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Johnnie Taylor was the king of Jody songs. "Standing In for Jody" and "Jody's Got Your Girl and Gone" are just two; I mean every song he does is kind of about Jody-ism in some way or another. I am a nut for Johnnie Taylor (I like Johnny Taylor a lot, too, and Ted Taylor, the Louisiana soul singer, is also excellent--so I think an EMP paper on the Sooper Taylors would be good!!), and Taylor is also the king of fucking-around songs. There are these nifty new Stax reissues that includes stuff by Frederick Knight, the Dramatics, etc., and if you ask me one of the very best Stax albums-as-albums is Johnnie's "Who's Making Love," which is the typical collection of singles but which really has variety and which totally hangs together. "Hold On This Time" has a great Cropper riff, cubist guitar, and "Woman Across the River" is one of the best Stax blues ever.

I only know the older, cunnilingual and happy to oblige, ma'am, Marvin Sease stuff--he's really good. "Marvin Sease" on London from late '80s is a good 'un. One of those artists who've been working the I-55 corridor from Memphis to the Louisiana border, forever.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Well, a Taylors EMP report would probably be really interesting, but I was thinking (theoretically, not volunteering!) more in terms of one about Jody himself. Who was he? And how far back do Jody songs go? Did Johnnie Taylor invent them? Or does Jody show up in blue songs during World War II or something? Was he a real person, like maybe Stagger Lee? (Was Shine who swam the Titanic a real person? I forget.) Seems like real *Mystery Train* mythology stuff, and I'm surprised nobody has tackled the research (unless they have and I just didn't notice, which is very possible. I haven't even done a google search.) (Also, do I only associate Jody with making cuckolds of military guys stationed overseas because I was *in* the military, and he was always showing up in cadences used while marching and/or running? Or is that his main deal? And otherwise, to what extent if any does he exist outside of the culture of Southern blacks--who, when I was in, seemed to make up a sizable portion of the Army?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 14:33 (twenty years ago)

This could really be hella interesting, absolutely. Is "Trapped in the Closet" the Ulysses of Jody songs?

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:34 (twenty years ago)

Trent Willmon's debut was one of my faves of last year (though it actually came out October '04). "Beer Man" is kinda by-the-numbers but still worth a kick; "Dixie Rose Deluxe's..." is a brilliant list-y thing with a different spin on just what a man will do for a pretty girl; "Home Sweet Holiday Inn" is effective enough of a tearjerker that Holiday Inn actually licensed it (after the fact) (even though it's about custody agreements and divorce!). The rest of the album is sprinkled with equal parts good Texas honky-tonk - well, as much as Sony Nashville'd allow, at least - and some sub-Billy Currington blandness. But overall, great stuff. The first single off his new one is kinda in the same blandness ballpark, but I'm just happy as hell he even got to make another one; I picked up the first one in a cutout bin for $0.99, and there were at least 10 more copies there after I picked mine up.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Here's some info I found while googling Jody songs:

http://soulfuldetroit.com/archives/10238/9918.html?1079610632

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)

x-post. Taylor didn't invent the Jody song. Jody / Jodie / Joe the Grinder are pretty common figures in blues tunes.There's Louis Armstrong's "Jodie Man" which makes the "GI Joe de man" connection explicit. I wouldn't be surprised if that military connection is at the origin, though it's obviously gone through lots of transformations.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'd forgotten Joe The Grinder. I used to own a copy of that *Get Your Ass in the Water and Swim Like Me* prison-rap comp (on Smithsonian or Rounder or something?), and I think there might even be a Joe the Grinder rhyme on there (I *may* even have mentioned it in the pre-rap rap chapter of my second book). Anyway, this link from the link above has great stuff about Jody Army cadences; also says Johnnie Taylor himself learned about Jody while in the military:

http://p211.ezboard.com/fwordoriginsorgfrm4.showMessage?topicID=153.topic

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

Matt and Thomas, interesting that you both like Trent Willmon, or liked his last album anyway. His new one just strikes me as really stodgy and immobile. Like I said, the songs are there; I'm just not convinced the singer is. Dude just plain doesn't seem like he'd be much fun to have a beer with. He seems all work and no play, no matter how much the words try to convince me otherwise. But if you hear it and like it, definitely tell me what I should go back to.

xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Willmon's new one came out yesterday, xhuxk? If so, I'll pick it up this weekend. I won't be entirely surprised if I agree with you on this one, considering I wouldn't be surprised if the label (Sony Nashville) straitjacketed him into a bunch of more "commercial" songs to get some sort of return on their investment (nothing from his first record went top 30 on the country singles chart, and they tried four different singles). I'll be sad - I think his first one showed plenty of personality, and I liked that he wrote little liner notes for each song on the CD - but I won't be shocked.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Just got an announcment from Universal Nashville, they're going to all-download-only promos.

don (dow), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 23:18 (twenty years ago)

was that in an email, don? i don't think i got one (but then, i may not be on universal nashville's emailing list now; i'm not sure.) either way, an ominous omen for the future, as far as i'm concerned.

three things i learned while reading a kelefa sanneh review in the times this morning:
1) "someone is me" on blaine larsen's album (the clean-up-exurbia song, which for some reason i kept calling "someone LIKE me" above when really its title means "i AM somebody") is apparently also a track on the new kenny rogers album.
2) a cover of "girl next door" by saving jane, the original of which i still don't think i've ever heard, has apparently been added to the new julie roberts album, though it's still not on the advance CD i have, which i've barely listened to at all because i keep forgetting i have it because it was sent in one of those long skinny cardboard greeting-card-like sleeves that record companies send advance promos in sometimes and that hides it from my eyes.
3) trace adkins apparently also did a version of "break down here," off julie roberts's first album. i bet it wasn't as good as hers.

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 12:47 (twenty years ago)

"Hello to all, Universal Music is proud to announce, effective immediately, the digital distribution of all advance and final music via email and the Promo Only program/player. Most of you are probably familiar with this delivery in working with our sister labels (Interscope, Geffen, Verve, etc...)" Goes on to say we will "receive a 'welcome' email that will walk you through registering. Should you have any questions or problems with the system, feel free to submit your feedback through the specified links that will appear at the bottom of each email notice." I'm sure that will work like a charm. Oh, speaking of ol' obsolete promos, anybody ever get a new release date for Ashley Monroe???? (Yeah, I keep forgetting about Julie, got that about the same time as Ashley; seen Julie's new vid a couple times, looks and sounds pretty undistinguished)

don (dow), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Wait, but that doesn't say promos will *only* be sent via download, does it? Only that you *can* download them. I mean, it doesn't say they're going to stop snailmailing them. Or am I reading it wrong?

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

im listening ot the new blaine larsen, i like the writing, but im not sure i like the rest...

can we talk about the sexual politics of the new toby video

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 15 June 2006 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Anthony, why do you always ask permission to talk about everything?
No offense, but that really drives me nuts. Just talk about it, like everybody else! (I mean, do you really think anybody is going to say, "No! We definitely CANNOT talk about the sexual politics of the new Toby video"?)(I dunno, maybe it's a Canadian politeness thing.) (Riddle: How do you get 50 drunken Canadians out of your swimming pool? Answer: Ask them nicely to get out of your swimming pool.)

So I just got got emailed the new Julie Roberts CD from Mercury, downloadable via links. So maybe Don is right. A wave of the future. There goes my daily walking-to-the-mailbox-down-the-block exercise.

xhukx (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Hell no, you can't talk about it, unless you voted for the new Canadian Conservative regime, and are going back to Iraq with Toby! I assumed, when they xpost said "all advance and final music via email and Promo Only program player," they meant ALL, ONLY--but, now that you mention it, maybe not! Let's ask! Although I never got that much from them anyway, I did review what I got, like Shelly, Terri. So would be good not to have to screw with downloads, since this ol computer don't digest 'em very well. They've been sending those regular email downloads for a while, but those were just individual tracks, weren't they. Anyway, I'll ask Amber.

don (dow), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:27 (twenty years ago)

Wait, that Toby video, you mean where he's sealing her in behind a brick wall, only turns out he's bricked HISSELF in? And she gets all disgusted at his male incompetence and goes upstairs. That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen, although the song is okay. (I nail his sexual politics in "Friendly Ghost Of A Mullet," see Voice archive.)

don (dow), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

hmmm....doesn't seem to be up on youtube yet (though the song title might help), but speaking of sexual politics, i did find this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqbGru-1sq0&search=toby%20keith

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

all advance and final music via email and the Promo Only program/player

Why do you guys even care? It's not like you're going to do anything about it, like write something pointed and critical. "Here, take this shit and eat it" -- is what that p.r. statement says. Why not ask how much and what color?

"Promo Only program/player" is another piece of digital rights management software you get to download to your machine for the "privilege" of listening to a promotional copy. Yeah, sure, the company is going to make available unencumbered digital music files.

You're so used to having sand kicked in your face, now you've come to like it.

Oh, heavens, they'll take me off their e-mail list if I complain, then I won't even get the tips to the promo links.

You wanna bet they continue sending CDs to newspapers? They know the people on staff get flooded with material and, boy, isn't it smart to just give them a reason to ignore your product because the day's already too long and corporate network rules frowns on the downloading of outside executables to the system?

Some of you might want to consider, once you've downloaded a bunch of different firm's "audio content managers," what that means to your operating system when you're trying to listen to music that ISN'T mediated by either of them. Or what if the same piece of music is mediated by both at the same time?

Oh, my computer acts squirrelly now! Even more than usual! It runs slower and slower. It crashed and I had to get someone to make it work again. Now I can hardly play any music at all on it.

Yes, ask the P.r. person. They'll certainly tell you the unadorned truth and make your life easier.

Don't be mean, now. Don't say you're doing a story. You'll get taken off the digital promo list. You'll be deemed not cost effective and sub-worthless. Ow-ow-ow-ow-ow!

xpost

I want to know where the youtube post of "Haji Girl" is.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

its creepy, has a sort of silence of the lambs vibe, there are sections wwhere it looks like he is going to rape and kill her, and then all of a sudden, he bricks himself in and well yeah he makes it a funny...

truly odd

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

xp: nah, I doubt I'll be downloading much if any of what I'm sent, Urnst. And I've got no qualms about telling the labels that, if they ask; I've got nothing to lose if they're not gonna mail me their shit regardless. I'll listen to that Julie Roberts thing on the CD I got sent three months ago. Next one, I may just skip. Which just means I'll have more time for cdbaby and myspace bands (most of whom, oddly, have no qualms about snailmailing promo CDs. And you don't need anything fancy to hear their stuff online, either.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Hooray I am in the US but at an internet caff so just a quick mention that the sleeve of Ted Taylor's "Keeping My Head Above Water" is one of my favourite soul covers ever: he's up to his neck in a sewer and has a cute little green frog on his shoulder. Not his best record, though, as I remember. Nothing as good as "She's Got A Munchy Tunchy" or "(I'm Just A Crumb In Your) Breadbox of Love".

I've been listening a lot to Toby's "Pull My Chain" as recommended upthread and I like it a lot, which is only really strange because each successive song seems to be am essay in the kind of thing I don't relly like. But I can persuade myself that the strength of the material pulls it through. I should probably stop worrying about it really and get on with enjoying it.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:54 (twenty years ago)

yeah, I got that same e-mail from Universal. I'll give Lauren a call there and see what the ding-dang deal is. I mean I have fucking dial-up and so it's slow; and I don't have any kind of great speakers set up with my Mac or anything.

I thought Kelefa did a good job on Blaine and Julie, but don't know about "Someone Is Me" as "fogeyish." I guess I don't get "exurbia" exactly, either, but more "lower middle classville" or something, which might be more or less the same thing in the Pacific Northwest where Laren's from? And of course I find the bit about folks looking askance at BL as he prays in a diner a bit perplexing, like Blaine's gonna strike a big blow for acceptance of Christianity in exurbia? Which for me really locates Blaine in some other place than the traditional country-audience area--like the Pacific Northwest, where I'm sure there are far more agnostics and "freethinkers" than here in Tennessee or Indiana or wherever. Or am I offbase here, can we talk about it...?

I cannot bring myself to listen to Julie Roberts right now...but I do kinda like this Hacienda Bros. record, "What's Wrong with Right," where they cover "Cry Like a Baby" and the Intruders' (?) "Cowboys to Girls." not much of a singer, but a good groove.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 15 June 2006 23:32 (twenty years ago)

And you don't need anything fancy to hear their stuff online, either.

That's for sure. They even have mercy on the dial-up connection. Perhaps they know where their audience is and wish to optimize opportunities.

Anyway, that distro plan would automatically bite it on a dial-up. Hey, digital rights management and I don't see why, a year from now, they just ask ya for your credit card so they can charge you a nominal record-keeping fee for the privilege.

Now kids on their schools broadband or mom and pop's broadband, that's cool. Do the job from the Internet caff. You'll have all the broadband you need and just pay the caff's timeshare and you can download that promo copy and listen to it in the shop. Hey, I'm at the Internet caff right now maxing to the Witchfinder General live in '83 recording.

Let's just contact the p.r. ladies and get this all straightened out.
But it was such a jolly e-mail. "Hello to all, Universal Music is proud to announce" and you will get a "welcome." Roll out the welcome mat!

oddly, have no qualms about snailmailing promo CDs

No doubt because they're not part of a set of corporate "achievements" someone wants to be able to put in a memo at the end of the year.

(1) To fight leaks and cut costs, maximized use of technology by moving all promotional distribution to copy-protected downloads on the Internet.

Truly odd, this is a piece of malice, with a sort of silence of the lambs vibe.


George Smith (Urnst Kouch), Friday, 16 June 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)

Hey Tim, glad I didn't lead you astray with Pull My Chain. He seems to be trying to get back to that approach, which always was his approach, basically (with "Courtesy Of The Red White And Blue" and "The Taliban Song" extreme extentions of his novelty-paranoid-macho, which is there in the ballads too, or some of 'em). But none of the songs I've heard (haven't heard all of) Honky Tonk U (resting or White Trash With Money have grabbed me, not like the old stuff. So I'd suggest that you might *try* working your way backwards: def. How Do You Like Me Now?!, then Dream Walkin' (may not have punctuated those titles quite right), Blue Moon; heck, even Boom Town, and maybe the first (self-titled), although I don't remember that one too well.

don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 02:52 (twenty years ago)

anthony, i can see where you're coming from with the toby video, the first time i watched it i just kept waiting (and hoping) for the "catch" b/c the buildup is really sadistic and actually made me squirm a little - seeing the girl tied up and struggling, no matter how badly she jilted him, is more than a little unnerving, so when the punchline comes at the end it's almost more of a relief than anything else.

wondering too how much of the intended audience gets the reference to cask of amontillado - there's been several pop culture nods to it in the past (the simpons comes to mind), so maybe it's become such a part of the lexicon that the source doesn't matter anymore.

Josh Love (screamapillar), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:04 (twenty years ago)

i totally didnt get the poe reference, but the shovel bit is what really upset me, and that the trough looks like a coffin

i think that toby is going from strength to strength, though i like the early work, he has grown in sophistcation and delivery

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 16 June 2006 03:42 (twenty years ago)

George/Ulrich, you will be disgusted to know that I did indeed go crawling to the throne of my contact, and she decreed" We will keep you on the hardcopy list so that you will still get cds. We'd appreciate if you give the program a chance b/c it's so convenient and the quickest way for us to get you new music promptly but understand that not all are compatible with this. And just know that you don't have to download the music to hear it. Of course, it still requires you sitting at your computer. " Ho ho, yes! But I sill haven't received the "Progam/Player," and this internet cafe of which ye speak requires going to the (other side of) the Beeg Ceety cross the river, for something that may well not be worth the effort. I'd rather be disappointed in the comfort of my own home. But we'll see, and hopefully being kept on list for UMusic CDs means actually getting them, unlike being kept on list for Dixie Chicks CDs, on that other label, the one with the root kits, so I won't be checking out any of *their* downloads, thanks.

don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Well now, that's a good exercise in shit sandwich dressed up as a hot dog and Coke. "b/c it's so convenient and the quickest way for us to get you new music promptly..." Except it's neither convenient or that quick. Check the Netflix model of digital distribution of things much larger than music discs. The mail, the mail, the mail.

Now, if they were honest, they would be telling you that they have instituted this program in an effort to staunch leaks. Weeding out the sub-optimal and non-cost-effective is a side benefit. Cutting costs is probably optional, because the company had to pay some other firm to develop their software rights management Hitlerware.

The movie industry tried this a year or so ago, with something that the newspaper movie journalist would install as hardware in his home, attached to TV. In other words, a special player, and then the encrypted movie disc would be furnished, and a special code would have to be input. And it flopped. Movie critics, who are higher on the totem pole than musicjournos, voted it down with their feet by not cooperating.

For the benefit of milchtoasts who will go along with the plan, here
this link, again, reviewing what an entertainment company will install on your computer for the privilege of playing their music:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0547,smith,70217,22.html

Now, just multiply that by two or three times over the course of the year if you have to download different pieces of Hitlerware from other record companies. Why, they'll battle and get mixed up. And you'll be sitting at your machine wondering why it's so sl-o-o-w
and the CD tray keeps popping in and out or your computer says you no longer have a CD player, or Windows Media Player, says file not found, or incompatible coding, or something else impenetrable.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Friday, 16 June 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Word. Oh, and Ashley Monroe's debut, one of the verrry few major (?)label country releases worth writing about this year, will prob be out in late October, I've just been told. Though still no date. Will also be "slightly different," and certainly there's room for improvement, so I've also beseeched my betters for amendeded.

don (dow), Friday, 16 June 2006 20:42 (twenty years ago)

re Toby's video, I sent Chuck a copy of this mag a while back: Nashville Music Guide. astounding illiterate free rag local to N-ville, and with photos that make *anyone*--David Frizzell looks drunk and 140 years old on the cover of the June issue, and even the unknowns like "Nickia," posing in a chair on the same page as Marty Raybn, look not so hot--worse than they really are.

anyway, their writing is all I ever aspire to, as this Editor's Note on p. 3, headlined "Toby You Are Cool, But Your Latest Video Is Not."

"I'm a big Toby Keith fan and consider myself miles removed from being in the 'Fem Nazi' group and love video's (sic) that are sexy and show gals partying in bikinis, hot pants and sexy bras." (OK, I'm halfway with him so far...) "The members of the latter group (sexy bras? naw, Fem Nazis) consider these songs and videos abusive and degrading to women, and I'm the first to say 'Hey, you need to get a life. Sex is fun and part of every western culture in the world.' (like the emphasis on western culture, man knows on what side his pita bread is olive-oiled) However the physical abuse of women is a sensitive and controversial topic. We had seen the topic in Garth Brook's (sic) video 'Thunder Rolls' and The Dixie Chicks' 'Earl Has to Die' and now in Toby Keith's latest video 'A Little Too Late' directed by Michael Salomon. Someone in A&R forget (sic) to tell Toby the former two had a basic anti-abuse message and not a pro-abuse message. Tying up a woman in a basement, threatening to hit her with a shovel, having a wooden coffin to bury her, and building a cement wall to prevent her from escaping are beyond fun. (I'll say!) The only thing I liked about the video is at the end is Toby's plea after he realizes that he has trapped himself in the basement with the brick wall he built and pleads with his girlfriend to help him. The fun part of this vide (yeah, sic, sic) comes a 'little too late.' The message of this video is "Physical Violence Against Women Is Cool', which is NOT COOL....Toby you are too good of an artist to put your name on this video."

This is the real country-music writing. I read this magazine every month, even when it is "beyond fun."

And check out this prose from "Musicians Spotlight" on "Tab Laven" by JB Bruck:
"He plays guitar for Art Garfunkel...he's been on the Tonight Show hangin' with Johnny, Doc & Ed...he's been Harry Connick Jr.'s merchandise manager...calls 'The Long & Winding Road' his favorite song & may have a little astronaut in his blood...meet the incredibly talented Tab Laven..."

But shit, now I ain't making fun of Tabatt Laven, birthplace Minneapolis; he's hung with Doc & Ed, and for real, he's also played in Art's road band with the likes of Steve Gadd, and has six women walled up in his East Nashville basement as I type this! Beyond Fun!!

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 16 June 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Toby has been listening to *GnR Lies* lately.

"I used to love her
But I had to kill her
I used to love her, Mm, yeah
But I had to kill her
I had to put her six feet under
And I can still hear her complain."

You think he'll cover "One In a Million" next?

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 16 June 2006 21:41 (twenty years ago)

I never got one of them Universal emails and I can't say I'm bumming. However: will this player thing work for Macs? I don't know if I want to know the answer to that. The whole thing is too fucking ridiculous but I reckon there's a generation of 20something journos who view it as manna in their mailbox. And Urnst is prob right about the leak paranoia. The Johnny Cash American V came with a terse borderline threatening letter about watermarking and copying etc. Still played in iTunes ok. Problematic record but the problems evaporate whenever that voice destroys everything around it--which is most of the time.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 17 June 2006 00:46 (twenty years ago)

Well yeah, if they wanta thrill the youngfolks, who think this here download is the bee's knees, I reckon it's the way to go. But it'll never last, by cracky! (No offense to the artists, but do people really want to leak Blaine Larsen and Trent Willmon? Is there a market for that, freebie or otherwise?)Edd, thsnks, it's good to know that cville writing hasn't changed since those fine specimens lovingly embalmed in Tosches' mid-70s Country. Yeah, that nasty streak in Toby did tend to come up in the interviews, once he could afford to keep bringing up all the suits who fucked with him (also lovingly embalmed, if pickled 'n' sour). Mediated in the music, as serious kidding (the vengeful crazo "living inside your radio, sending you a wakeup call"--literally, in the video!). But outta hand when he gets to "we'll put a boot in your ass"(politcal use of "we" and "you", but don't look now, it ain't him nor us, presumably). The current vid tries to joke on it at the last second, but very stewpud.His first bad video, h'mm.

don (dow), Saturday, 17 June 2006 01:10 (twenty years ago)

Well, I suppose one advantage of download-promo fascism is that it'd prevent predicamants like my current one, in which i got an advance of the new billy ray cyrus CD in the mail yesterday (which seems to include homages to lynyrd skynyrd and dale earhardt and duets with george jones and hanna montana), and i lost it before i had a chance to put it on. it's around here somewhere though, i swear.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 17 June 2006 10:57 (twenty years ago)

when you find it can you tell me if it has a song called i miss my mullet, and if it does, if its as much a peice of genius as i think it is

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:04 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I saw that on there. Track 2, I think.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:06 (twenty years ago)

found it! found my korpiklaani CD, too (they were both vertically wedged in where i couldn't see them, incorrectly alphabetized). the song's called "i want my mullet back," a country-rocker, and not bad, on first listen -- he misses his camaro and zz top eight-track too; you get the idea. "i wanna be your joe" (sort of mellencampish) sounds at least as good, as does "lonely wins," which has a dance-rock beat stretching things out and a rockabillyfied vocal and a guitar solo. the one i really hate so far is "country music's got the blues," with george jones and loretta lynn, which is just a list of dead country stars; i got two verses into that and decided to skip the rest. (so THREE eulogies to dead people; I haven't listened to the other two yet.) then i listened to the miley cyrus duet about standing up for what you believe (no specifics, natch) just 'cause i never heard her sing before and um, the song probably stinks but she sings pretty good i guess and so does her dad. then i listened to the "hidden track" (which isn't hidden on my advance), "pain in the gas," and before you say it's about time (though it probably is), note the "blame bin laden or sudan, iraq or iran." "grab that nozzle and bend over one more time" made me smile, though. and at least he does direct the song's last line to "mr. president," for whatever that's worth. (ps: julie roberts also finally in the CD changer this morning. so far, the title track "men and mascara" sounds really good, and the rest has been boring the living heck out of me. then again, how many really good songs did her debut have? two or three?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

yeah. (I posted about Eddie Hinton on the "Judy In Diguise" thread, cos your description of Butch Hornsby kinda reminded me of him, but that thread's gotten sidetracked recently,so I'd import my post to here, but I don't know how to do that)

don (dow), Sunday, 18 June 2006 02:44 (twenty years ago)

although the song is incredibly goopy, jamie johnsons the dollar, really quite moved me. i think it might be the cynical timing, cutting the sugar of an overworking father, or the usual excuse that daddy songs do me in every fucking time, or something to do with his voice, a large man with a barrel chest, and broad shoulders, his intimate barritone becomes so tender, and soft when relating the story--i think the single might be on my list

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 18 June 2006 07:42 (twenty years ago)

oh boy, hadn't thought about a singles list, although those Dierks tracks they're still working are sounding better than ever, cutting through current smog of apathy (Dog Days started early this year). Albums so far include: Jessi's Out Of The Ashes, and probably Electric Rodeo; Rebel Meets Rebel; Legendary Shack Shakers; the Gourds(the way they mess with "roots" is funny and fluent, though Serious moments can drag); Ashley Monroe, probably. (Whether the tweaked version is better or not, her album, with all its flaws, which I blame on the producers, is a piquant listening experience--good n' bad, there's nothing else quite like it, which is one of the main requirements for my Top Tens, of any genre.) Maybe Chatham County Line's Speed Of The Whipoorwill. Black Sage was recorded in 1998, I think xxhux said, so maybe one for Reissues, with Heartworn Highways, and maybe the Big Bill Broonzy box I haven't listened to yet, which comes out in Sept. Also got some indie I need to listen to, ditto the Chicks and Dylan, whenever I get 'em. Must be some major label/mainstream possiblities I'm leaving out--??

don (dow), Sunday, 18 June 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

here are my running lists, which are a mess and permanent flux. The ones that get "?" are ones where I'm probably stretching the definition of "country". (I.e., the only reason i'm listing leanne kingwell is apparently because it's gotten some country airplay.) What y'all can do is tell me where you'd draw the line with these

ALBUMS
victory brothers/ leanne kingwell? /huck johns? /carter falco/korpiklaani?? PROB TOO WAY METAL BUT IT HAS LOTS OF FOLK POLKAS FROM THE OOMPAH FOREST ON IT /dale watson /toby keith/redhill EP (PROB TOO OLD)/carrie underwood/blaine larsen/dixie chicks/penny dale/ jamey johnson /shooter jennings /riverside PROB TOO OLD/shannon brown /lucas mccain/hank davison band? /irma thomas/oddysey band /dahlia Wakefield PROB TOO OLD/ uncle billy's smokehouse/rhonda towns /red swan? /shawn camp / southwind

SINGLES
carrie underwood = before he cheats /(shooter jennings - hair of the dog)NOT A SINGLE/penny dale - gypsy cowgirl (DO MYSPACE DOWNLOADS COUNT AS SINGLES?)/samantha joe - time for summer EP TRACK/ huck johns - oh yeah (ONE OF HIS LESS COUNTRY TRACKS, SO PROBABLY NOT)/ redhill - all night long (2004 EP TRACK, TOO OLD?) /redhill - rooftop (2004 EP TRACK, TOO OLD?) /b-star "bootleg dreams" EP TRACK/ hot apple pie - easy does it/ (shooter jennings - little white lines)NOT A SINGLE/chris cagle - wal-mart parking lot/ kt tunstall - black horse (200, PROB NOT COUNTRY ENOUGH)/dierks bentley - settle for a slowdown

2006 country reissues james talley - got no bread, no milk, no money, but we sure got a lot of love: 30th anniversary edition / lazy farmer /classic country: sweet country ballads /the duhks - the duhks fonotone sampler MAYBE NOT OLD ENOUGH FOR NASHVILLE SCENE BALLOT ASSUMING THERE WILL BE SUCH A THING THIS YEAR

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

by the way, edd was right about the first blaine larsen CD (which he sent me his extra copy of) being even better than the new one. maybe a *lot* better, and way less downcast than i'd assumed at the time given the teen-suicide hit off of it (which i really like; just don't think i could bare a whole album of such gloom.) "in my high school" is amazing (didn't christgau vote for it as a top 10 single that year?), a teenage sociology map worthy of *why music sucks.* and i love the song about being the best man at his stepdad's wedding to his mom, and then one (a la chely wright's "back of the bottom drawer") about how all your old failed relationships prepare you for the one that works, and the shawn-camp-penned one about running away from the circus to join real life (which is not country, musically; it's circus music -- like, what, "tight rope" by leon russell, maybe? but really, like a circus. where do those carnival/merrygoround type rhythms come from, anyway? i am totally clueless. i've always just thought of them as circus rhythms, but did they originate in eastern europe centuries ago or something, maybe? and blaine does them a lot more pure than leon or, say, blue magic in "sideshow" or, uh, i guess three dog night in "the show must go on" [actually i forgot how that goes] did; almost could be kurt weill or something, weird.) and the debut's mexico song is better than the new one's mexico song, and the one about preferring to watch stupid human tricks to movies is good (attention deficit country!). and i guess that's the same one (one of two convincingly humble that's-only-my-opinion songs) where he says he wishes country was more george and alan and brad, which surprisingly doesn't even come off at all stodgy or purist, maybe because neither george nor alan nor brad has ever made an album of material this solid. so edd, you say these were all actually demo versions, or based on demos, or what? can't be the former, unless merle haggard dropped in to blaine's high school one day. plus, blaine doesn't get songwriting credit on ALL the songs; only most them, and only partial credit in most cases. (i love the liner note letter from his school gal pal to her friend of the family in the music industry; wonder if that's really how he got signed?) also, dude looks like he's 12 years old!

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

and yeah, don, cdbaby lists black sage (which otherwise would be way up high on my list too) as '98. "reissue" might be stretching it (cdbaby may have posted it years ago as well), but hey, who knows?

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

and oops, the duhks *your daughter and your sons,* which came out in canada in 2002,is the one i meant might not have been recorded long enough ago for nasvhille scene poll eligibility, not the fonotone sampler (which was recorded decades ago). (don't they have some rule stipulating that reissue music must be at least five years old?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, Himes said "at least five years old," so that's why I'd list Black Sage that way. The Fonotone sampler was recorded way before that, of course, but I got it last year, so didn't he also say like Best Of 2006 entries would have to be issued in 2006, not snuck in from ("made most of its impact in") 05, like the Voice 'llowed? Also,the only reason I didn't put the sampler on my 05 was cos it wasn't commericially available. (Or was it? Assumed not, cos single-disc Best-Of-The-Box thingies usually come out some time after the box.)Heh, slow as country songs get worked, most of this year's top Singles list will (quite legtimately) be from last year's albums, judging by last year's Singles list. (If Scene doesn't do it, we can do it here, o course, unless somebody wants to set it up with a real publication--or we could set up a blog for it.) The only one of those that I'm familiar with, that I'd xpost draw the line at, is Kingwell. yeah, some country play, but most of it, like 90% just doesn't have a country feel (musically, and also it's not neurotic enough, not in a country way). xpost circus rhythms seem like they might have some from hurdy gurdies and "street organs" (used to have an album of field recordings of the latter, from Copenhagen, etc)

don (dow), Monday, 19 June 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

so edd, you say these were all actually demo versions, or based on demos, or what? can't be the former, unless merle haggard dropped in to blaine's high school one day.

I talked to Larsen about that first record before I wrote that Scene piece, Chuck, and he told me that except for one song, which one I'd have to consult notes I don't have in front of me at the moment, that whole first album is demos. It could be that Merle's contribution (Larsen told me they've never met; it was added later, I guess) is the song that wasn't a demo? And everything I've read about that first record backs up that it was composed of demos; and if you listen, you hear that the sound quality, while perfectly fine, isn't quite what they get on 16th Ave. S. Apparently Rory Feek and Tim Johnson and Larsen made the record on their own and then, when they self-released it and they had a hit with "In My High School," I believe it was, out in Seattle, then that started the ball rolling to get with BNA--Giantslayer, whose offices you can see driving down Music Row, is basically Feek/Larsen/Johnson, set up to make records for Blaine. So I think I was accurate there. I also said in the lead of that Scene piece that he "writes many of his own songs"--to have said "co-writes many of his own songs" struck me as stylistically inelegant (Beyond Fun!!) and anyway, that a young guy like that had *any* thing to do with writing his own material for a major-label country record struck me as pretty amazing. He also told me when I talked to him that one of those "Off to" songs was just him overdubbing himself, in his garage!

I'll go back and consult my notes--I can't remember at this point which of those "Off to Join" songs was added later; and for that matter, I've never seen the original, self-released version of that one, either.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

here we go, here's what happened with that first Larsen record.

and this raises a real interesting point about how things are done in Nashville. I did a thing on Mark Nevers at the same time I was working on Larsen's, and Nevers (who cut his teeth engineering at The Castle in Franklin, Tenn., one of the big ol' dinosaur recording studios, where Alan Jackson, Jones, et al ad infinitum, recorded) who's not exactly a shrinking violet in his opinions, went on about how the immaculate, or nearly so, demos that artists bring to the "real" recording session, are the blueprint for the finished product and thus preclude any deviation or looseness. In other words, the demos are basically almost as good as what you hear on the radio, and this seems to be the case with Larsen--they were done here but probably weren't done in a totally top-flight tracking room. One man's demo is another man's super-audio...anyway, below is the story, from something BNA sent me. Larsen throughout my talk with him referred to the songs that ended up on "Off to Join" as "demos." I probably should've quoted him directly!

the 18-year old Larsen recorded and was set to release his debut album, "In My High School" on his producer's own independent label "Giantslayer Records." When a Seattle-based BMG distribution employee emailed the label head of RLG Nashville, Joe Galante, Galante liked what he heard and signed Blaine to the label. But instead of recording an "all new" album as is usually done, BNA asked them to record one more track and also added Merle Haggard to one song. They changed the artwork and title.

The new song is one which was previously recorded by Jerry Kilgore, "That's All I've Got To Say About That"

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 19 June 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, cool. And thanks for the info, Edd. And just to be clear, I wasn't accusing you in any way of innacuracy (and hadn't read your Scene piece, actually); I was just trying to figure out for myself how they could be demos. (How, for instance, he got ahold of a Shawn Camp song. Though for all I know they know each other, or that's a cover version, or none of the above. And cdbaby addict that I am, I totally agree with you as far as self-released records having professional sound quality indistinguishable to non-studiophile ears like mine from Nashville; real often, I can't tell the difference.) (Still, "self-released" isn't *exactly* the same as "demo" in my book, especially not when there's an actual regional hit involved. I tend to think of demos as CD-R's with no CD cover or name, and half the time with words magic-markered intelligibly on the disc itself!)

Don, you're right about the Nasvhille Scene poll literal release date rule; technically, Carrie Underwood's not qualified for my list either, I guess. Doesn't necessarily mean I won't (or wouldn't) vote for her; literal release date rules are dumb! That said, I still think I'd have a hard time voting for an eight-year-old album I didn't hear until this year as a "reissue" if it was never actually reissued. (But that's my own self-limiting rule, not yours o'course.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

>words magic-markered intelligibly <

(or unintelligibly, as the case may be.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 19 June 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)


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