^^^hipster metal all.^^^
― the not-metal one (Ioannis), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link
wow what a coup for hipster metal
― call all destroyer, Friday, 22 January 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
But when confronted with a piece which does exactly that, you switch the terms of debate.
yes and no. i mean, i gave the powell piece partial credit -- it at least tries to connect the band to other things in the culture. but limiting the terms of discussion to himself and how he and his dad react differently and how "isn't this all about growing up" and so on still to me seems plagued with exactly the kind of insularity that afflicts an awful lot of writing about indie by indie fans for indie fans. on the music writing thread i was a defender of first-person writing having at least a legitimate place in criticism, but that whole lead-in to the animal collective essay seems like the kind of first-person stuff that people were objecting to on that thread. solipsism taking the place of insight. so i guess to be clearer, i'm not just interested in whether 20something paralegals in omaha like animal collective, but, you know ... why. why this music, why now. there's actually an interesting line in a current pitchfork review of the 'campfire songs' reissue:
The music also illustrates the drift away from masculine beats and toward sensual waves that has been indie music's prevailing current in recent years, as rock influences have lost ground.
... which is a good observation, but it doesn't really connect it to things deeper in the AC/indie ethos, it just sort of observes that it's going on. i guess what i value about good cultural criticism is that it can make connections and reveal things going on in the culture, well beyond the boundaries of whatever song or book or movie happens to be under consideration. you can of course also take that too far, parsing every beyoncé song for what it says about bank bailouts, but in general i think popular criticism tends to not examine enough what's going on in the substrata. so, i mean, if you're going to write about animal collective being the "album of the year," you know, that could/should say something about the year, or the decade, or the subculture that produced, or whatever. i like that powell's dad didn't like all the reverb (me either), but ... why does it sound that way? what does that sound mean?
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link
can we talk about frontrunners for Pazz and Jop 2010 here?
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/sports/prince-reveals-song-for-vikings-saints-game
― in the name of the purple and gold (HI DERE), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link
okay wtf
― you forgot what a hardcore blogger is (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
did he jack a melody from the lutheran hymn book?
all this "why doesn't Pitchfork cover ___?!" handwringing reminds me of the identity politics of the 90s where people (incl. me) would complain about corporate media and its blinders and how there were no [insert minority/niche figures] on TV or in Rolling Stone or whatever. Except now its backwards and you people are complaining about how the little "indie" doesn't cover "mainstream" stuff. oh teh lolz
― I'm bored, I think I'll become a beatnik (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link
like, eagerly awaiting Brad Paisley appearing on Pitchfork TV in an "indie websites STILL suck" t-shirt
― I'm bored, I think I'll become a beatnik (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link
TABLES...TURNED
― I'm bored, I think I'll become a beatnik (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
I didn't ask why, and I wasn't handwringing or demanding change, for the record.
― some dude, Friday, 22 January 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
but, y'know, thanks for playing, shakey reading comprehension collier
not really referring to you but thx for taking it personally some dude
― I'm bored, I think I'll become a beatnik (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
THIS WHOLE COURT IS OUT OF ORDER!
*shits in a bag*
*lights it on fire*
― you forgot what a hardcore blogger is (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
*reviews bag of fire*
*give it a 4.3*
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link
*eats some Häagen-Dazs*
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
lol
― I'm bored, I think I'll become a beatnik (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
"That bag of fire so deserved the monkey pissing in its own mouth. I mean, c'mon."
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 22 January 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, i liked his early shits-in-a-bag-and-sets-it-on-fire antics sooooo much better. you know, like, back when he was still "cutting edge," man.
― the not-metal one (Ioannis), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link
"I've got a few of his early ziplocs that were just outstanding, but the full bag loses some of that charm."
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 22 January 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
*reissues early flaming bags of shit on 180 gram vinyl*
― you forgot what a hardcore blogger is (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
*reviews reissue in the form of a short story involving two young hipsters having sex and eating ice cream in an American Apparel changing room*
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
*wooooooooooooooaaaaaah MY BAG IS ON FIREEEEEE*
― Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
*blogs that the review is third-rate Tao Lin*
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Brown vinyl, splatter finish.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 22 January 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
*breaks up for 15 years*
*reunites to shit in a bag in its entirety at all tomorrow's parties*
― you forgot what a hardcore blogger is (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link
*tweets about shit*
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link
the non GAPDY chart is 1. old ppl voting for old ppl records, and 2. young people voting for rap, metal and actually progressive music
ie, what pazz and jop should be about. thanks glenn
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 22 January 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
why cant old people vote for non old people music?
― Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link
they just don't understand progressive music
― iatee, Friday, 22 January 2010 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes they do.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 22 January 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link
no they don't, didn't you read whiney's post
― iatee, Friday, 22 January 2010 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link
you dumb dicks
all i;m just saying i assume it's not the twitterati making the roseanne cash record and allan toussaint records so high. sorry my pitch post wasnt all inclusive
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 22 January 2010 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link
just wait for the reformed ELP album to hit the top 10 in the 2010 poll. So be careful for what you wish for! (Hint never let LJ vote)
― Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link
twitterati
stop it
― Prof. Einstein Geniuspants (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link
rofl
― Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link
― iatee
I was trying to make a joke. About Yes. The progressive rock band. Loved by old people.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 22 January 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link
complicated joke
― iatee, Friday, 22 January 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link
...and LJ.
xp d'oh!
― the not-metal one (Ioannis), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 22 January 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost to tipsy ok different strokes, then. But at this point, I'd say that any insular writing on Merriweather Post Pavilion is justified given the backlash. The poll winner has now become a cocoon in which to hide from all the haters. :)
― Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 23 January 2010 09:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Rolling pazz & jop poll 2009 no haters!
― some dude, Saturday, 23 January 2010 12:23 (fourteen years ago) link
actually i like the idea of mpp as a cocoon. that says more about it than most things i've read. i'm just not sure there's a butterfly at the other end...
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 23 January 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
there's poop at the other end IMO
― you forgot what a hardcore blogger is (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 23 January 2010 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link
what a tragedy for butterflies
― when I met you last night, baby, before you opened up your GAPDY (The Reverend), Saturday, 23 January 2010 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link
doesn't everyone get this upset every year?
― Emily's Cheese, Saturday, 23 January 2010 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link
You may be using "indie manifestation" in a way different than I can imagine at the moment but this is patently incorrect. There was always a disco underground on independent labels running parallel to (and sometimes in tandem with) the mainstream hits/lifeworld, esp. fertile in the early 1980s when disco "died."
I'm using it very differently Kevin. Nothing to do with being independent and underground.
― Tim F, Saturday, 23 January 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Ok if you have the time/inclination, feel free to explain.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 23 January 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link
hey guys I missed this thread but is the jist of it that ilx just figured out that polls are kinda lame y/n
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Sunday, 24 January 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link
J0hn is a big fan
― Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 24 January 2010 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost Nope. Quite the opposite. They are the Woodstocks of their times and YOU missed out on them, buddy! Jump on board next year so you don't get that empty, apathetic, Gen Xy feeling.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 24 January 2010 00:04 (fourteen years ago) link