The Blue Nile: C or D?

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first album is all about the first flush of youth/love/innocence/awe/wonder/etc. eg - 'i am in loooove, i am in loooove with you, ...i walk across the rooftops...' etc etc.

the second is all concerned with the death of love/getting older/etc. eg - 'i'm tired of crying on the staiiiirs...'

it's kind of a godfather/godfather part 2 deal. and all they're bestheard back to back

piscesboy, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Blue Line is just such an underrated band. I find their "Hats" al bum is one of the best pop records of all time - and also a godfather for the sound of pioneer "post-rock" bands like Disco Inferno and, very specially, Bark Psychosis: angst-ridden vocals hanging on a spacious soundscape with electronica drumbeats and ambient samples. Definitely, The Blue Nile are A+.

Juan M., Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I didn't realise Pet Shop Boys were post-rock.

(okay truthfully I can see the connection at least with Bark Psychosis, but it always seemed to me that The Blue Nile represented the "other half" of BP's source material). Hats multiplied by Spirit Of Eden = Hex.

Tim, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Boring annoying bullshit. "Hats" is absolutely unlistenable. Especially the singer's voice let's me run up the walls. I guess a kick in the ass would do him well. This does not even qualify for wallpaper music. The only band which is as embarrassing is Sigur Ros.

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

there was a program on tv the other night that had a drum&bass version of Tinseltown in the Rain as the theme. Such a great band, so many bad ideas. Walk Across the Rooftops is fantastic though.

hamish, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...
Simply the most amazing music ever made.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 00:16 (twenty-three years ago)


The third album really is worth the effort, what puts me off listening to it though is all the Christian stuff. Ultimately it is a back-to-the-roots acoustic album with very conservative lyrics all about home, family and church, but contains some moments of raw ecstacy, ie;Tomorrow Morning, Sentimental Man and Soon. As for Michael Bolton, the very first time I listened to 'Over the Hillside' I thought I'd picked up a Richard Marx album by mistake, but despite their MOR tendencies they have produced some really transcendent music.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 01:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic. Particularly their two 80s albums.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 11:09 (twenty-three years ago)

MOLLUSCS ARE HEROES

one) You won’t like them. A Walk Across The Rooftops contains slap bass, trite lyrics on the debris of relationships, pans from (yawn) Coppola’s One From the Heart into (yawn) Paris, Texas, sung by Springsteen impersonating Sinatra. Hats has two white reggae tracks, gated snares, repeated use of the word ‘baby’, yes, is ‘lush’, ‘cinematic’ and MOR. Annie Lennox and Rod Stewart have covered their songs. Phil Collins endorses them.

two) I don’t like American Music Club, John Cale, Talking Heads, Rickie Lee Jones or The Cars either.

three) Men in American books tend to wear hats.

four) Katy (my girlfriend) was in a philosophy class and, as the hush of young students began to stifle and choke, the teacher, by way of gesture, mentioned the best class he ever had occurred when Paul Buchanan, ‘you probably haven’t heard of him’, suggested they talk about love.

five) No-one has registered the scientific unproveability of ‘love’ in song more heart-rendingly than Paul Buchanan: singing “how do I know you feel it?”, just moments from loss, or the frustrated ‘I can only tell you’ of “do I love you? YES I love you!”

six) What do you say when three years into a relationship the only things holding you together is the fear of breaking the ties you’ve built in the outside world as a unit? When an offer of tea is the only lull in the silence? “Let’s go out tonight”, one last time, meet up with the ghost of your happiness, it can be the same again, you will dance, for one night, oh to bed the same different woman every night, and leave the relationship strafed with cigarette burns and headaches in, alone.

seven) Such compassionate pop. During Hats, the band’s lives were fragmenting and none of them felt they had any support around them, it would have been so easy to become insular and dismissive of others in such a situation.

eight) Below a peat sky, her hair is scraped through with coral orange and tickles of grey, and a smell of moist pollen sewn into the webs of her fingers. Scotland’s inability to say Carl strains a last laugh out from her, smoke knuckles through our hair, as the aftertaste of other men places her lips and her eyes’ slow moulder.

nine) You will like them. A Walk Across the Rooftops is a deeply emotional water, Buchanan a child lost in the weave of a Frank O’Hara poem. Hats refuses Don Paterson’s cycnicism of romance and insists on the transcendental of the ordinary and of the journey, the pressure difference.

!) I think romanticism suggests this sense of wilfully not having it all, leaving that one bit back, the whole, the mysterious ‘last’ that can never be reached, romanticism is the journey to try and attain that that you’re purposefully denying yourself. I have never listened to their third record, I most probably never will.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Nice one, Coz!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

By the way: one of the things that justifies file-sharing for all time is that I was finally able to get hold of a copy of their first (?) ever song 'I love this life'. And it's turned out to be my favourite song of theirs.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Cozen! Yes!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Cozen that was just lovely, thank you.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

nice one. it reminds me of pinefox's post on the joyce thread.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

(Haha, Julio, that's where I nicked my structure, but I guess it was alright cos I think he nicked the turn from the X Y Zedd post on the 'What if Punk Never Happened?' thread).

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Daniel Bedingfield is as close as modern pop gets to The Blue Nile. I get the feeling that he's a stubborn perfectionist too, answering only to his standards, steeped in integrity and honesty. Imagine if he took 5 years to write and record his follow up. It'd be amazing.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

''Imagine if he took 5 years to write and record his follow up. It'd be amazing.''

or it could be a disaster too i suppose.

''(Haha, Julio, that's where I nicked my structure, but I guess it was alright cos I think he nicked the turn from the X Y Zedd post on the 'What if Punk Never Happened?' thread).''

I just thought i had seen something like that. but yr post is triffic in its own way.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:45 (twenty-three years ago)

(Aw shucks, thanks you guys! Actually, I realised today that every thing I've ever written has, in some way, been to make someone fall in love with me or notice me and that post was specifically written to make Dr C notice me (and to make him happy, too) after I'd written my little heart into All of My Heart last week without him popping up; it was also written as an accompinament (god, spelling) to a Blue Nile 'best of...' I'm making up for a friend.)

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 18:50 (twenty-three years ago)

"I think Daniel Bedingfield is as close as modern pop gets to The Blue Nile."

Yes! "If You're Not The One" works in exactly the same way as the peerless "Tinseltown In The Rain" ie. a "generic" love song rendered strange and fascinating by the force and peculiarity of its emotional over-investment.

Although Cozen you should really check out that there new Coloma album which is almost self-consciously an update of The Blue Nile for the post-glitch generation. As with The Blue Nile it's svelte literary studio-pop that feels like all the sound-politics have been surgically removed (eg. this is click-pop only because, well, why not if it sounds good? cf. Schneider TM's "The Light 3000") so I imagine that in a decade or so it'll have that same lovely timeless-datedness as TBN's first two albums have. It's very much like A Walk Across The Rooftops in particular. Much better than their first album.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 03:00 (twenty-three years ago)

did you realise that daniel bedingfield is a born again christian?

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:14 (twenty-three years ago)

He was born somewhere really (relatively) 'weird', like Hawaii or something. I can't remember, I'll look it out.

Cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:19 (twenty-three years ago)

he has a high speaking voice.

I saw him on 'today with des & mel'.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Yesterday I bought Rooftops for a dollar! :-)

Keith McD (Keith McD), Thursday, 27 March 2003 04:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I've jotted down some more thoughts on The Blue Nile and Coloma at Skykicking.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 04:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Think you meant Skykicking.

hamish (hamish), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 04:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Just listened to A Walk Across the Rooftops today for the first time in a long while. Really sounds distinctly uneighties in the end, doesn't it. The Talk Talk comparisons now finally do make sense.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 04:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Record Review of the Year, Tim. Just beautiful. Better than my Morgenstern one (did you my last e-mail?) by a good country mile, and there was me really happy with it and you show everyone how it's really done. Rat bastard. ;)

I figured out why I like Daniel Bedingfield earlier. Or one aspect. I remembered something Frank Kogan said to me about how he really liked the way that I wasn't scared to be overwrought when the usual rock-crit approach is to come across all Ed Casual (hehe, what's Frank's e-mail address again?). I suppose I see a lot of myself in Daniel. All thing considered, a juxtaposition of poets might be in order:

Everywhere he saw his own image, -
his perfect face...

When he rode out of the city, the people
gathered to admire him: a ribbon
of faces, fixed on this one face
and haunted by its indifference. They said:
'as beautiful as a painting', and we
feel a chill cast across these years
for we know there is another painting
that does not hang in any gallery

- John Ash

I like you so much I'm acting stupid
I can't play the game I'm all intense and alive
I'm losing control of my heart
I'm not supposed to be this nervous
I should play my hand all cool and calm
I can't breathe
I'm losing control of my heart

- Daniel Bedingfield

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Finney I mean Finery is indeed EXCELLENT.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 17:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Sadly, I probably won't be able to get it here in Glasgow. And I'm internet-shopping averse. If I get it, I'll make a copy and give it to Paul Buchanan, I see him quite often, coming out of the local Safeways.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

("I can't breathe"!!!)

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I was thinking about why "Peace at Last" never appealed to me, and I reckon it's because it cuts the (admittedly tenuous) connection with disco. I love every single moment of "Tinseltown In The Rain", but the point where it really blows me away is the final string-riff loops where the disco beat suddenly gets more pronounced, and the whole song takes on this aura of bittersweet triumph. I could well imagine the song being the inspiration for Luomo's "The Present Lover". Actually Luomo could do a lot with a remix of The Blue Nile.

I was trying to think of more music from the eighties that fits into this area of explicitly emotional quasi-dance pop, but I couldn't get far beyond The Hounds of Love. Any ideas?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 10 April 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I have Hats, and that's definitely a Classic.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 April 2003 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)

was trying to think of more music from the eighties that fits into this area of explicitly emotional quasi-dance pop, but I couldn't get far beyond The Hounds of Love. Any ideas?

Associates surely fit this description.

But Tim is OTM regarding Tinseltown being a lost dance classic, I certainly remember hearing it in clubs in Dundee in the mid-80's. Apparently they had some of their work from Hats remixed by Oakenfold (or some other name remixer), but they nixed it on hearing it. Now that I'd like to hear.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 10 April 2003 07:32 (twenty-three years ago)

My other half was Paul's telephone answering service[flatmate]all through the writing and release of the first record.He says there was definately a whole bunch of up and happy songs right after rooftops.I met Paul once and he can do charm.Happy Easter everybody.

jean bowman, Sunday, 20 April 2003 09:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Happy Easter Jean.

Where did the up and happy songs go, then? Left to rot as demos?

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 20 April 2003 10:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Ta for the greetings. Re demos there must be millyens of them . If you see Paul ask him. I hear that Heatwave had five minutes of birds and boats before the music and even that was cut down from a long session outdoors. Regards to the West End, it must be great this time of year.

jean bowman, Sunday, 20 April 2003 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

It is, it's lovely.

I don't think I'd have the bare-faced gall to actually talk to the man though.

It feels a bit criminal to actually listen to the Blue Nile at this time of year though, like I'm going to shatter the mood.

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 20 April 2003 19:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Interesting thread.

1. The only track I know is 'I Love This Life', which the Nipper gave me. The Nipper is right about it.

2. Cozen's big post above is indeed good, and indeed structurally resembles one of mine. But no, I didn't take my own structure from anyone else.

3. Whether or not the Bedingfield link is apt, I don't think 'emotional overinvolvement' etc is necessarily the key to 'If You're Not The One': what woke me up to that track was simply the rare quality of its tune.

the pinefox, Monday, 21 April 2003 09:20 (twenty-three years ago)

There is a West End in Autumn when the freshers get free from mum and dad and the bar owners give thanks that summer is over.There are the foggy winter nights when you walk home after parties to the sound of nightingales and there is the first heatwave when everyone skips studies to lie on the grass but the story I most like is Paul being kept awake by people some might say were winos singing on hot summer nights and he went to the kitchen, made them sandwiches, then went to the park, got to know them and and joined in. I think the west end is the right mood.All of it.Yo sho lucky to be there.

jean bowman, Wednesday, 23 April 2003 19:22 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...
If I crack this open tonight, you might never see me on ILx again.

David. (Cozen), Sunday, 20 July 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

:-(

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 20 July 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I finally got the Coloma album today. I'm not entirely sold on all of it, but 'Welcome To Arcadia' is the best four minutes of pop I've heard all year.

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, now I'm sold on it.

RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha Ricky that was exactly how it happened for me too.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 05:27 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
"What do you say when three years into a relationship the only things holding you together is the fear of breaking the ties you?ve built in the outside world as a unit? When an offer of tea is the only lull in the silence? ?Let?s go out tonight?, one last time, meet up with the ghost of your happiness, it can be the same again, you will dance, for one night, oh to bed the same different woman every night, and leave the relationship strafed with cigarette burns and headaches in, alone."

This feels terrifyingly prescient in light of recent of events. If I can be specious for a moment.

David. (Cozen), Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...
god they are classic. hats is just really beautiful. i want the world to be this beautiful.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 22 December 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i think if i had had this record in high school i would have killed myself. i dont know how to explain.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 22 December 2003 06:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The juncture between the beauty present in that record and that present in your life? I got into The Blue Nile when I was sixteen and it felt a bit like that.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 December 2003 08:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Like, "Do I love you?? YES I love you!!" feels even more bittersweet if the person you're singing it about is only imaginary.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 22 December 2003 08:52 (twenty-two years ago)

... shouted from imaginary rooftops in an imaginary city.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Monday, 22 December 2003 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the rumors are true

ivy., Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:45 (two years ago)

Taylor Swift brought me here

cajunsunday, Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:05 (two years ago)

You scenester

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:09 (two years ago)

CAMEL graciously acknowledging their influence on the BLUE NILE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD7JwGvGtYk

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:14 (two years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7r2EM-NsMo

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:44 (two years ago)

matty did it 🥹

brony james (k3vin k.), Thursday, 18 April 2024 21:33 (two years ago)

ill camel jawns thanks qualmsley

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 April 2024 21:47 (two years ago)

five months pass...

hell yes

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 23 September 2024 20:02 (one year ago)

whoa

xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 23 September 2024 20:07 (one year ago)

gorgeous

Clay, Monday, 23 September 2024 20:10 (one year ago)

need!!!

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 23 September 2024 21:30 (one year ago)

man that is so sick

brony james (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 24 September 2024 03:18 (one year ago)

I love it when I'm browsing through vinyl and find a bargain 12" with a promotional poster in it!

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 September 2024 03:19 (one year ago)

skot which pressing do you have? you’ve inspired me to go discogs shopping

brony james (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 24 September 2024 03:32 (one year ago)

u.k. limited edition

https://www.discogs.com/release/2145656-The-Blue-Nile-The-Downtown-Lights

scott seward, Tuesday, 24 September 2024 12:24 (one year ago)

seven months pass...

I hear The Blue Nile all over this excellent album and am wondering if the whole thing is made from processed loops of them? https://somewherepress.bandcamp.com/album/spool

Barnaby, Hardly, Friday, 2 May 2025 08:05 (one year ago)

i played one track and it was clearly remixed blue nile, it's pretty weird that isn't credited anywhere.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 2 May 2025 13:18 (one year ago)

Incidentally, a whole album of Blue Nile interpretations by Colin Steele is out on Marina next month and works beautifully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiT9oMPPsmI

Maggy Scraggle, Friday, 2 May 2025 13:18 (one year ago)

wow that’s great!

brony james (k3vin k.), Monday, 12 May 2025 21:03 (one year ago)

if i could time travel i would go back to 1989 become Santa Claus and put Hats into my teenage selves stocking

llurk, Monday, 12 May 2025 21:46 (one year ago)

eight months pass...

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/the-blue-nile-a-walk-across-the-rooftops/

AWATR gets a sunday review

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Monday, 2 February 2026 01:53 (four months ago)

Really lovely review.

Tim F, Monday, 2 February 2026 06:22 (four months ago)

ive got to where Peace At Last is my top Nile. Love Came Down

llurk, Monday, 2 February 2026 23:09 (four months ago)

Seems like 2019 or about, read that Paul's second solo album was done and set for a fall release.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 3 February 2026 00:07 (four months ago)

I really hope paul is well but I can't overstate how much I need that next solo record

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 3 February 2026 02:46 (four months ago)

the teaser for the new jane schoenbrun film advertises “original music by alex g with vocals from paul buchanan of the blue nile”………..

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 February 2026 19:10 (three months ago)

wait, I saw schoenbrun say those words on twitter, but I didn’t realize they were referring to the score of the new movie…

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 14 February 2026 02:41 (three months ago)

https://pitchfork.com/news/alex-g-the-blue-nile-paul-buchanan-to-score-jane-schoenbrun-new-film/

oh man

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 14 February 2026 02:42 (three months ago)

Yeah a definite plus for sure. Will be fascinating to hear the end results!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 February 2026 16:59 (three months ago)

two months pass...

lovely edit of heatwave here...

https://bleachingagent.bandcamp.com/track/hw-version-2

Ash Ra Pimples (NickB), Monday, 20 April 2026 17:33 (one month ago)

Will pick that up. Version 1 is nice, also.

But BOO for the rise of "Buchanan's album release?" hope, dashed on the rocks.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 20 April 2026 18:46 (one month ago)

Paul Buchanan turned 70 last week. Doesn’t bode well for new material.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 20 April 2026 18:51 (one month ago)

girl, he’s appearing on a movie score in just a few months

ivy., Monday, 20 April 2026 19:07 (one month ago)

Ooh exciting. Searches internet. One track. Ah well, going to be great anyway.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 20 April 2026 19:49 (one month ago)

two weeks pass...

listening to a jazz mix this morning and this came up -- I didn't clock it until the chorus and then it blew me away. there's a whole album of it from last year!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7jQ0d5RKkg-

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 6 May 2026 15:21 (one month ago)

oh hell yeah

shaking babies (map), Wednesday, 6 May 2026 15:29 (one month ago)

partial to their "let's go out tonight"

shaking babies (map), Wednesday, 6 May 2026 15:40 (one month ago)


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