letz talk abt gucci mane

i'm confused about "shine blockas" too, i mean i really like it but...not the best of anything.

between that list & the electrik red one it's like 40% ilx, 50% my aim buddy list & 10% people who read so many shrimp

it's sort of depressing how small an impact our obvious consensus picks really have

also "soldier" is amazing

i dunno, lex, the consensus around the-dream seems pretty ilm-spawned, it just took a couple years to mushroom outwards. that does point to ilm-consensus as being slower to penetrate the larger crit-world than, say, p4k-consensus, but duh a lot more people read pitchfork than read ilm

ppl hate azzerad? cuz i fuckin' love that book, super inspiring stories in there.

no but who thinks he identifies great rap singles

shine blockas rox u r all gay

i dunno, lex, the consensus around the-dream seems pretty ilm-spawned, it just took a couple years to mushroom outwards. that does point to ilm-consensus as being slower to penetrate the larger crit-world than, say, p4k-consensus, but duh a lot more people read pitchfork than read ilm

― i'd look psychotic in a baklava (The Reverend), Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:57 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i remain v skeptical about The-Dream hype being ilm-spawned -- basically he triangulates a lot of things (moderately popular as an artist but big time producer/writer, weird/bad singing voice, idiosyncratic auteur vibe, multi-song suites and concept-y albums) that were always going to mark him as way more indie/critic-friendly than the overwhelming majority of mainstream R&B.

its not ilm spawned ilm were just early adapters (well the 8 of us who paid attention to him around the 1st album anyway)

his 1st album was a sleeper hit as much commercially as it was critically, but please, continue back-patting

"i helped shape the critical consensus on the-dream and all i got was this lousy t-shirt"

Yeah, I just think a lot of the people who weren't paying attention the first time around and then did pick up on the 2nd album wouldn't have done so if we hadn't gotten the ball rolling on him critically. I mean, if it can all be boiled down to who The-Dream is and what he does, then why only the new album and not Love/Hate? I think the answer is obvious: critical momentum.

xp: I'm not trying to be all I/we were there first. I'm just observing, not taking credit.

im not sure what your point is -- lots of 'just folks' were sleeping on him too? so we werent even taking our cues from what was popular -- *pats self on the back more*

xps to al

the first album sold more and had more hits!

it's kinda weird that the first album got slept on to the extent it did, given the magnitude of the hits he'd written

rev the ball was kinda rolling on him critically with or without ilm, imo. there were ppl into him outside of this sphere as well

fair, I just didn't see it at the time (which could be a sign of my own myopia, sure), whereas when LvM came out it all of a sudden plaudits all over the place, 4.5 stars in RS, etc

fwiw:

Jonathan Bradley
David Drake
Tim Finney
Rob Harvilla
Andy Kellman
Tal Rosenberg
Alfred Soto
Kye Stephenson

Moving away from Terius for just a moment, only three voters for Ryan Leslie, one of which was me:

Brandon Soderberg
Ian Steaman
Renato Pagnani

Very disappointing.

i voted for 'transition'

it's kinda weird that the first album got slept on to the extent it did, given the magnitude of the hits he'd written

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:22 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, Love/Hate dropped like 6 months after "Umbrella" hit, and virtually every other major hit he's had besides "Bed" has been since then -- it's not like Ne-Yo's first album coming a solid year and a half after "Let Me Love You' or something, The-Dream jumped from writer of hit songs to major label artist pretty much overnight.

anyway that first album got tons of positive and sometimes rave reviews in Rolling Stone, NYT, Vibe, Entertainment Weekly, Pop Matters, etc. upon its initial release, way before he was an 'ILM favorite.'

yeahm the whole ILM embrace of the dream seemed like it came somewhere after poptimist major mag coverage, but before the dribbles of alt adoption

aight, point conceded

that all bypassed me and I never saw it later, so I just didn't know

Oh, deej, you're D4v1d Dr4ke? Makes sense now.

who

D@v1d "Aubrey Graham" Dr@ke

resident of sage francis's nuts

Davey Drako

LOL why did it change the vowels of his name into numbers? (I'm new here if you can't tell.)

And no? Yes? I'm confused now.

one of the moderators is google-proofing the real names of posters

we should have a spartacus moment right now

love the dr@ke

<3 dr@k3's c0ff33 c@k3

Surprisingly, the confusion has not lessened.

(pssst....he's not that dr@ke dude, like he's DRAKE [email protected] heard?)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/thelife/news/story?id=4837019

drummer for gay dad

Paul Shirley is an anagram for my name, glad u enjoyed my pseudonymous satire

Clumsy descriptions of sexual methods and locations? Check.

i think he meant

As such, by the time my family had finished tiding its collective yule, my cache of music was as depleted.......UN RICE TRUCK AFTER SIX HOURS IN A SUDANESE REFUGE CAMP.

havent read that espn piece yet but paul shirley is one of the most consistently entertainingly horrible music writers on earth. they should give dude a P&J ballot, what could it hurt

Kid Cudi isn't just a rapper, he's a singer-songwriter.

^______________^

paul shirley's (hopefully urgently needed) epitaph:

I'm no great spokesman for race relations

heard lemonade on the radio last night btw, sounds INCREDIBLE in radio context

presidential lifestyle you can call me gucci bush
or gucci nixon cause i'm crooked smokin kush

ahaha

what is that from

amazing