff so just a quick mention that the sleeve of Ted Taylor's "Keeping My Head Above Water" is one of my favourite soul covers ever: he's up to his neck in a sewer and has a cute little green frog on his shoulder. Not his best record, though, as I remember. Nothing as good as "She's Got A Munchy Tunchy" or "(I'm Just A Crumb In Your) Breadbox of Love".

I've been listening a lot to Toby's "Pull My Chain" as recommended upthread and I like it a lot, which is only really strange because each successive song seems to be am essay in the kind of thing I don't relly like. But I can persuade myself that the strength of the material pulls it through. I should probably stop worrying about it really and get on with enjoying it.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:54 (twenty years ago)

yeah, I got that same e-mail from Universal. I'll give Lauren a call there and see what the ding-dang deal is. I mean I have fucking dial-up and so it's slow; and I don't have any kind of great speakers set up with my Mac or anything.

I thought Kelefa did a good job on Blaine and Julie, but don't know about "Someone Is Me" as "fogeyish." I guess I don't get "exurbia" exactly, either, but more "lower middle classville" or something, which might be more or less the same thing in the Pacific Northwest where Laren's from? And of course I find the bit about folks looking askance at BL as he prays in a diner a bit perplexing, like Blaine's gonna strike a big blow for acceptance of Christianity in exurbia? Which for me really locates Blaine in some other place than the traditional country-audience area--like the Pacific Northwest, where I'm sure there are far more agnostics and "freethinkers" than here in Tennessee or Indiana or wherever. Or am I offbase here, can we talk about it...?

I cannot bring myself to listen to Julie Roberts right now...but I do kinda like this Hacienda Bros. record, "What's Wrong with Right," where they cover "Cry Like a Baby" and the Intruders' (?) "Cowboys to Girls." not much of a singer, but a good groove.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 15 June 2006 23:32 (twenty years ago)

And you don't need anything fancy to hear their stuff online, either.

That's for sure. They even have mercy on the dial-up connection. Perhaps they know where their audience is and wish to optimize opportunities.

Anyway, that distro plan would automatically bite it on a dial-up. Hey, digital rights management and I don't see why, a year from now, they just ask ya for your credit card so they can charge you a nominal record-keeping fee for the privilege.

Now kids on their schools broadband or mom and pop's broadband, that's cool. Do the job from the Internet caff. You'll have all the broadband you need and just pay the caff's timeshare and you can download that promo copy and listen to it in the shop. Hey, I'm at the Internet caff right now maxing to the Witchfinder General live in '83 recording.

Let's just contact the p.r. ladies and get this all straightened out.
But it was such a jolly e-mail. "Hello to all, Universal Music is proud to announce" and you will get a "welcome." Roll out the welcome mat!

oddly, have no qualms about snailmailing promo CDs

No doubt because they're not part of a set of corporate "achievements" someone wants to be able to put in a memo at the end of the year.

(1) To fight leaks and cut costs, maximized use of technology by moving all promotional distribution to copy-protected downloads on the Internet.

Truly odd, this is a piece of malice, with a sort of silence of the lambs vibe.


George Smith (Urnst Kouch), Friday, 16 June 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)

Hey Tim, glad I didn't lead you astray with Pull My Chain. He seems to be trying to get back to that approach, which always was his approach, basically (with "Courtesy Of The Red White And Blue" and "The Taliban Song" extreme extentions of his novelty-paranoid-macho, which is there in the ballads too, or some of 'em). But none of the songs I've heard (haven't heard all of) Honky Tonk U (resting or White Trash With Money have grabbed me, not like the old stuff. So I'd suggest that you might *try* working your way backwards: def. How Do You Like Me Now?!, then Dream Walkin' (may not have punctuated those titles quite right), Blue Moon; heck, even Boom Town, and maybe the first (self-titled), although I don't remember that one too well.

don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 02:52 (twenty years ago)

anthony, i can see where you're coming from with the toby video, the first time i watched it i just kept waiting (and hoping) for the "catch" b/c the buildup is really sadistic and actually made me squirm a little - seeing the girl tied up and struggling, no matter how badly she jilted him, is more than a little unnerving, so when the punchline comes at the end it's almost more of a relief than anything else.

wondering too how much of the intended audience gets the reference to cask of amontillado - there's been several pop culture nods to it in the past (the simpons comes to mind), so maybe it's become such a part of the lexicon that the source doesn't matter anymore.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:04 (twenty years ago)

i totally didnt get the poe reference, but the shovel bit is what really upset me, and that the trough looks like a coffin

i think that toby is going from strength to strength, though i like the early work, he has grown in sophistcation and delivery

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:42 (twenty years ago)

George/Ulrich, you will be disgusted to know that I did indeed go crawling to the throne of my contact, and she decreed" We will keep you on the hardcopy list so that you will still get cds. We'd appreciate if you give the program a chance b/c it's so convenient and the quickest way for us to get you new music promptly but understand that not all are compatible with this. And just know that you don't have to download the music to hear it. Of course, it still requires you sitting at your computer. " Ho ho, yes! But I sill haven't received the "Progam/Player," and this internet cafe of which ye speak requires going to the (other side of) the Beeg Ceety cross the river, for something that may well not be worth the effort. I'd rather be disappointed in the comfort of my own home. But we'll see, and hopefully being kept on list for UMusic CDs means actually getting them, unlike being kept on list for Dixie Chicks CDs, on that other label, the one with the root kits, so I won't be checking out any of *their* downloads, thanks.

don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Well now, that's a good exercise in shit sandwich dressed up as a hot dog and Coke. "b/c it's so convenient and the quickest way for us to get you new music promptly..." Except it's neither convenient or that quick. Check the Netflix model of digital distribution of things much larger than music discs. The mail, the mail, the mail.

Now, if they were honest, they would be telling you that they have instituted this program in an effort to staunch leaks. Weeding out the sub-optimal and non-cost-effective is a side benefit. Cutting costs is probably optional, because the company had to pay some other firm to develop their software rights management Hitlerware.

The movie industry tried this a year or so ago, with something that the newspaper movie journalist would install as hardware in his home, attached to TV. In other words, a special player, and then the encrypted movie disc would be furnished, and a special code would have to be input. And it flopped. Movie critics, who are higher on the totem pole than musicjournos, voted it down with their feet by not cooperating.

For the benefit of milchtoasts who will go along with the plan, here
this link, again, reviewing what an entertainment company will install on your computer for the privilege of playing their music:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0547,smith,70217,22.html

Now, just multiply that by two or three times over the course of the year if you have to download different pieces of Hitlerware from other record companies. Why, they'll battle and get mixed up. And you'll be sitting at your machine wondering why it's so sl-o-o-w
and the CD tray keeps popping in and out or your computer says you no longer have a CD player, or Windows Media Player, says file not found, or incompatible coding, or something else impenetrable.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Friday, 16 June 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Word. Oh, and Ashley Monroe's debut, one of the verrry few major (?)label country releases worth writing about this year, will prob be out in late October, I've just been told. Though still no date. Will also be "slightly different," and certainly there's room for improvement, so I've also beseeched my betters for amendeded.

don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

re Toby's video, I sent Chuck a copy of this mag a while back: Nashville Music Guide. astounding illiterate free rag local to N-ville, and with photos that make *anyone*--David Frizzell looks drunk and 140 years old on the cover of the June issue, and even the unknowns like "Nickia," posing in a chair on the same page as Marty Raybn, look not so hot--worse than they really are.

anyway, their writing is all I ever aspire to, as this Editor's Note on p. 3, headlined "Toby You Are Cool, But Your Latest Video Is Not."

"I'm a big Toby Keith fan and consider myself miles removed from being in the 'Fem Nazi' group and love video's (sic) that are sexy and show gals partying in bikinis, hot pants and sexy bras." (OK, I'm halfway with him so far...) "The members of the latter group (sexy bras? naw, Fem Nazis) consider these songs and videos abusive and degrading to women, and I'm the first to say 'Hey, you need to get a life. Sex is fun and part of every western culture in the world.' (like the emphasis on western culture, man knows on what side his pita bread is olive-oiled) However the physical abuse of women is a sensitive and controversial topic. We had seen the topic in Garth Brook's (sic) video 'Thunder Rolls' and The Dixie Chicks' 'Earl Has to Die' and now in Toby Keith's latest video 'A Little Too Late' directed by Michael Salomon. Someone in A&R forget (sic) to tell Toby the former two had a basic anti-abuse message and not a pro-abuse message. Tying up a woman in a basement, threatening to hit her with a shovel, having a wooden coffin to bury her, and building a cement wall to prevent her from escaping are beyond fun. (I'll say!) The only thing I liked about the video is at the end is Toby's plea after he realizes that he has trapped himself in the basement with the brick wall he built and pleads with his girlfriend to help him. The fun part of this vide (yeah, sic, sic) comes a 'little too late.' The message of this video is "Physical Violence Against Women Is Cool', which is NOT COOL....Toby you are too good of an artist to put your name on this video."

This is the real country-music writing. I read this magazine every month, even when it is "beyond fun."

And check out this prose from "Musicians Spotlight" on "Tab Laven" by JB Bruck:
"He plays guitar for Art Garfunkel...he's been on the Tonight Show hangin' with Johnny, Doc & Ed...he's been Harry Connick Jr.'s merchandise manager...calls 'The Long & Winding Road' his favorite song & may have a little astronaut in his blood...meet the incredibly talented Tab Laven..."

But shit, now I ain't making fun of Tabatt Laven, birthplace Minneapolis; he's hung with Doc & Ed, and for real, he's also played in Art's road band with the likes of Steve Gadd, and has six women walled up in his East Nashville basement as I type this! Beyond Fun!!

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 16 June 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Toby has been listening to *GnR Lies* lately.

"I used to love her
But I had to kill her
I used to love her, Mm, yeah
But I had to kill her
I had to put her six feet under
And I can still hear her complain."

You think he'll cover "One In a Million" next?

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 16 June 2006 21:41 (twenty years ago)

I never got one of them Universal emails and I can't say I'm bumming. However: will this player thing work for Macs? I don't know if I want to know the answer to that. The whole thing is too fucking ridiculous but I reckon there's a generation of 20something journos who view it as manna in their mailbox. And Urnst is prob right about the leak paranoia. The Johnny Cash American V came with a terse borderline threatening letter about watermarking and copying etc. Still played in iTunes ok. Problematic record but the problems evaporate whenever that voice destroys everything around it--which is most of the time.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 17 June 2006 00:46 (twenty years ago)

Well yeah, if they wanta thrill the youngfolks, who think this here download is the bee's knees, I reckon it's the way to go. But it'll never last, by cracky! (No offense to the artists, but do people really want to leak Blaine Larsen and Trent Willmon? Is there a market for that, freebie or otherwise?)Edd, thsnks, it's good to know that cville writing hasn't changed since those fine specimens lovingly embalmed in Tosches' mid-70s Country. Yeah, that nasty streak in Toby did tend to come up in the interviews, once he could afford to keep bringing up all the suits who fucked with him (also lovingly embalmed, if pickled 'n' sour). Mediated in the music, as serious kidding (the vengeful crazo "living inside your radio, sending you a wakeup call"--literally, in the video!). But outta hand when he gets to "we'll put a boot in your ass"(politcal use of "we" and "you", but don't look now, it ain't him nor us, presumably). The current vid tries to joke on it at the last second, but very stewpud.His first bad video, h'mm.

don (dow), Saturday, 17 June 2006 01:10 (twenty years ago)

Well, I suppose one advantage of download-promo fascism is that it'd prevent predicamants like my current one, in which i got an advance of the new billy ray cyrus CD in the mail yesterday (which seems to include homages to lynyrd skynyrd and dale earhardt and duets with george jones and hanna montana), and i lost it before i had a chance to put it on. it's around here somewhere though, i swear.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 17 June 2006 10:57 (twenty years ago)

when you find it can you tell me if it has a song called i miss my mullet, and if it does, if its as much a peice of genius as i think it is

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:04 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I saw that on there. Track 2, I think.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:06 (twenty years ago)

found it! found my korpiklaani CD, too (they were both vertically wedged in where i couldn't see them, incorrectly alphabetized). the song's called "i want my mullet back," a country-rocker, and not bad, on first listen -- he misses his camaro and zz top eight-track too; you get the idea. "i wanna be your joe" (sort of mellencampish) sounds at least as good, as does "lonely wins," which has a dance-rock beat stretching things out and a rockabillyfied vocal and a guitar solo. the one i really hate so far is "country music's got the blues," with george jones and loretta lynn, which is just a list of dead country stars; i got two verses into that and decided to skip the rest. (so THREE eulogies to dead people; I haven't listened to the other two yet.) then i listened to the miley cyrus duet about standing up for what you believe (no specifics, natch) just 'cause i never heard her sing before and um, the song probably stinks but she sings pretty good i guess and so does her dad. then i listened to the "hidden track" (which isn't hidden on my advance), "pain in the gas," and before you say it's about time (though it probably is), note the "blame bin laden or sudan, iraq or iran." "grab that nozzle and bend over one more time" made me smile, though. and at least he does direct the song's last line to "mr. president," for whatever that's worth. (ps: julie roberts also finally in the CD changer this morning. so far, the title track "men and mascara" sounds really good, and the rest has been boring the living heck out of me. then again, how many really good songs did her debut have? two or three?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

yeah. (I posted about Eddie Hinton on the "Judy In Diguise" thread, cos your description of Butch Hornsby kinda reminded me of him, but that thread's gotten sidetracked recently,so I'd import my post to here, but I don't know how to do that)

don (dow), Sunday, 18 June 2006 02:44 (twenty years ago)

although the song is incredibly goopy, jamie johnsons the dollar, really quite moved me. i think it might be the cynical timing, cutting the sugar of an overworking father, or the usual excuse that daddy songs do me in every fucking time, or something to do with his voice, a large man with a barrel chest, and broad shoulders, his intimate barritone becomes so tender, and soft when relating the story--i think the single might be on my list

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 18 June 2006 07:42 (twenty years ago)

oh boy, hadn't thought about a singles list, although those Dierks tracks they're still working are sounding better than ever, cutting through current smog of apathy (Dog Days started early this year). Albums so far include: Jessi's Out Of The Ashes, and probably Electric Rodeo; Rebel Meets Rebel; Legendary Shack Shakers; the Gourds(the way they mess with "roots" is funny and fluent, though Serious moments can drag); Ashley Monroe, probably. (Whether the tweaked version is better or not, her album, with all its flaws, which I blame on the producers, is a piquant listening experience--good n' bad, there's nothing else quite like it, which is one of the main requirements for my Top Tens, of any genre.) Maybe Chatham County Line's Speed Of The Whipoorwill. Black Sage was recorded in 1998, I think xxhux said, so maybe one for Reissues, with Heartworn Highways, and maybe the Big Bill Broonzy box I haven't listened to yet, which comes out in Sept. Also got some indie I need to listen to, ditto the Chicks and Dylan, whenever I get 'em. Must be some major label/mainstream possiblities I'm leaving out--??

don (dow), Sunday, 18 June 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

here are my running lists, which are a mess and permanent flux. The ones that get "?" are ones where I'm probably stretching the definition of "country". (I.e., the only reason i'm listing leanne kingwell is apparently because it's gotten some country airplay.) What y'all can do is tell me where you'd draw the line with these

ALBUMS
victory brothers/ leanne kingwell? /huck johns? /carter falco/korpiklaani?? PROB TOO WAY METAL BUT IT HAS LOTS OF FOLK POLKAS FROM THE OOMPAH FOREST ON IT /dale watson /toby keith/redhill EP (PROB TOO OLD)/carrie underwood/blaine larsen/dixie chicks/penny dale/ jamey johnson /shooter jennings /riverside PROB TOO OLD/shannon brown /lucas mccain/hank davison band? /irma thomas/oddysey band /dahlia Wakefield PROB TOO OLD/ uncle billy's smokehouse/rhonda towns /red swan? /shawn camp / southwind

SINGLES
carrie underwood = before he cheats /(shooter jennings - hair of the dog)NOT A SINGLE/penny dale - gypsy cowgirl (DO MYSPACE DOWNLOADS COUNT AS SINGLES?)/samantha joe - time for summer EP TRACK/ huck johns - oh yeah (ONE OF HIS LESS COUNTRY TRACKS, SO PROBABLY NOT)/ redhill - all night long (2004 EP TRACK, TOO OLD?) /redhill - rooftop (2004 EP TRACK, TOO OLD?) /b-star "bootleg dreams" EP TRACK/ hot apple pie - easy does it/ (shooter jennings - little white lines)NOT A SINGLE/chris cagle - wal-mart parking lot/ kt tunstall - black horse (200, PROB NOT COUNTRY ENOUGH)/dierks bentley - settle for a slowdown

2006 country reissues james talley - got no bread, no milk, no money, but we sure got a lot of love: 30th anniversary edition / lazy farmer /classic country: sweet country ballads /the duhks - the duhks fonotone sampler MAYBE NOT OLD ENOUGH FOR NASHVILLE SCENE BALLOT ASSUMING THERE WILL BE SUCH A THING THIS YEAR

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)

by the way, edd was right about the first blaine larsen CD (which he sent me his extra copy of) being even better than the new one. maybe a *lot* better, and way less downcast than i'd assumed at the time given the teen-suicide hit off of it (which i really like; just don't think i could bare a whole album of such gloom.) "in my high school" is amazing (didn't christgau vote for it as a top 10 single that year?), a teenage sociology map worthy of *why music sucks.* and i love the song about being the best man at his stepdad's wedding to his mom, and then one (a la chely wright's "back of the bottom drawer") about how all your old failed relationships prepare you for the one that works, and the shawn-camp-penned one about running away from the circus to join real life (which is not country, musically; it's circus music -- like, what, "tight rope" by leon russell, maybe? but really, like a circus. where do those carnival/merrygoround type rhythms come from, anyway? i am totally clueless. i've always just thought of them as circus rhythms, but did they originate in eastern europe centuries ago or something, maybe? and blaine does them a lot more pure than leon or, say, blue magic in "sideshow" or, uh, i guess three dog night in "the show must go on" [actually i forgot how that goes] did; almost could be kurt weill or something, weird.) and the debut's mexico song is better than the new one's mexico song, and the one about preferring to watch stupid human tricks to movies is good (attention deficit country!). and i guess that's the same one (one of two convincingly humble that's-only-my-opinion songs) where he says he wishes country was more george and alan and brad, which surprisingly doesn't even come off at all stodgy or purist, maybe because neither george nor alan nor brad has ever made an album of material this solid. so edd, you say these were all actually demo versions, or based on demos, or what? can't be the former, unless merle haggard dropped in to blaine's high school one day. plus, blaine doesn't get songwriting credit on ALL the songs; only most them, and only partial credit in most cases. (i love the liner note letter from his school gal pal to her friend of the family in the music industry; wonder if that's really how he got signed?) also, dude looks like he's 12 years old!

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

and yeah, don, cdbaby lists black sage (which otherwise would be way up high on my list too) as '98. "reissue" might be stretching it (cdbaby may have posted it years ago as well), but hey, who knows?

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

and oops, the duhks *your daughter and your sons,* which came out in canada in 2002,is the one i meant might not have been recorded long enough ago for nasvhille scene poll eligibility, not the fonotone sampler (which was recorded decades ago). (don't they have some rule stipulating that reissue music must be at least five years old?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)

yeah, Himes said "at least five years old," so that's why I'd list Black Sage that way. The Fonotone sampler was recorded way before that, of course, but I got it last year, so didn't he also say like Best Of 2006 entries would have to be issued in 2006, not snuck in from ("made most of its impact in") 05, like the Voice 'llowed? Also,the only reason I didn't put the sampler on my 05 was cos it wasn't commericially available. (Or was it? Assumed not, cos single-disc Best-Of-The-Box thingies usually come out some time after the box.)Heh, slow as country songs get worked, most of this year's top Singles list will (quite legtimately) be from last year's albums, judging by last year's Singles list. (If Scene doesn't do it, we can do it here, o course, unless somebody wants to set it up with a real publication--or we could set up a blog for it.) The only one of those that I'm familiar with, that I'd xpost draw the line at, is Kingwell. yeah, some country play, but most of it, like 90% just doesn't have a country feel (musically, and also it's not neurotic enough, not in a country way). xpost circus rhythms seem like they might have some from hurdy gurdies and "street organs" (used to have an album of field recordings of the latter, from Copenhagen, etc)

don (dow), Monday, 19 June 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

so edd, you say these were all actually demo versions, or based on demos, or what? can't be the former, unless merle haggard dropped in to blaine's high school one day.

I talked to Larsen about that first record before I wrote that Scene piece, Chuck, and he told me that except for one song, which one I'd have to consult notes I don't have in front of me at the moment, that whole first album is demos. It could be that Merle's contribution (Larsen told me they've never met; it was added later, I guess) is the song that wasn't a demo? And everything I've read about that first record backs up that it was composed of demos; and if you listen, you hear that the sound quality, while perfectly fine, isn't quite what they get on 16th Ave. S. Apparently Rory Feek and Tim Johnson and Larsen made the record on their own and then, when they self-released it and they had a hit with "In My High School," I believe it was, out in Seattle, then that started the ball rolling to get with BNA--Giantslayer, whose offices you can see driving down Music Row, is basically Feek/Larsen/Johnson, set up to make records for Blaine. So I think I was accurate there. I also said in the lead of that Scene piece that he "writes many of his own songs"--to have said "co-writes many of his own songs" struck me as stylistically inelegant (Beyond Fun!!) and anyway, that a young guy like that had *any* thing to do with writing his own material for a major-label country record struck me as pretty amazing. He also told me when I talked to him that one of those "Off to" songs was just him overdubbing himself, in his garage!

I'll go back and consult my notes--I can't remember at this point which of those "Off to Join" songs was added later; and for that matter, I've never seen the original, self-released version of that one, either.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:26 (twenty years ago)

here we go, here's what happened with that first Larsen record.

and this raises a real interesting point about how things are done in Nashville. I did a thing on Mark Nevers at the same time I was working on Larsen's, and Nevers (who cut his teeth engineering at The Castle in Franklin, Tenn., one of the big ol' dinosaur recording studios, where Alan Jackson, Jones, et al ad infinitum, recorded) who's not exactly a shrinking violet in his opinions, went on about how the immaculate, or nearly so, demos that artists bring to the "real" recording session, are the blueprint for the finished product and thus preclude any deviation or looseness. In other words, the demos are basically almost as good as what you hear on the radio, and this seems to be the case with Larsen--they were done here but probably weren't done in a totally top-flight tracking room. One man's demo is another man's super-audio...anyway, below is the story, from something BNA sent me. Larsen throughout my talk with him referred to the songs that ended up on "Off to Join" as "demos." I probably should've quoted him directly!

the 18-year old Larsen recorded and was set to release his debut album, "In My High School" on his producer's own independent label "Giantslayer Records." When a Seattle-based BMG distribution employee emailed the label head of RLG Nashville, Joe Galante, Galante liked what he heard and signed Blaine to the label. But instead of recording an "all new" album as is usually done, BNA asked them to record one more track and also added Merle Haggard to one song. They changed the artwork and title.

The new song is one which was previously recorded by Jerry Kilgore, "That's All I've Got To Say About That"

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:58 (twenty years ago)

Wow, cool. And thanks for the info, Edd. And just to be clear, I wasn't accusing you in any way of innacuracy (and hadn't read your Scene piece, actually); I was just trying to figure out for myself how they could be demos. (How, for instance, he got ahold of a Shawn Camp song. Though for all I know they know each other, or that's a cover version, or none of the above. And cdbaby addict that I am, I totally agree with you as far as self-released records having professional sound quality indistinguishable to non-studiophile ears like mine from Nashville; real often, I can't tell the difference.) (Still, "self-released" isn't *exactly* the same as "demo" in my book, especially not when there's an actual regional hit involved. I tend to think of demos as CD-R's with no CD cover or name, and half the time with words magic-markered intelligibly on the disc itself!)

Don, you're right about the Nasvhille Scene poll literal release date rule; technically, Carrie Underwood's not qualified for my list either, I guess. Doesn't necessarily mean I won't (or wouldn't) vote for her; literal release date rules are dumb! That said, I still think I'd have a hard time voting for an eight-year-old album I didn't hear until this year as a "reissue" if it was never actually reissued. (But that's my own self-limiting rule, not yours o'course.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 23:13 (twenty years ago)

>words magic-markered intelligibly <

(or unintelligibly, as the case may be.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 23:17 (twenty years ago)

yeah, Chuck, I didn't think you were givin' me a hard time; and when I talked to Larsen, I went, huh? when he said that first CD was demos! I made him say it again. and shit, I wish I had written down what song he said was just him on that first record, too. what's so interesting about Nashville is just the level of everyday excellence in performing, songwriting and recording, where a demo sounds great (and I don't profess to have super-ears, just pretty good ones--a lotta times I go visit my buddy Blair Keso, who's a real tech guy who can tell me what mic someone used, what techniques were used to record, etc., and he has quite possibly the best fuckin' turntable/amps/speakers/CD players I've ever heard, and I remember playing Dierks Bentley's last one there and hearing how tinny it sounded--it sounded tinny at my place on my quite serviceable setup, but his equipment is unforgiving).

I'm just real interested in *how* things are done here--and I am lucky to have visited Nevers' little house off 8th Ave. S. and seen the stuff he uses. And on the new PF Sloan record recorded here at Jon Tiven's, you can hear how what seems to be not-great equipment hobbles that record. As Keso pointed out to me, you can rent the world's greatest, hot-rodded mics here in N-ville, so if you have even a decent budget there's kinda no excuse for things to sound less than great. Not that I totally believe in all that pristine stuff, but I do appreciate it. No matter what anyone might say about the actual music or songs on a typical big-labe N-ville record, they mostly sound great, altho Nevers maintains that they've become more compressed than necessary, more pinched-sounding, as labels became somewhat less singles-driven (therefore, they want everything to be potentially a single, and master/mix/compress everything to fit into radio bandwidths far more than they used to).

It really hasn't been a great year for big-label country so far, has it? I forget, did Carrie's record come out late last year? What about Allison Moorer's record? No Depression gave it a good review, ditto Chris Neal in the Scene; I frankly haven't had the heart to listen to it, since I disliked her last depressive Stones/Aerosmith ripoff so much. And she's married to Steve Earle? How is that, for god's sake? And I tried to like Ralph Stanley's new collection of Carter Family songs, but I just can't get into it at all.

So far, Jessi Colter's record might be my fave, followed by Jamey Johnson's debut, followed by Blaine L.

And Talley's reissue, that's amazing.

I don't know right now if there's been any thought put into the Scene's country poll. I guess I could find out. I am supposed to go have a beer with Tracy Moore the new Scene music editor at some point soon, and maybe I'll ask her then.

I do know that the best *record* MADE in Nashville I have heard so far this year is Lone Official's "Tuckassee Take." A Nevers production. And OK, I am a well-known sucker for that sound of Television-style guitars and Pavement semi-skronk, and this record definitely plays off those conventions, but I swear it's an impossibly elegant record, with gorgeous pedal steel that's used intelligently and organically, and thematically, it's about as southern-fried as you can get--the leader Matt Button hails from Looieville Ky. and is obsessed with horseracing, betting, and feeling bereft in the Big City of Nashville, and I think he's an amazing, droll lyricist, and the record sounds amazing. I mean, most Nashville pop bands are so lame--there's a crop of them right now that everyone's raving about, like Lylas, the Pink Spiders, the Clutters, and many more, and try as I might they all sound like the Zombies deballed. No meaningful eccentricity, all toeing the indie partyline, where, to my ears, Lone Offical sound genuinely nuts, genuinely obsessed...and you know me, I often think Nashville lacks true obsession when it comes to pop music, real mania. (We're back now to the overly apollonian demo-thing.)

But I stray from country, and now back to giving Ronnie's CD one last spin before I do my final draft.


edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

My lists might be more varied if I was on any promo lists; I tend to cherrypick from what I glean from CMT, and buy the albums myself. No order yet.

Singles:
"Life Ain't Always Beautiful," Gary Allan
"Are You Sincere," Bobby Bare
"Settle for a Slowdown," Dierks Bentley
"Believe," Brooks & Dunn
"Living In Fast Forward," Kenny Chesney
"Can't Let Go," Anthony Hamilton*
"Bring It On Home," Little Big Town
"I Still Miss Someone," Martina McBride with Dolly Parton
"When the Stars Go Blue," Tim McGraw
"The Seashores of Old Mexico," George Strait
"Your Man," Josh Turner
"Don't Forget to Remember Me," Carrie Underwood

*Haven't decided if I'm actually gonna include this - I mean, to me he's pretty gutbucket soul, which says/signifies country to me. Anyone else? I mean, I know his last album got some Scene votes...

Albums:
Taking the Long Way, Dixie Chicks
Brokeback Mountain, Soundtrack**
Precious Memories, Alan Jackson
The Road to Here, Little Big Town
Greatest Hits, Volume 2, Tim McGraw***
Your Man, Josh Turner
Stand Still Look Pretty, the Wreckers
Living with War, Neil Young**

**Technically December '05, I think. Voting for it anyway. If there's a poll, that is.
***Technically this isn't a reissue? That's how I'd classify it, but...
****Again, not sure if I'd call this country, but it's kinda got that feel, at least in spots.

Reissues:
16 Biggest Hits, Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash
(That's all so far, though the Big Bill Broonzy box thing might make it on.)

Anyone know how best to get on promo lists, particularly from companies that still send out little shiny metal discs via the mail?

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Promo lists: I dunno, sometimes it just happens. Send a million emails to a million publicity departments, and you may get on a few. Right now, I'm trying to figure out how to get *back* onto promo lists that I was on only a couple months ago, when I was employed.

Today's mail looks promising, though, from a country perspective, and I'm guessing may well effect my year-end reissues ballot:

Tom T Hall *The Definitive Collection* (Hip-O) (Lots of overlap from *The Essential Tom T Hall,* it looks like, but quite a few tracks differ, and that was on vinyl and this one's a CD so there you go)

Ronnie Milsap *My Life* (see below)

Povertyneck Hillbillies *Povertyneck Hillbillies* (on Rust Records out of Ohio; their first "national" album, supposedly, though most if not all of the songs if not recordings look like they're repeated from the locally released Pittsburgh album *Don't Look Back* I mentioned up above, which I swear was in no way a demo to my ears.)

Johnny Rodriguez *20th Century Masters: The Millenium Collection* (this is the one I'm most excited about! I've always wondered about him, and never heard enough to have an opinion. We'll see. Oddly, he appears to have the same haircut as Ronnie Milsap on HIS CD cover.) (I'm excited about the Milsap, too. Edd, I'm just curious: Any idea what Milsap's *nationality* is? These photos are making me curious.)

The 2006 (mostly) country reissue I've still yet to get to the bottom of (thanks to it having two discs and 46 songs) is the Yazoo *The Stuff That Dreams Are Made Of* comp I mention way upthread somewhere. That could wind up on my list, if I ever decide one way or another whether it's got enough songs I need to keep on my shelf.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

The Milsap is his new one, xhuxk?
And rather than wade through the 1K+ messages upthread, what do you (and anyone else) think of the Yazoo comp (so far)? I've been flirting with that one...

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, that's my whole point; I dunno. Seems way too daunting to try to play it start to end, but in my 5 CD changer it's hard to get a grasp on what I've heard and what I haven't. There are definitely some great tracks though. Just this morning I decided that I absolutely prefer "Wild Cat Rag" by Asa Martin & Roy Hobbs to "Sweet Mama" by Yank Rachel with Sleepy John Estes and Jim Jones, fwiw. (As for what I say about it upthead, why not just search the CD's name?)

And yeah, that's the new Milsap. Sounds good so far!


And Thomas, Matt Cibula talks about Anthony Hamilton in re: country upthead. And Little Big Town's album is technically old, from last fall; I voted for it last year, though I wish I'd rated it higher. (And Edd, yeah, Carrie Underwear came out around Thanksgiving I think. The problem with these dumb literal release date rules in critics' polls is that late-year releases tend to get screwed, especially when they're the sort of pop-oriented albums which don't really make their greatness known until they break a couple hit singles. Which is why Pazz&Jop stopped using the rule back in 1979.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 17:47 (twenty years ago)

what the heck, Thomas, here's me upthead (i.e., not much, and since I left "That" out of the title it might've been hard to search):

>Also slowly exploring the two-disc, R Crumb-artworked new Yazoo comp *The Stuff Dreams are Made Of: The Dead Sea Scrolls of Record Collecting!: Super Rarities and Unisseued Gems of the 1920s and 1930s.* Quite a hodgepodge, united as the title suggests not by genre but merely by how hard the records are to find, never a good sign, but I'm liking pretty much all of it regardless and loving lots of it, including tracks by Dock Boggs, Andrew & Jim Baxter, Ollis Martinn, the Three Stripped Gears, and especially Wilmer Watts and the Lonely Eagles. Those are all on disc 1; haven't touched disc 2 yet. <

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, xhuxk. And yeah, dumb me forgot about Little Big Town being '05; same thing with Carrie's album (which, fortunately, I voted for last year). I'm so with you on the whole literal release date thing, grrrr. Heck, if that doesn't apply this year, I'll vote for Carrie's album again, and it'll probably be my #1 (in the Scene poll, I mean).

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Well, I woudn't have followed Himes's literal release date "rule" (I'd already broken several of his rules in prev years, big shit), but did follow the thought that the Fonototone sampler was promo-only, at that point, since box samplers usually come out later, once the bloom is off the geek fever,if any(as far as I knew, but should have followed up that thought by checking). xpost remember Rosanne Cash's 10-Song Demo? She also said it was the exec's idea to put that out, rather than re-recording. Dunno about Nashville, but Kate Bush and others have said they've been frustrated by inability to transfer the basic feel of the demo to the Real Studio product, which might be one reason she takes so long (so why doesn't *she* put out demos? Hooked on the grandiosity of R.S.? Maybe she feels as committed to the system as most of the remaining major label country stars, and those who are so determined to be major, etc., at least at this point). (Good thread about Dynamic Range Compression, that's in the title.) xpost Tuckassee Take: that's the Lone Official's T for Tucky, T for Tennessee take on things, eh? Yeah, my old Kentucky Woman, b. in TN, is as passionate, talented, "nuts and eccentric" as can be, and I sure do miss her. But even at a presumably safe distance--well yall know email was made for moodswings and mine/mindfield tirades (but I'll have to check out the L.O. for sure)

don (dow), Tuesday, 20 June 2006 23:54 (twenty years ago)

what nationality is Ronnie Milsap? good question. he almost looks like he's got some "native American" (don't know what else to call it) in him. he grew up in the western part of N. Carolina, and went to a school for the blind in Raleigh. so, could be he's part Cherokee or something?

his "Day in the Life of America" is pretty great on the new 'un; sort of an answer record to Lee Dorsey's great "God Must Have Blessed America" from his last LP, "Night People" (which has been reissued on CD, and highly recommended to those who're like me and can't get enough Allen Toussaint). (and musing on Lee and Allen and country music the other day over a few beers with friends, we decided that Lee Dorsey could've easily applied his liquid voice to country music! there's nothing on the face of the earth that makes me happier than hearing Lee Dorsey sing.)

and good point about Carrie U. and end-of-year stuff. One record I forgot to mention that I really like is Shawn Camp's "Fireball." Excellent piece on him in the new No Depression--I had no idea of the breadth of his talent and accomplishments. Goes hunting with John Anderson, has songs covered by Blake Shelton, hung out with and wrote songs with Roger Miller's son, plays a mean mandolin and guitar, was a respected sideman, and got his second album axed by his label because it didn't sound like John Michael Montgomery! G. Himes did a piece on Shawn for the Scene and I originally thought Himes had really overstated his case; I still think he overstated it a little bit, but that's a really fine record, sorta the modern Billy Swan I guess.

Finally, heard from Yuval Taylor, who's writing a book on the '70s and is somehow making a connection between Big Star's Radio City, Gary Stewart's Your Place or Mine and John Prine's Common Sense. I had made Yuval a burn of that great Stoney Edwards LP, "Mississippi You're on My Mind," and he declared, "Man, that is the greatest country record of the '70s!" It's so nice to have friends who are such enthusiasts.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 01:04 (twenty years ago)


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