― Dan Perry, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Search: Lolita Nation & Big Shot Chronicles They're two seminal albums IMHO.
― JC, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Furthermore I advise lovers of Paisley Underground to search for True West: the first EP and the album Drifters.
Reinald op den Buijs, The Netherlands
― Reinald, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Richard Kopecky, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 04:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
Not sure if they were really paisley underground, but definitely search them anyway. A mighty fine band. Get anything, but maybe start with 'Moonhead' or the double live.
Dream Syndicate - search 'Medicine Show' and 'Live at Rajis'. 'Days of Wine & Roses' is alright too.
Green on Red - haven't heard the first couple, but 'Killer Inside Me' and 'Here Come the Snakes' are excellent.
I'd say the Bangles first album is pretty good, though maybe not essential.
― James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 09:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
As far as 3 O'Clock, how about that raging gee-tar on "Simon In The Park"? That tune and "Underwater" were in my head for weeks during my continent-wide road trip I just underwent, having broken out that album during it. Very hooky and sticky, those tunes from "Arrive Without Travelling". I do like that album although I wish he'd stop trying to sound British.
On the other side of the Atlantic I really liked, from that period, the Dukes of Stratosphear's "Chips From the Chocolate Fireball", a compilation of two releases from XTC's alter ego.
Senor Pea
― Pea Jade Tree, Tuesday, 23 December 2003 08:38 (twenty years ago) link
Much better than the Pandoras (sorry Gwynne).
― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 09:00 (twenty years ago) link
― alex in montreal, Thursday, 26 August 2004 03:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link
well no Tim, they weren't, but they were very good.
― jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 03:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― danny benair, Thursday, 9 February 2006 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 9 February 2006 01:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― dan (dan), Thursday, 9 February 2006 02:17 (eighteen years ago) link
does anyone have an opinion on the Long Ryders? thinking about getting into this paisley thing
― lukevalentine, Sunday, 25 October 2009 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Long Ryders are very good, with some great moments. If you can find the 2CD "Anthology", that'll be everything you'll ever need.
My fave Paisley Underground band is Dream Syndicate, who also have a great best-of you can likely get for cheap.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 25 October 2009 13:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Right on... any of these bands I should avoid? i'm just getting into this stuff and a lot of it is sounding similar to my ears...
― lukevalentine, Sunday, 25 October 2009 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link
avoid everything except:
Game Theory - Lolita Nation - one of the best 80's records, long out of print.Dream Syndicate Three o'clockRain Parade
― Zeno, Sunday, 25 October 2009 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Was interviewing Sid Griffin yesterday for a piece about the Paisely Underground. He maintains the PU is only these bands:Long Ryders(early) BanglesDream SyndicateGreen on RedThree O'ClockRain Parade
And nothing else. Only those six bands. Others were doing similar things - True West especially - but were not PU because they were not based in LA or not part of the original scene.
― Trans-Europe Stopping Train (ithappens), Friday, 15 February 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
those are pretty much the bands i think of. opal, maybe?
― tylerw, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
I thought the Paisley Underground were all supposed to have connections to Davis & whichever college is out there. So may be subjective to a couple of different schools of thought?
― Stevolende, Friday, 15 February 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
Sid's view is Quercio coined the phrase, and applied it to The Three O'Clock, plus the five other groups who all lived within a few blocks of each other in West Hollywood. Davis - despite Wynn having come down from there - being a different thing all together.
I said that in Europe it had a different meaning, largely because of Zippo records - which put out stuff by five of those original groups, plus True West, Giant Sand etc - and became by default "the Paisley Underground label", so anything on it got the PU tag.
― Trans-Europe Stopping Train (ithappens), Saturday, 16 February 2013 09:00 (eleven years ago) link
What about The Leaving Trains? At least at the time of their first album they're spoken about as being part of that scene, and they shared lots of the same bills, etc.
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Saturday, 16 February 2013 10:35 (eleven years ago) link
I thought i read the Davis thing in an article I read online last year or the year before, either written by one of the people directly involved or in a quote from them. Not sure if the article dated from the same time could have been around for a while.
Am I remembering right that the Suspects were formed while members attended the college there and contained central members of bands later on that scene.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 16 February 2013 11:16 (eleven years ago) link
I love that Danny Benair maybe (?) posted to this thread.
I'd never heard this before: Paisley Underground supergroup doing covers. Actually not as good as any of their individual records, but a nice sign of the scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui2VjVqgM_U
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 5 September 2013 04:42 (eleven years ago) link
Big thing I did earlier this year about the PU scene
― Wantaway Striker (ithappens), Thursday, 5 September 2013 09:17 (eleven years ago) link
Nobody here has mentioned 28th Day and that's just wrong; I know some of you have heard of Barbara Manning.
― Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Thursday, 5 September 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
Hello, Flower People!
As an unrepentant beaded one, I must share that Michael Quercio has a "Paisley Underground Consortium" radio show. I was very excited to discover this but be warned that it is "paisley" in the broadest sense of the term. Expect to hear more than chiming guitars and tambourines! He plays classical , folk, etc.
― We Play House Music (I M Losted), Friday, 6 September 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
Oh sorry - p.s. it is on Luxuria Music, which you flower kids should embrace anyway:
http://www.luxuriamusic.com/djprofiles/michael-quercio
― We Play House Music (I M Losted), Friday, 6 September 2013 01:18 (eleven years ago) link
28th Day is fantastic, I can't believe the Complete Recordings is $50 used on Amazon! Cole Marquis's other work (solo, Downsiders, Snowmen, Sunbirds) all ranges from good to great.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 6 September 2013 01:25 (eleven years ago) link
that rainy day record covered a lot of ground for 15 year old me. had never heard rainy day, holocaust, or flying on the ground before that and they're all lovelylovely versions - a gateway to me for some bands
― making plans for nyquil (outdoor_miner), Friday, 6 September 2013 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
Love 28th Day, but never really thought of them as being PU.
― Wandering Boy Poet, Friday, 6 September 2013 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2013/10/08/paisley-underground-reunion-concerts/
― DonkeyTeeth, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 16:08 (ten years ago) link
An interesting band I never see anything about was The Fool Killers, made up of remnants of True West, who I never thought were particularly paisley to begin with. The live show I saw in the early 90s was supremely psychedelic in a Thin White Rope way.
― Low down bad refrigerator (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 17:09 (ten years ago) link
Regarding 'Rainy Day' being "not as good as any of their individual records," I have to disagree as it's probably my favorite in the genre.
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
Except for 'Happy Nightmare Baby'.
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:47 (ten years ago) link
Interesting bill although I assume Dream Syndicate will consist of more current membership, and I haven't listened to the others in ages.
EYEBALLS: Obviously you kept in touch with Mark and Dennis, but was there ever any effort to put the original lineup back together? Or are Karl (Precoda) and Kendra (Smith) out of music entirely?
WYNN: Neither of them are playing very much. I really have no contact with Karl, and very little with Kendra, so that wasn’t ever a possibility. I have stayed in touch with Paul Cutler, the second guitarist, and we’ve remained really good friends, but he wasn’t interested in doing any kind of reunion or a tour
http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2013/05/22/steve-wynn-dream-syndicate-reunion-interview/
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link
I don't know too much about True West but the first couple of Russ Tolman solo albums are great aren't they? I particularly like Galveston Mud off the debut (Totem Poles & Glory Holes) and Domino off Earthquake Town.
― gotta lol geir (NickB), Thursday, 14 November 2013 23:20 (ten years ago) link
Just got back from the LA reunion concert. It was fun... for once I wasn't the oldest person in the crowd.
I never saw the Precoda-less Dream Syndicate. Weird seeing them now... wildly furious sound that would put the Replacements to shame, but I miss the unsettled noir sound that made the first album so great. I love that the Three O'Clock is like that part in the Monkees when the camera speeds up. "No Easy Way Down" is still the most mind bending song this whole scene came up with.
The Bangles played a stunningly gorgeous cover of "I'm Waiting For The Man" that merged seamlessly into "Manic Monday." After that Vicki announced "tonight we're playing as The Bangs - nothing later than 1984!" Time travel ensued. They were the best band back then. Certainly the best now.
Noted that during the big finale with everyone + Rodney on stage that no one sang with Wynn.
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 7 December 2013 11:59 (ten years ago) link
so jealous
― kel's vintage port (electricsound), Saturday, 7 December 2013 12:03 (ten years ago) link
^
I was all set to see the Dream Syndicate this year, but I didn't have a ticket and there were only a few left on the door, and my bus got stuck in traffic on the way there, so it was sold out by the time I got there :'(
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 7 December 2013 12:06 (ten years ago) link
^^^Forgot all about this, but I suppose it sold out soon after going on sale in October.
― nickn, Monday, 9 December 2013 02:11 (ten years ago) link
Erm... it wasn't a sellout. I bought my ticket the day before.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 9 December 2013 05:41 (ten years ago) link
Now I'm double-bummed.
― nickn, Monday, 9 December 2013 07:35 (ten years ago) link
Rain Parade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fzLapSlEyY
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:22 (ten years ago) link
Dream Syndicate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WxG4-WpiFk
Three O'Clock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Koxw3EIwXA
Bangles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNiO-OoWYUo
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 06:23 (ten years ago) link
Finale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJvrmrAyyn0
Oh … I didn't know about this. Not that I could have gone. But when I interviewed the PU bands earlier this year, I said to them all: why don't you do a package show? And they all went … Yeah, we should! That would be great! Maybe this was the result …
― Unsettled defender (ithappens), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 09:31 (ten years ago) link
2cd Suspects anthology sethttp://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=618084
― Stevolende, Sunday, 1 April 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
Yow!
https://www.npr.org/sections/world-cafe/2018/10/09/655594303/hear-the-bangles-cover-the-three-oclock-for-paisley-underground-compilation?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=music
― timellison, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:42 (five years ago) link
Quercio is MAGA per his own FB
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 01:20 (five years ago) link
Bangles lineup for this is original four piece with Annette Zilinskas.
― timellison, Thursday, 11 October 2018 04:34 (five years ago) link
I came here to say I really like the 3x4 album but now because of this thread I've looked at Quercio's Facebook page and it made me a little sad. Not so much his politics, which are scattershot, but just he seems like a doofus.
Good album tho.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 23 February 2019 04:32 (five years ago) link
ET, are you catching these Rain Parade recordings that are going up on D1me at the moment? A couple I've never seen before.
― Maresn3st, Saturday, 1 May 2021 21:53 (three years ago) link
Speaking of the Dream Syndicate, I posted this on an ILB thread re talk of a recent Matthew Specktor book about 80s etc., Always Crashing in the Same Car: On Art, Crisis, and Los Angeles:Would I enjoy a whole book by Matthew Specktor, mooning around the smog of L.A.? Maybe---I do enjoy the detailed, flashlight clarity of his thoughts and feelings about the Dream Syndicate, especially live, leading to the download of his collection (the link still works, I just now used it again)https://saveyourface.posthaven.com/the-dream-syndicate-live-1982-1983
― dow, Tuesday, 19 April 2022 20:32 (two years ago) link
But also I came here because nickn suggested it might be a good place for this:
Savage RepublicMeteoraMobilization Recordings20 May 2022
Mobilization Recordings
20 May 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LOWuMFaXSE
Savage Republic will release their album Meteora out May 20 in North America via Mobilization Recordings.Hailing from the Los Angeles underground of the 1980’s, Savage Republic forged an astonishing reputation for themselves as art-post punk-industrial pioneers. Throughout the 1980s, their five albums combined with their legendary live performances blurred and distorted the boundaries of post-punk, industrial, and soundtrack music – all wrapped up beautifully in Bruce Licher’s innovative graphic design.After 1989, the Republic went quiet. 13 years passed before they would briefly resurface for a US reunion tour in support of the reissue of their five studio albums and related singles on CD. Thom Fuhrmann, Ethan Port, and Greg Grunke revived the band in 2005, and in 2006 they added drummer extraordinaire Alan Waddington to the fold. This lineup released the full length 1938 LP on Neurot Recordings (2007) and a pounding tribal cover of The Cure’s “Hanging Garden” on a compilation CD included in the French magazine Fear Drop #14 (2008).In 2009, Savage Republic decided to raise their game. With the departure of Greg Grunke, multi-instrumentalist and recording engineer Kerry Dowling joined the band and they’ve never looked back since! The current four-piece line up (Thom Fuhrmann, Ethan Port, Kerry Dowling, and Alan Waddington) has taken the band’s discography to a whole new level with their bombastic live performances. Touring Europe regularly, they have created a live set that never lets the audience catch a breath – four musicians in their 40’s, 50’s, and 60’s playing with the passion and energy of bands 1/3 their ages.This longest running lineup of the band have released the full length albums Varvakios (2012) and Aegean (2014), and singles “1938”/”Taranto” – on Italian label “A Silent Place” (2009), “God and Guns”/”Tranquilo” (2018), and “1938”/”Siam” (2019) – recorded by Steve Albini at Electrical Audio during their Midwest Trek tour and capturing more of the raw energy this lineup unleashes in the live setting.Meteora features some of Savage Republic's best work yet. Self-recorded in a secret cavernous location, their mix of tribal textures, political anthems and Morricone-esque surf instrumentals once again transport the listener to faraway lands at turns both haunting and beautiful. One of many highlights of Meteora is the pandemic inspired piece “Unprecedented” (gifted to the band by Wire’s Graham Lewis) that is sure to become a staple in their set list. This longest-lasting lineup of Savage Republic have infused all the power of their legendary live performances into a cinematic sonic dreamscape.Over the decades, Savage Republic has performed with or collaborated with similar like-minded artists including Blaine L. Reininger of Tuxedomoon, Einstürzende Neubauten, Flipper, David Yow, Camper Van Beethoven, The Dream Syndicate, Psi-Com, 100 Flowers, Kommunity FK, Christian Death, Sonic Youth, Live Skull, members of Big Black, The Minutemen, Fugazi, the Buzzcocks, and Graham Lewis of Wire.
After 1989, the Republic went quiet. 13 years passed before they would briefly resurface for a US reunion tour in support of the reissue of their five studio albums and related singles on CD. Thom Fuhrmann, Ethan Port, and Greg Grunke revived the band in 2005, and in 2006 they added drummer extraordinaire Alan Waddington to the fold. This lineup released the full length 1938 LP on Neurot Recordings (2007) and a pounding tribal cover of The Cure’s “Hanging Garden” on a compilation CD included in the French magazine Fear Drop #14 (2008).
In 2009, Savage Republic decided to raise their game. With the departure of Greg Grunke, multi-instrumentalist and recording engineer Kerry Dowling joined the band and they’ve never looked back since! The current four-piece line up (Thom Fuhrmann, Ethan Port, Kerry Dowling, and Alan Waddington) has taken the band’s discography to a whole new level with their bombastic live performances. Touring Europe regularly, they have created a live set that never lets the audience catch a breath – four musicians in their 40’s, 50’s, and 60’s playing with the passion and energy of bands 1/3 their ages.
This longest running lineup of the band have released the full length albums Varvakios (2012) and Aegean (2014), and singles “1938”/”Taranto” – on Italian label “A Silent Place” (2009), “God and Guns”/”Tranquilo” (2018), and “1938”/”Siam” (2019) – recorded by Steve Albini at Electrical Audio during their Midwest Trek tour and capturing more of the raw energy this lineup unleashes in the live setting.
Meteora features some of Savage Republic's best work yet. Self-recorded in a secret cavernous location, their mix of tribal textures, political anthems and Morricone-esque surf instrumentals once again transport the listener to faraway lands at turns both haunting and beautiful. One of many highlights of Meteora is the pandemic inspired piece “Unprecedented” (gifted to the band by Wire’s Graham Lewis) that is sure to become a staple in their set list. This longest-lasting lineup of Savage Republic have infused all the power of their legendary live performances into a cinematic sonic dreamscape.
Over the decades, Savage Republic has performed with or collaborated with similar like-minded artists including Blaine L. Reininger of Tuxedomoon, Einstürzende Neubauten, Flipper, David Yow, Camper Van Beethoven, The Dream Syndicate, Psi-Com, 100 Flowers, Kommunity FK, Christian Death, Sonic Youth, Live Skull, members of Big Black, The Minutemen, Fugazi, the Buzzcocks, and Graham Lewis of Wire.
If you have any questions, contact caroline at clarioncallmedia.com.
― dow, Tuesday, 19 April 2022 20:36 (two years ago) link
I guess Jellyfish was post-Paisley Underground?
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 19 April 2022 20:43 (two years ago) link
FWIW, Dream Syndicate's doing LA and NYC shows this January with Vicki Peterson & John Cowsill as their opener.
LA's on sale now, NYC goes on sale on Friday.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 04:41 (eleven months ago) link
Wow, thanks for the tip!
― Dose of Thunderwords (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 27 September 2023 05:14 (eleven months ago) link
Did anybody mention the Dream Syndicate live archive being up on archive.org.So loads of stuff similar to the Day Before Wine & Roses from the Kendra era.& I think up to date.
Used to be a site great for Grateful Dead live sets.Also really good for out of print books on a load of subjects.
― Stevo, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 15:01 (eleven months ago) link
I love archive.org but I'm also bracing for it to mostly come down, namely the print material. They got sued by some of the major publishers and lost - case is currently being appealed, but if any of those books you read are downloadable, I'd download them as soon as you can.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 16:18 (eleven months ago) link
(see here for reference: https://blog.archive.org/2023/09/11/internet-archive-files-appeal-in-publishers-lawsuit-against-libraries/ )
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 16:20 (eleven months ago) link
tha's a drag.
― Stevo, Wednesday, 27 September 2023 17:34 (eleven months ago) link