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Theirs, smartypants.

― Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I sometimes like Zappa and I think those criticisms are generally OTM...

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

That he doesn't like music and has no hummable tunes? That's what I was referring to.
Completely ridiculous.
"Gee, I really hate music so I'm going to devote the next 30 years of my life to releasing 50 LPs worth of it"

― Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, no, sorry. But why would John Cale be intimidated by Zappa?

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Cuz Franks peepee was bigger.
Who the fuck knows?

― Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember the movie "Vice Squad" with Wings Hauser as a psychotic LA pimp. Beats a woman on the genitals with a turned out coat hangar, she might've been played by one of the minor MTV VJs of the time. Zappa's "I'm the Slime," I think, was its signature tune.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

"I Am the Slime" on Saturday Night Livewas a great teevee moment for me -- actual slime oozing fron an on-stage monitor, and near-naked, sweating Terry Bozzio savaging the drum kit with unbelievable animal fury. I'd never seen anything like it.

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

FZ apparently had a blast when he was part of a "coneheads" skit ... so much so, that he had a song on you are what you is entitled "conehead'!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"It is significant that at least two members of the Velvet Underground have gone on record that Frank is a bummer."

Ken L, Lou Reed is also on record as absolutly hating Zappa/Mothers.

― Burr (Burr), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

if vaclav havel could have enough space in his heart for both frank zappa and lou reed, then so can we!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I like both, sure.
If it's all a matter of "b-b-but the Velvet Underground said he sucked!", well that's a hipsterist argument you can't win, VU uber alles etc etc.

― Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Zappa's ratio of albums released : albums worth owning if you're into him is much closer to a prolific jazz musician's than just about any of his peers in rock music. Most groups are lucky to have five records worth owning, even by a devout fan's standard.
How do you get around that fact? Slag him off completely! None of it is worth owning! No one should be into him, he sucks!

― Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:43 (twenty-one years ago)

VU uber relatively little.
But Frank Zappa uber nothing.

― Burr (Burr), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

take a wild guess WHICH band did a cover of "watermelon in easter hay" in tribute of FZ, right after he died.

the answer's actually REALLY easy (if still surprising) ... i practically gave the answer away in the question, if you think of it.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Ken L, Lou Reed is also on record as absolutly hating Zappa/Mothers.

So why did Lou Reed induct Zappa into that Music Hall of Fame thingy?

― Ol' Dirty Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

aaron you can buy a couple from each decade -- anyway, the 'you haven't got it all' is also used by the fans as an excuse to deflect criticism.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, I know the answer to Eisbär's question, and it's a band that contained a former Zappa musician.

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

yah i find myself singing zappa tunes all the time. that guy is nuts.

Sure, but can you sing all the dotted 32nd notes correctly and reproduce the lightning xylophone runs? I didn't think so. Next!!

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

So why did Lou Reed induct Zappa into that Music Hall of Fame thingy?
That's an easy one. It was another way to bring John and Sterl to heel.

― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

aaron you can buy a couple from each decade
Well, I've got 8 Zappa albums right now. I suspect I'll get at LEAST 10 more, how's that?

― Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

... only another 3000 to go

― Ol' Dirty Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

at one point i had 30 zappa albums.. EEK!

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

One guy I used to know had more Frank Zappa albums than Frank himself

― Ol' Dirty Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

30 does seem a bit much, and I unabashedly like the guy.

― Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

(OTOH, I'm still toying with the idea of sending off for the complete Jandek.)

― Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

there's really only about 10 you actually NEED.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

And I'm guessing they're:

Freak Out!
We're Only In It For The Money
Uncle Meat
Hot Rats
Burnt Weeny Sandwich
Over-Nite Sensation
Apostrophe
ONE SIZE FITS ALL
Sheik Yerbouti
Joe's Garage

― Piers (piers), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd replace 'Sheik Yerbouti' (never managed to get into that one apart from the incredible Dylan impersonation) with 'Ruben & the Jets' which is great and essential for anyone in need of hummable tunes.

― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh dear. You're telling me "Apostrophe" and "Joe's Garage" are among his ten best albums? Crikey.

― Ol' Dirty Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

id say:

Absolutley Free
We're Only in It for the Money
Lumpy Gravy
Just Another Band from LA
Hot Rats
Weasils Ripped My Flesh
Live at the Roxy and Elsewhere
ONE SIZE FITS ALL
Sheik Yerbouti
Joe's Garage

;)

― big chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

one size fits all
roxy and elsewhere
hot rats
waka jawaka
the grand wazoo
burnt weenie
we're only in it for the money
fillmore east
apostrophe
joe's garage

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Waka Jawaka is one of my faves. Have to pick up the Grand Wazoon one of these days

― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Cutty be a fan of the Saturday Night Live-style fusion Zappa...

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

well YEAH. zappa in new york is also a keeper.

also relevant to this, i think if a lot of people who hate zappa were presented with a mix of his strictly instrumental stuff, they'd be pretty blown away. i made one of these mixes once, but i lost it. i'll have to reconstruct the tracklisting sometime.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I was a big fan of the Michael Brecker-driven "Sofa" on New York in college.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I find it difficult to tolerate the late-70s and 80s Zappa sound production-wise. And the remastered Ruben and WOIIFTM CDs sound horrible.

― bill neil (inabillity), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Remixed, rather.

― bill neil (inabillity), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree

― big chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

THese are the 8 I currently own:
Freak Out!
Absolutely Free
WOIIFTM
Burnt Weeny Sandwich
Hot Rats
Waka/Jawaka
The Grand Wazoo
Joe's Garage

I've also had Apostrophe and the Strictly Commercial comp at some point.

― Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

His appearance on the Tonight Show when Steve Allen hosted is also classic. He was 15 years old or so, and came on the show to play the bicycle. He layed a bike down on the stage and hit it with mallets or something, completely deadpan, and Allen interviewed him afterward. Allen: "How long have you been playing the bike? Zappa: "About two weeks." It gets shown on those "history of the Tonight Show" programs, but never the whole thing, which I'd really like to see.

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Now THAT I like!

― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 00:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, no shit.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/videography/images/Steve_Allen.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

What a classic, been playing the bike for about two weeks.

I'd like to hear a strictly instrumental selection of Zappa's best stuff. Somehow I've avoided those Shut Up And Play Yer Guitar comps, as I've been certain they wouldn't represent the best instrumental stuff, like on Hot Rats, Burnt Weenie etc. Roxy & Elsewhere is great if you dig One Size Fits right?

― Piers (piers), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

roxy and one size are exactly the same band. so, yes!

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, FZ was my first real concert experience, so classic.

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Rosebud! You know, the Steve Allen influence on Frank could explain a lot - both the Renaissance Man desire to achieve and excel in various areas of the arts, and the idea that making fun of rock and roll is clever.

Now that I understand Frank's trauma, THE HEALING CAN BEGIN!

― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

A shame he didn't make more records in his lifetime.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

so the entire zappa catalog just went up on emusic. hot.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

That is great news Yancey. I have about thirty Zappa/Mothers records but I find that every few months there's another I want. Spent the holidays listening to quite a bit of Zappa, reverse-inspired by Barry Miles' "Zappa," which was not a real good book.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 11 January 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

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