Yo P&J, I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish, but ILX had the greatest 2009 poll of all time! All time! (2009 ILX Trax Poll Results: TOP TEN TODAY)

ppl are h8ing on that girls track bcuz theyre dead inside

I'm no AnCo stan or anything, though I think MPP is nice to hear on occasion (and is pretty much the only AnCo album I'm ever inclined to hear voluntarily), but I think there's a wide style gap between Girls and AnCo too.

lol, sure

Having heard Girls a few times I wanna say Evan is OTM. His description describes indie-landfill pretty perfectly, too.

It also reminds me of Simon Reynolds recent blogpost about indie-fill, where he memorably says "who were these faceless bands? how could they not know they're shit?"

idk what kind of music evan likes or what kind of music you like, cunga but describing the 'indie landfill' as merely replicating beloved forebears can surely be applied to uh... every genre of music

as for the "girls are famous bcuz of the dude's backstory", well i think that's pretty much BS, but we covered that ground thoroughly in the girls thread imo.

what evan said about girls & vampire weekend & pop barely scans as sensical

Blogs and bands are mutually corrosive.

There's a thread on Girls?

yes, and it's long

GIRLS - ALBUM

Jordan, I was trying to analyze why they've blown up. I feel like without the elements I went over they would be a very typical indie band many people would not have heard about or would have gotten very excited about initially.

'lust for life' is really relatable and beautiful and has a gr8 aesthetic who cares if it sounds like something else from history

also lol @ the idea that girls has 'blown up'

And I mentioned Vampire Weekend in that last example because I thought it may have something to do with their backlash in the hip/indie community.

'lust for life' is really relatable and beautiful and has a gr8 aesthetic

This is the kind of thing that makes me think people are lazy about looking for music to like.

Well you know what I mean, Lamp. They were a big deal last year.

ppl really want to listen to this guy whine over "classic pop" chord changes?

― call all destroyer, Friday, September 25, 2009 6:53 AM (4 months ago)

is it not possible that lots of people think that the song is actually good? and anyway, this is kind of rehashing territory from the p&j thread, but where is lazy in 09/10? i like girls a lot-- i found out about them because pitchfork and the fader wrote about them, i checked them out and digged their music. now, did i go seek other 60s throwback cali rock like girls this year? no i didn't, but that's cuz i was seeking out tons of other music. i don't think i was being lazy. if i sought out albums that i thought could be better versions of every album from 2009 that i like/love then i never would've left my house.

ugh, those videos make me feel so dirty for living in san francisco

― psychgawsple, Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:03 PM (4 months ago)

But why not bypass a band like Girls and be proactive about looking for better things in the same realm? Don't wait for PFM or Fader to alert you to interesting subsects of genres... that's how GAPDY gets made in the first place.

Did he sing a song about how they couldn't have pizza?

― Evan, Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:26 PM (3 months ago)

But why not bypass a band like Girls and be proactive about looking for better things in the same realm?

i think i answered this already in my post -- also, i really like girls a lot! i'm not a junkie of the type of music they make, i was fine with enjoying that album and that album only, unless something else came along. certainly everyone has genres/records on their lists that occupy this role for them. (tons of dream voters who didn't listen to all the other great r&b albums that came out this year, for instance)

lol at the rabbithole this thread's gone down

im not generally "looking for music to like" fwiw - i already like lots of music - but lol @ liking girls bein somehow 'lazy'

no well adjusted person cares if a thing the like isnt the actual best version of that thing to like

also no1 i no irl cares abt or likes or has heard of 'girls' the band

Would immensely prefer listening to Glenn Beck moan over classic pop chord changes

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, December 31, 2009

3 weeks pass...

wow this is way fucking worse than i expected

― iTote 2.0 (electricsound), Friday, January 22, 2010 6:20 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hahahahah

― call all destroyer, Friday, January 22, 2010 7:09 AM (1 week ago)

lust for life is one of the best songs of the year imo

― ianmaxwell, Saturday, September 19, 2009 7:04 AM (4 months ago) Bookmark

here's another possible "lust for life" voter -- find the 9 others and round up the firing squad

But that's the thing. The-Dream's last album opened my ears to a lot of slick r&b that I never would've given a minute to before, and I've been devouring a lot of it since then, seeking out things and figuring out what I like about some artists and don't like about others. xp tp JOrdan

more annoyed by the fact that they're called Girls tbh, ugh.

What do my top 10 last.fm songs tell about me, Steve Shasta?

i recognized one other ilxor in the P&J voters for this song and peeped his ballot and it's like filled with all this kinda girls/gapdy stuff, i semi-lol'd (muffled half-smirk tbh).

johnny, me too! (referring to love/hate, as i think you are) but usher & r. kelly are much more important to me than the beach boys

The Gyrls - All I Want To Do (Is Eat Pizza In My Beach House)

i clearly understand why tons of people didn't 'bypass' "trap goin ham" for other trap rap songs from 09 that i liked better

Hi everyone.. I like this countdown so far. Wish I had voted..

Way better than the 2008 list (so far).. probably because singles were generally a lot better this year than last year.

& rev, aren't these threads just a continuous cycle of circle jerking & rabbit holes anyway?

The Gyrls - All I Want To Do (Is Eat Pizza In My Beach House)

prophet

I'm down with Usher, but I've always thought R.Kelly was total joeksville. Either way, at least we agree there's great stuff beneath the surface in all genres. I just get absolutely frustrated when I see people unwilling to look for it and settle for the watered-down versions.

Oh.. except for ..

ante up = back that azz up

This equation is false.

And I swear to god I'm not standing on some anti-popular music platform. I love tons of chart music, from the '50s to right now, but I've always been a total hound about seeking stuff out (this probably started when I would scour the cut-out cassette bins in the late '80s).

that equation fits for me!
also: "white music all sounds the same"
there are days this feels true!

I just get absolutely frustrated when I see people unwilling to look for it and settle for the watered-down versions.

I don't understand what's wrong with just casually finding some things you like, as you happen to bump into them, in some genres, and maybe digging more deeply into others. Everyone here probably already spends a ridiculous amount of time searching around for music as it is.

I know. It's my own problem, really. And now, an hour removed from the center of the debate, I've relaxed my stance on this. Like what you like, people.

i'm trying to figure out what is "more deep" in whatever genre girls is, but i suppose it doesn't really matter.

The kiddie pool is deeper than Girls

I just went back and skimmed the album to refresh my memory, and yeah... pretty much anything from Black Rebel Motorcycle Club to Thee Oh Sees to Sic Alps to Spiritualized all do what Girls do better, and before they did it.

I just checked out Girls - Lust for Life for the first time and at least its short. But I can understand the hate.

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i dunno, Johnny...personally, I could give J0rdan a hard time for, say, bumping Major Lazer but not seeking out dancehall that doesn't have a Downtown Records promo budget and Hollertronix connections, but he's upfront about the fact that he's being dilettantish about that (which a lot of people are way too defensive to even). and at least for me personally I don't hear anything specific enough in the Girls song to think "go to the source," it's all such common shared history basic rock song template stuff that no fan of it is going to hear some song from 20-40 years ago and think "now I see the light, this is where it all started!"

J0rdan's being a champ about this all, it's true. I'm probably just projecting all over this thread, though, because of my own need to know everything about everything.

i'm trying to figure out what is "more deep" in whatever genre girls is, but i suppose it doesn't really matter.

That Girls song sounded like an Ariel Pink song to me with all the charm sucked out.

e.g. compare that terrible song with this great one