Bjork's new program "Vespertine" Total Victory or Total Failure?

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(i really like vespertine and medĂșlla btw)

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

hmm, i don't know... i mean, the arrangements on vespertine are certainly not perfectionist to me, except for maybe hidden place. a lot of the treble heavy instrumentation on that album seems quite loosely arranged. and i don't think her voice has ever been perfectionist. it fluctuates, ebbs and flows - like a lot.

granted, i do think perfectionism is very different from making it what she wants it to be. i don't know she wants her voice to sound perfect - i've definitely heard her say something to this effect.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

*i don't know that she wants her voice to sound perfect.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

dan did you ever hear the 'oceania' duet with kelis?

I have! It's also awesome (and points out that the song itself is really really strong in addition to the renditions).

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know exactly what bjork's voice does technically (no doubt dan perry will inform us) but i think those ebbs-and-flows are precisely what she wants to do with it! i mean she's not trying to be xtina aguilera here, this much is obvious.

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I have! It's also awesome (and points out that the song itself is really really strong in addition to the renditions).

yes it definitely made me go back to the original and hear it with new ears - i'd previously thought 'oceania' was one of the more impenetrable tracks (compared with 'where is the line?' or 'who is it?') but it really isn't.

haha i've just remembered about 'ancestors'!!!

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

well i think it's a combination, Lex. bjork may very well want ebbs and flows in her voice. but at the same time, speaking as a singer, art is not only about what you want, but also about what you can do. there's that thing people say about modern art, you know, don't paint like picasso because you can't paint true to life - paint like picasso because you want to paint that way.

but it's always a compromise: what you want, and what your limitations are. i think bjork treds the line beautifully - in a sense, she is a perfectionist because her visions, whatever they may be in her own world, translate so well on record. on the other hand, to me, it seems like bjork has perfected a world of sound that isn't always perfect. that's how i hear it anyway.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

*modern art = abstract art.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

not to imply they're the same thing. just, that's what i meant to say! god why am i always so afraid of being picked apart on this damn site...

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

if you want to hear a perfectionist, listen to "Night of the Swallow." Seriously, a sound recommendation for anyone. Kate Bush's "Night of the Swallow" on The Dreaming. then talk to me about perfectionism!

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

god why am i always so afraid of being picked apart on this damn site...

What's that supposed to be mean?

Zachary Scott (Zach S), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

HA!

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

This was the first Bjork album I ever bought and ever heard for that matter (complete whim). I thought that buying the newest album at the time would be a good way to be introduced to her work (never a good idea with any artist). Needless to say, I hated it--for five years I would play it and I could never hear one track the whole way through. About a year and a half ago all of a sudden it was awesome and since then I've delved into her catalouge more (but not so much to be duped into buying box sets, just the needless live albums). After hearing Sugarcubes and Post and Homegenic and Debut and Telegram etc. this one is still my favorite. Granted it may not be her best album, I've driven so many cold nights with this that it will always be my favorite. Her notes in "Vespertine Live" are good in explaining her direction: she wanted it to sound isolated and "alone" with herself (ourselves) and that much I love about it. It doesn't have the density of sound like the others and that's what pushes me away from Debut and Post. I can barely stand "I Miss You," which says a lot for my bad taste. I'm mostly partial to the second half: the "Frosti" / "Aurora" one-two punch; "Sun In My Mouth"; "Harm of Will"; "Unison". "Selma Songs" is a close runner-up for me, and then "Medulla." Call me crazy.

earinfections (Nick Twisp), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

you should check out KUKL next, Nick (her pre-Sugarcubes band). Seriously.

I love Vespertine. I love the harp sound, I love the music boxes. I agree that the record emphasizes sound over songwriting, and it does wear a bit towards the end. Still, it has a lovely shimmering aura not unlike primo Cocteau Twins.

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

praise having now been given, i will say that i think the album needed more bass, hidden place being the exception to that. more bass and yes, more exciting songwriting in parts. and the bells, while beautiful, are indeed a bit redundant by the end.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

i still thnk my favorite bjork album may be debut. although i really don't know - it's so hard. i mean, homogenic is homogenic and post is breathtaking too. but debut - that quirky dance sensibility thing, i just love it. big time sensuality is one of my favorite songs ever. and there's more to life than this...

oh and that headphones song on post? now to me, there's an example of the beauty of the imperfect.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Post is still her best album, I think.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Also I wouldn't even begin to try deconstructing Bjork's vocal technique.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

why?... it's not that complicated. she has an accent, she sings with a lot of emotion and there is a lot of fluctuation in her voice. Post is great but for me, it's more spotty than Debut or Homogenic. But that's just me.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Her transition from belt to head voice is astonishing, plus the growls and yelps can't be explained by an accent unless I have a deep misunderstanding of Icelandic.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

"So when it comes to my voice, I just always sang the only way I can
sing, and that's it, really." Bjork quote from Pulse!

Again, art = what you want + what you can do.

I think it's fun deconstructing her voice - we should all be deconstructing anything of interest that seems too difficult to deconstruct. that's like what we do!

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

no, the growls and yelps can't be explained by her accent - certainly didn't imply as much. the growls and yelps can be explained by her emotion and creativity, methinks.

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

the growls and yelps are also indicators of Bjork's resistance to vocal stylings commonly considered palatable. they are markers of her drive to widen the boundaries of what is acceptable as popular music.

From the same Pulse! article:

"...I know I just can't sing like anyone else, and I still haven't found a singer who I can say is my hero or who has influenced me. I...admire a lot of singers and how larger than life, how big they are, but I haven't got anything in common with them. Just the sound of my voice, to begin with, or what I've experienced, just my life in general - there's no way I could compare myself to someone like Edith Piaf, or Maria Callas or Ella Fitzgerald, because they're just too distant from me, and I can't really learn from them either."

Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

six months pass...
Vespertine is still a really good intimate sex record.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

i completely disagree with melissa on this thread but i LOVE the crabbily vitriolic way she hates on it

lex pretend, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

pagan poetry is so beautiful. been listening to it a lot this weekend after years.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

The only Bjork album that holds up.

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

i love vespertine, but it's certainly not perfect. seems to get a lotta love, tho, which is cool.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

did this really come out 5 years ago?
jeez...time flies when you're doing stuff.

funny farm, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

So easily the best Bjork record.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

"program"

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

this and Homogenic tie for my fav

stephen, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

i know, ha.

really, this just gets better every year.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

(ha about "program")

Surmounter, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

wow mel w is so OffTM up there....yes, I think this is Bjork's best album; volta really pales in comparison.

akm, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

Surely Post and Debut are more "saccharine" than Vespertine?

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

No way is this Bjork's best album; both Post and Homogenic are light-years better.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

no

akm, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

yes

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

Post is a little too broad in its sound and Homogenic has quite a few duds in it. Vespertine is like one long beautifully produced track, but maybe others would prefer more variety and scope. I just like how intimate it is.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

What are the duds on Homogenic???

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

Can't remember. Somewhere near the middle, maybe? It gets a little choppy whereas Vespertine only tires near the end. I still really like it, though!

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Vespertine is perhaps two tracks too long. otherwise, perfect.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Medulla aside, she's basically spent her entire career trying to recreate those two albums; I think a solid case can be made for them being the cornerstones of her musical foundation.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe, but in that case Vespertine is the album Homogenic could have been. =)

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

It's really good, you should listen to it again. I just did.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

Medulla aside, she's basically spent her entire career trying to recreate those two albums; I think a solid case can be made for them being the cornerstones of her musical foundation.

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what albums are in imitation of Homogenic/Post?

Surmounter, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

maybe Vespertine/Volta? Just a guess. I'm not sure I agree though.

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

It's all to do with the colouring of the artwork

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

i would say definitely no for both of those.

Surmounter, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

ok

admrl, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 21:46 (eighteen years ago)


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