― Lord Custos III, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s woods, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― DG, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel --, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Queen I am neither Buffy nor the Messiah G, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think that having read the thread there seems to be far more of a connection than I would've thought abt before but I have never given much thought to Guns and roses (its just time and place, I guess).
Both bands are something you grow out of but you'll always remember the happy memories they gave you. In terms of sound it's different and the same. I definetely get the stones' comparison to both and lyrically they did appeal to adolescents, just like every other band who had some degree of success. Guns n'Roses are surely more in the minds of other bands because they were huge. The smiths had a few chart hits in the UK but were a cult following.
Nirvana's seuccess of course, is due to the use of the power chord. they were a heavy metal band with diff. lyrical themes (though maybe not so far from the Roses). grunge is what you get when you splice punk w/heavy metal.
Its amazing to think Calum has a degree. He is acting like some bad comedian out of the 1970s (Bernard Manning comes to mind). No wonder Mark E Smith hates students. Like nabisco, i thought he must have been 13 or so. It boggles the mind.
''Sorry, everyone for acting embarrassingly like Julio and even bothering to engage over this one.''
Oh, come off it Nabisco...the way ILM is constructed, you can get into arguments that just snowball. You have argued at quite a lenght too and so have quite a few on the Sleeper thread. But yes, it is time to stop and get back into more constructive, thought-provoking discussions.
― Julio Desouza, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel --, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― geeta, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos III, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel --, Sunday, 30 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
On the website Smith & Wesson, I could find only superficial similarites. 1. Controversial lyrics: not uncommon (great for publicity as well) Now if they had controversial lyrics for the *same* reason,then I would've been more impressed. But as it is, Moz's controversial lyrics are not nearly as controversial as "faggots, niggers, hating immigrants" of GNR's. 2. Bands featuring "one-named" members. Common as well. 3. Neither singers used their real name. Typically it's the singer who is "one-named" in which case obviously he would not be using his real name. Name-changing is quite common.4. Both lead guitarists are from the UK, and neither used their real name. Here we go with the name thing again. Is it that big of a deal to mention it 3 times? It is interesting that both were from the UK however..5. Members of both bands declare their supremacy. Quite common as well.
In the end, these parallels don't really stand out much.
The only major parallels I see between the two are the following:1. Both GNR and The Smiths served to creating a huge buzz in their respective music worlds with continued fascination to this day.2. Both bands seemed to have arrived at a musically dreary period and helped rejuvenate the music scene. 3. Both bands thrived on controversy. 4. Axel on quest for
― anonymoususer, Saturday, 12 October 2002 16:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 06:29 (nineteen years ago) link
the strokes' first impressions of earth = what "guns 'n' roses as the american version of the smiths" really sounds like? use your illusion I + strangeways?
― dancing chicken (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 30 January 2006 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link
(I still stand by my Weezer comparison as being apt for late nineties/early this decade time. Now, not so much.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 January 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 30 January 2006 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Monday, 30 January 2006 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― -- (688), Sunday, 13 August 2006 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Sunday, 13 August 2006 06:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Bright Eyes is a much better place to start. But unforunately there is no American version of the Smiths. There couldn't be.
― Kiss My Grits! (Bimble...), Sunday, 13 August 2006 07:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Plus one was a stadium rock outfit who were in it for the money the drugs and the groupies.
And some members of the Smiths weren't?
i am not american, and i am still horny over the september reelease date for chinese democracy
-- Queen I am neither Buffy nor the Messiah G (effexxo...) (webmail), June 29th, 2002 2:00 AM.
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― m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 13 August 2006 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pete W (peterw), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― got so much $ can't spend it so fast (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link
So axl ended up being less racist than morrissey
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 22 January 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago) link
has morrissey ever came out with anything as bad "one in a million"? i mean he's obv a racist but come on.
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 22 January 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
Bengali in Platforms is probably an obvious one.
― earlnash, Sunday, 22 January 2012 03:22 (twelve years ago) link
I think bengali is kinda worse in a way
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
haha previous ilm discussion of "bengali in platforms" is sort of weird
― horseshoe, Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
It's more smug and paternal and super condescending
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
And because axl is so emotional and scattershot and troubled than moz, I'm more inclined to believe he was channeling his ugly feelings from when he first moved to l.a., where miz again and again has said out of line shit and always seems really calculating and manipulative in how he presents it
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know that morrissey is not troubled, but i guess his persona is lot less volatile than axl's, yeah
― horseshoe, Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
nice Morrissey quote:
"Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare?" he said. "Absolutely horrific. You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies."
I think if we're looking for proof or racism, we might have something definitive hidden away in that sentence.
― Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 22 January 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
Blue Oyster Cult.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Don Nots (Mount Cleaners) (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
in a better world, perhaps
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
there was the whole "wrapping himself in a Union Jack in front of a large crowd of skinheads" incident to add to Moz's record too.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
'Skinheads' or Morrissey fans?
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
it was a Madness concert in the early 90s, in Finsbury Park. The way the NME painted it, there were a lot of NF types there.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
Right. Far be it for me to defend Morrissey (there's a first time for everything) but it's hardly his fault if some other band's fans contain a few fascists.
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
Suggs from Madness was like best friends with the dude from Skrewdriver right? I thought Madness had a lot of ties to WP skinhead stuff under the surface
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
xp But to then wrap oneself in the flag, in the full knowledge of the type of audience you're in front of, seems ill-advised at best, and extremely dodgy at worst.
― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
Well, there was a rumour that he'd been friends with a guy from Skrewdriver, not the main guy, but who knows? And a lot of Madness' early fans were skinheads so, given that scene at the time, it's likely there were a few wrong 'uns among them.
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not gonna post stuff from skrewdriver bio sites, but anyway i found a bunch of wiki stuff that said suggs worked as a roadie for skrewdriver and when suggs moved out to his own house the ian main dude took his old room and lived with sugg's mom in her house for a while
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
(i guess that was "stuff" i meant links)
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link