that youtube track ain't bad and I understand why the dude did this. but man, promoting yourself this way really is lame.
(Precedent on both sides in the IDM scene I guess. napster was full of Marumari tracks with name acts in the filenames. Meanwhile, a few years back there was a Boards of Canada fake which was actually part of a CiM album which some guy had downloaded and decided to rename; nothing to do with CiM himself and I hope nobody ever held that against him.)
― canna kirk (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 25 January 2010 10:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Back when I made IDM stuff, one of my tracks "Litter Duty" made it onto a Boards of Canada bootleg comp. I can't remember any more whether this was a mislabelling error, or some prank I thought I'd pull as a student.
― dog latin, Monday, 25 January 2010 11:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Did Altered Carbon himself wrap up his stuff as a fake Autechre, or was it just some bored internet type as a prank?
yeah, this occurred to me after I had posted that... I have no idea, actually.
― original bgm, Monday, 25 January 2010 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link
lot of chime-y interludes on the new leak. sounds legit.
― Lowell N. Behold (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 8 February 2010 05:36 (fourteen years ago) link
i reckon i could spot an ae fake at fifty paces. is it leaked in the usual places?
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Monday, 8 February 2010 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Autechre FACT mix - no tracklisting avail, tho.
http://www.factmag.com/2010/02/08/fact-mix-122-autechre/
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Monday, 8 February 2010 13:56 (fourteen years ago) link
The last AE album was really good after spending several years in the wilderness. I'm looking forward to this one.
― dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 14:10 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.antilicense.com/ilovetheriaa/oversteps_preview-ilanders.mp3
http://www.antilicense.com/ilovetheriaa/oversteps_preview-see_on_see.mp3
these were broadcast on a German radio show, this past saturday?
― Lowell N. Behold (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 8 February 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link
i hope they're better than the first 30 minutes of that mix 8)
(also the tags don't correspond to the filenames)
― koogs, Monday, 8 February 2010 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link
those german broadcast clips sound cool. I'm excited.
― original bgm, Monday, 8 February 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Is the Autechre concept still relevant for people any more? I used to be amazed by what they used to do - the hyper-complex gymnastic beats and uncanny beauty of their melodies were awe-inspiring at the time of LP5 and EP7. How quickly though, have innovations in music technology moved on since the days when artists would have to rip their machines to bits or invent infinitesimally mindbending trigger sequences to create these sounds? We've now got programs that can, at a click, reach into an audio chord and alter the individual notes within them; applications that can warp, stretch and mould beats like putty; commercial plugins that can artificially mimic the randomness of human-like musicianship - and all this is being done throughout the musical spectrum from glo-fi to dubstep to pure pop. So what I'm wondering is - is the music of the future now so current that Autechre are being beaten at their own game? Have they hit a glass ceiling? If not, what are they now doing to push things further? And what am I gaining by listening to this band whose appeal was once that they were doing things that no one else could even imagine?
― dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
this band whose appeal was once that they were doing things that no one else could even imagine?
What if the appeal was more simple than that? What if the appeal was (and remains) "whatever they're doing, it sounds good and I like it"?
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Monday, 8 February 2010 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah - now i take that absolutely 100% into account.
autechre, being certainly up until confield, one of my favourite bands. but i couldn't play someone, for example, Chiastic Slide anymore and expect them to be impressed by it. Music in general is now capable of making these sounds and doing them better and more effortlessly. Tim Exile's "Listening Tree" from last year basically takes the Autechre model, adds David Gahan-esque vocals and runs with it, filling it with a dark pop brilliance that leaves them sounding like a clunky old robot. But it's not just Warp stuff that does this of course.
there has always been more to autechre's work than mere artisanship, but it did play a large part in what they did. Int he same way that technical brilliance can be the reason for listening to a lot of metal etc.
― dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I've actually been thinking about this listening to old harmonia, cluster, early kraftwerk, etc...
now, I wasn't around but at the time but I imagine that the electronic/psychedelic hybrid probably sounded quite unique then. that doesn't really factor into my enjoyment these days and I think that the music holds up as more than just a tech demo. way more. plus, the vintage instruments sound cool!
ymmv but I could see the same being said for autechre. the tech aspect to their sound is certainly less impressive but "whatever they're doing, it sounds good and I like it"
― original bgm, Monday, 8 February 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
autechre, being certainly up until confield, one of my favourite bands. but i couldn't play someone, for example, Chiastic Slide anymore and expect them to be impressed by it.
Impressed due to it being highly technical, or because it's good music? I could picture someone being still impressed because it's a good tune.
Music in general is now capable of making these sounds and doing them better and more effortlessly. Tim Exile's "Listening Tree" from last year basically takes the Autechre model, adds David Gahan-esque vocals and runs with it, filling it with a dark pop brilliance that leaves them sounding like a clunky old robot.
The greatness of clunky old robot sounds aside, is music that sounds like its of an era or dated a bad thing? You just made me want to check out this Tim Exile album, but I am not sure this sounds like an indictment of Autechre.
But it's not just Warp stuff that does this of course.
o rly
― mh, Monday, 8 February 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
fact mix is good morning listening. beatmatching Roedelius' 'Übern Fluss' with that hip hop track made me crack up.
which Cabaret Voltaire is that an hour in again? & if anyone can trainspot the dubby tracks that start in @ 1:09:00 (Flying Lizards?), I'd be obliged. or man, this thing at 1:16:00 is Cabs solo stuff, like Mallender's solo ep? some of this is pretty familiar but it's been years, and it's sounding a lot better than I remember
― Milton Parker, Monday, 8 February 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Tim Exile's a bit cheesy compared to Autechre. A bit barroque, a bit Glass Spider, Bowie.
Remember that Autechre started off making really simple music and they were great then. If anything they took the envelope pushing thing slightly too far. It became too abstract and fell apart. For people who don't like to have to count along to records like myself, what they're doing now is an improvement.
― Doran, Monday, 8 February 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link
I think even at the time of Incunabula, there stuff wasn't considered that simple.
I probably wasn't being very clear earlier as I was at work. Chiastic Slide, will always be appreciable to many because it was made in the way it was (like Kraftwerk is still appreciable today). But I'm guessing at what role Autechre's music plays in 2010 when everyone has access to computer programs that can replicate Autechre's previously painstaking techniques. I don't see Brown & Booth being happy to sit on their laurels making MAX/MSP patches just like everyone else forever and ever.
― dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Grrrr... dinner time now - that didn't make sense either.
― dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Is the Autechre concept still relevant for people any more?
They are still more ae-sthetically pleasing to me than other IDM groups.
They still have done things that other IDM groups haven't accomplished (to my knowledge). For instance, they did some songs where you can still hear notes that are no longer there (and I remembered them mentioning stuff like that in one of their interviews). I still vision Autechre as top of the line innovators of experimentation even if I don't care much for the last couple albums.
― stop assuming I assumed something LOL (CaptainLorax), Monday, 8 February 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link
is the music of the future now so current that Autechre are being beaten at their own game?
I dunno. Hate to sound rockist but technology only gets you so much. I think they use it better than most.
― scratch paper (lukas), Monday, 8 February 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
In their prime, Ae got by on being the pioneering experimental act; whose influences stemmed as much from hip-hop and graf culture as avant-garde architecture; who championed the art of circuit bending and algorithmic composition to create sculptured mathematical sound-art; but who also displayed a Gorecki-an knack for hide-and-seek extra-human melodies that only revealed themselves through intensive listening.
But how can Autechre continue when the dubsteppers are creating these incredible experimental soundscapes that you can dance to? When pop and r'n'b producers are moulding and shaping sounds beyond human imagination whilst still maintaining a sexual sheen? Does Autechre's brutal, often ugly intellectualism become redundant when modern bedroom producers can recreate their techniques without putting a sequencer through a food condenser, and make it pleasant to listen to as well?
I fully realise that these questions make me sound like I don't "get" Autechre - really I do. And while I thought pretty much everything between Confield and Untilted was (come on face it) the electronic equivalent of Yngwie Malmsteen playing a 24-string guitar with his arse-cheeks, Quaristice was a surprisingly welcome pull away from the brink of total meltdown.
The difference between albums like Draft7.30 and EP7 wasn't just down to method, it was conceptual too. EP7 remains their most interesting work because each track has a tangible concept that it is based around. Draft is pure electronic gymnastics, probably fascinating to MAX/MSP dorks but little interest to those looking for beauty in the random/not random jitter.
So the reason I'm interested in this next album is to see where they go next. What tricks do Booth and Brown have up their sleeves? What is the 2010 equivalent of circuit-bending and how will Ae outrun their competitors?
― dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Well I've heard it, and its nothing like the last couple of albums. Its more ambient and much prettier.
― millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I think it may divide fans a bit actually!
― millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Has it really leaked yet Trayce?
― dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
yes, the actual album is now circulating.
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link
When pop and r'n'b producers are moulding and shaping sounds beyond human imagination whilst still maintaining a sexual sheen?
this just ain't so. sure they're using some strange noises and inventive arrangements, but no way is pop or rnb approaching ae-like levels of sculptural weirdness.
― take me to your lemur (ledge), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link
DL I think the point is that Autechre fans (such as you and me) enjoy the off-putting strangeness for its own sake. It's not so much that they're creating "incredible experimental soundscapes", it's that they make their listeners feel like they've really worked to get to the chewy center. It's what has always set Autechre apart from AFX, the Orb or what have you. I guess you could argue that in their prime they were pushing Max/MSP in interesting new ways, but I'm not sure you could keep the argument up for long. There have always been lots of talented producers. Autechre have been pioneers of the machine aesthetic more than the machine technique. I say this as one who considers them beyond brilliant.
― scratch paper (lukas), Monday, 8 February 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can enjoy Autechre without believing that they are ***INNOVATING*** at all times.
― scratch paper (lukas), Monday, 8 February 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link
DL yeah as of yesterday or day before, at least according to Modey. I'm pretty convinced - it sounds damn good.
― millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 8 February 2010 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link
that they make their listeners feel like they've really worked to get to the chewy center.
Yeah I relate to this. Ive always found Ae really... difficult. Since being with a big Ae fan with a very musical ear, who points out complex and winding little melodic or rhythmic passages Id've otherwise totally not even noticed, it is more rewarding.
Theyre still not a band I like putting on while I'm doing the housework or reading, mind you. They're too much work for that haha.
― millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 8 February 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link
you can enjoy Autechre without believing that they are ***INNOVATING*** at all times
More importantly, you can enjoy Autechre without BEING INVESTED IN believing that they are innovating at all times. I always feel like their best stuff sounds totally inhuman - the kind of music computers would make for the entertainment of other computers - but that's just a description; it's not a value judgement. Dog latin, you come off like Autechre not being weirder/more obsessively intricately hi-tech than everyone else on earth, and doing things you can't possibly figure out how they did them, is a deal-breaker for you. That's a really weird, crabbed approach to art, seems to me. Would you elaborate, and/or tell me I'm wrong?
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Monday, 8 February 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Draft is pure electronic gymnastics, probably fascinating to MAX/MSP dorks but little interest to those looking for beauty in the random/not random jitter.
I dunno man, 'draft 7.30' / 'grantz graf' are my favorites of their whole trajectory. the melodies they used to play on their keyboards are still there, they're just completely baked into the sound design of each track, and those sounds are beautiful in and of themselves. and when they do return to the keyboards... last track on 'grantz graf' is one of the most beautiful pieces of music they've ever done, when that high descending line comes in for the first time, it's just effortless
― Milton Parker, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link
pfff, Untilted rocks like fuck!
and even the the old "IDM = lol electronic fretwank" opinion/cliche yet again.
― fndgo, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link
(Trayce - I had no idea you and Modex hooked up [this is correct, non?]- so pleased for you both!)
― dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link
LOL it happened 2 years ago! :) I thought you knew :) yeah its been awesome =)
― millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Monday, 8 February 2010 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link
unperson, ledge, lukas and everyone above are of course, otm - because it's obvious when listening to the best of Autechre's music that there's more to them than their technical brilliance. Quaristice was a very smooth sidestep, but I did get worried at one point, around the time of Untilted and Draft that they'd become quite happy to coast along.
― dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost nope didn't know until the other day haha!
― dog latin, Monday, 8 February 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
One more thing about Ae before I go to bed. What were people's overall opinions on Draft7.30 and Untilted? I don't HATE these albums I must say. They have certain merits.
In mind Draft7.30 is the sound my brain would make if I were kidnapped by pirates and forced to remember an entire Funkadelic album so as not to be seasick during a storm.
Untilted makes me think of a janitor sweeping up a stadium after the world's biggest breakdance event.
― dog latin, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Untilted is phenomenal, but my memories of Draft don't make me want to return to it.
― scratch paper (lukas), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link
also love untilted.("sublimit" people!!)
I throw draft on every once in a while and nothing sticks. all these years later and I'm still not sure how I feel about it. I imagine every ae fan has an album or twelve that fit this bill.
― original bgm, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link
there just weren't enough melodies in draft (/geir)
― dog latin, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link
lol
― original bgm, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 01:21 (fourteen years ago) link
someone could write an algorithm that generates an infinite array of ae lolsoundslike similies
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link
brb throwing all my autechre CDs out the window
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link
I can understand being drawn to music due to it being innovative, but there has to actually be something there to keep you there, right? The idea of Autechre being "beaten at their own game" means nothing to me, as their game is to make music that people will presumably want to listen to. I don't think there's some producer->consumer contract where both sides agree that it has to be innovative.
I kind of cringed at the idea of Kraftwerk being appreciable only because their music was "made in the way it was." It's appreciable because it's good music!
The point of some Autechre work, to me, when it's not immediately accessible or danceable and certainly not hummable, is that it can evoke feeling. There are a couple parts of Confield that make my teeth hurt and make me feel uncomfortable as they sound so alien. I don't necessarily get pleasure from that, but I definitely get something, so I return to it on occasion.
― mh, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 05:06 (fourteen years ago) link
extra-human melodies that only revealed themselves through intensive listening.
HUH?? I've listened to them all these years, and huh??
I can't listen to Draft or Untilted -- hate the compressed sound. In fact, I think Confield used up all the patience I had to try to get into subsequent Autechre releases, so that I don't even have time to try to "get" Quaristice.
― A Mermaid... Doing It With Captain Morgan (Leee), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 05:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Quaristice is pretty accessible IMO, some of the outtake material even moreso.
― mh, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 05:17 (fourteen years ago) link
New album sounds like Plaid imo
― millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 05:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Good '90s Plaid???? Say yes, Tray!
― A Mermaid... Doing It With Captain Morgan (Leee), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 06:01 (fourteen years ago) link