Bolt the door, Varg is loose!

he's a RL troll

I think maybe what's key here is that explaining the whys of something != justifying it, necessarily?

That is absolutely true. However, sometimes attempts to explain something are exercises in projection; there is a tacit presumption going on that casts the person doing the abhorrent thing in your mindset in order for you to come up with a sufficient motivation for their actions. Most of the mean things I did when I was a kid were born out of feeling trapped in a hostile environment combined with thinking life was pointless and transitory after my brother died at age 24, and even then I couldn't muster the will to do anything that would be permanent because I knew that if I kept out of trouble, I'd never have to set foot in that town again unless I was visiting my parents. You could paint this successful child-rearing on my parents' part combined with a pretty comfortable financial situation, but some portion of it included recognition on my part that, no matter how shitty and depressed I felt, I knew that I would be able to get out someday. And I did. And so did the vast majority of my friends. Very few of the kids I considered idiots did.

This has nothing to do with Varg really but it's the longest thing I've written in like 6 months.

man when you think of the people who never got out your heart's gotta bleed a little even if they were dicks don'tcha

maybe not I do though

every time my heart starts to bleed, I think of the dudes/girls who called me a racial slur and that pretty much kills the burgeoning sympathy

yeah i guess i would be more willing to recognize the humanity in dudes like varg if they weren't espousing a "philosophy" (half formed rhetoric) that denied the humanity of others

like, it's easy to feel sorry for someone who has never attacked you, or spat upon you repeatedly, or tried to piss in your locker, or basically spent 6 months making your life a complete and utter living hell, is kind of my underlying not-so-secret thesis here; in looking at these stories, I am much more likely to have sympathy for the people who had to bear the brunt of these frustrations rather than the people expressing them in destructive, wholly inappropriate ways

xpost: OTM

tbf a lot of the dumb destructive stuff dan and i got up to is also kind of facepalm hilarious in retrospect, which prob would not be the case if we'd burned down any churches.

if you guys had burned down some lutheran churches I would be laffing my ass off tbqf

an honest question - how different is the not really tacit but kind of wink wink endorsement that some black metal has from other musical movements (thinking hip hop and grafitti because of the proximity of the vandalistic aspect, or imo the much worse "stop snitchin'" movement (which i know is a big pile of media distorted bullshit, but so is the prominence of church burning per capita so)

xpost it is possible that i or someone very much like me might have done a startlingly quantifiable and prob felonious amount of damage during my teenage rebellion against the oppressive regime of golf courses, which is about as close to burning down a lutheran church as you are likely to get

(as an aside, I read some of that thread where you guys talk about crazy hstngs shit and man I think we had wildly different growing-up-in-werido-small-MN-town experiences)

do you have any seminal anti-golfing records i should be listening to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtZL2RJC5WQ

Really more pro-golf but...

oh you mean Exploring the idiot youth of rural america (some HSTNGS content, but not a HSTNGS thread)

i had forgotten about that thread, i think ill go take a trip down idiot memory lane

re: golf video, i have to admit i enjoyed that much more than filosofem.

Mad props to rabies! I had two Art Phag singles! The other was exactly the same but called Chainsaw!

hmm thread got interesting!

i can kinda feel where j0hn is coming from. part of the impetus to burn an old church appeals to me, in that the burner (maybe) feels the symbolism and intent of the building very deeply. as in, "no this isn't just a nice building for tour groups to go see, it has a specific purpose to carry a set of ideas that i despise." the implication is that varg took the historical meaning of the church itself very seriously, it meant more to him than to people who just thought it was nice.

but this gets me into gore-vidal-defending-tim-mcveigh territory, oh he was just a thoughtful boy who loved freedom, while everyone else went thru life in an unthinking daze...

mcvarg

Speaking as someone who was brought up in deeply religious household and resents his religious indoctrination and education, I still find the concept of looking at churches "nice".

One of the first things I do on holiday is get in some good church, synagogue or mosque action.

Burning them down wouldn't necessarily give me a more nuanced view of religion.

Speaking as someone who cares fuck all for religion, it was really painful to see the before and after pictures of those stave churches. Regardless of political intent, its fucking criminal to destroy beautiful buildings (church or no). I mean, the Catholic religion irritates me to no end and I have so many problems with the institution, but no way in hell could I be okay with a beautiful cathedral being destroyed.

it takes a fuck of a long time to seize power & turn them into libraries tho you gotta admit

the analogy only really works if you agree, on some level, that christianity is worse than n. european paganism, and i don't

reading thru those wiki histories, and others, it looks like xtianity was spread by a combination of popular conversion, elite buy-in, and violence (basically in that order). the non-christians responded with... the exact same shit. but it's not like varg really concerned with any of this, it's all just myth.

xps

humbly submit that wiki histories maybe not the best source for determining how christianity was spread through the pagan countries

when is this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_the_Apostate

gonna get his metal concept tribute album? or has he already

"humbly submit that wiki histories maybe not the best source for determining how christianity was spread through the pagan countries"

Pipe down old man.

hahaha actually in retrospect I missed most of the truly epic dumb stuff (thinking of the J***b W********g fliers here), I was only really around for things like naked trampolining and throwing a can of pop at CB's front door

there appear to be some punk kids on my lawn xpost

(sorry that is so late, I had actual work to do)

"Punk kids get off my interweb!"

STOP GETTING BOND WRONG

i mean just

lol @ the entire nu-metal-at-the-gym overture to the symphony of "the early norwegian church burnings were due to being FUCKED UP and going out to FUCK SOME SHIT UP" could yall be more hilarious

Yeah... I'm not the only one who heard about what happened in Oslo and thought for a second Varg might be involved, right?

Apparently this guy is a christian extremist.

My wife's first comment (after learning it wasn't a muslim extremist) was "probably one of those black metal jerks."

Might have been, but this guy - while certainly a rightist - is not linked to nazi or "viking" groups. He probably has more in common with the Ku Klux Klan, or with rightist extremist party that is currently partly in office in Israel.

what the hell does that mean, geir?

geir's obviously still in a shock

geir is actually varg.

Pet Sounds influenced his most black metal efforts.

what the hell does that mean, geir?

He describes himself as a friend of Israel, and makes a point out of how he is on a crusade against Islam. He has also in various forums described himself as a conservative Christian. Basically, and extremist edition of the American religious Right.

kind of agree w/Geir tbqf

Yeah, Geir's interpretation squares with everything I'm reading. If this guy was an American he'd be living in Hayden Lake, Idaho, basically.

i don't know how that makes his ideology similar to those in power in israel.

this is coming from the same person who doesn't think they had "music" in africa prior to western colonization, though. he should know from racism.

ooh boy

this is one of my fave thread titles btw

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, May 25, 2009 8:09 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i read it to the tune of "The Beast" by the Fugees

― death cab for kudi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, May 25, 2009 8:10 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Varg has now weighed in.

For some reason I'd never quite realised the extent of this guys assholishness, till I read that.

I can't open that site at work. Any chance you could c&p it here?

Oh you don't want to know, would also possibly attract the wrong sort of random googler