The All-New STYLUS.

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"Remember when Seth Rogen flew his MP3 Blog into the Free Trade Hall? What was all that about eh?"

god "there was no year zero you see!" are the most annoying fucking savages in the world imo

I agree. They should know that punk was year zero.

so i'd probably have been more satisfied (not happy but at least satisfied) if the numbers hadnt been fiddled

Yeah Stylus dudes you have totally failed in your task to make Karen Tregaskin happy.

Too white. Too weak.

Anyway all music nine years from now will be nothing but moody Vangelis soundscapes. Well, around LA at least.

just packed another bong so your stuck with me

trying to think of arbitrary date on which '00s' started couple of things were going on which collided to make 00s as a cultural era begin

first was obvious death of millennialism as a driving force as it was in the late 90s - omg the earth is gonna explode planes will fall out of the sky end times etc. kid a is still full of that kind of panic, thom yorke has made a career of it. wake up after yr millennium party and realise nothing has changed. none of us have flying cars or star trek transporter beams. new century looks a lot like the old one. but because of the release schedule of albums many albums that came out in 00 were recorded in 99 and still bear the scars of this millennisalism which now looks a bit silly (see also xtrmntr). the nme breathes a sigh of relief about not having to care about THE FUTURE any more and goes on to make a brand out of old rope guitars. now we're living in the future we don't have to worry about what the future sounds like any more

second thing that happens is political situation in us - election (?) of bush and terrism etc. us in the 90s had been culturally rather like uk is right now. i.e. shocking disillusionment of arty-farty types realising that liberal governments can be just as corrupt and horrible and shit as the conservative ones and accompanying moral and cultural stagnation. us has a couple of short sharp shocks of rabid right wing and suddenly country has to galvanise a counterculture again. do you have a disgruntled underclass simmering with the kind of resentment that makes great art ready to leap into action? yes you do. black american culture rushes into the gap and you have the real dynamic lifeforce behind the us (and by extension imported uk) pop chart resurgence (but also angry middle american nu metal and trustafarians in williamsburg have a bit of a go)

the uk in the 00s is where the us was in the 90s. with badly behaved 'liberals' in charge the counterculture is doomed from the getgo. enter a scheming young man with the brilliant idea of combining hugely popular big brother style reality television with the lay-everything-bare deconstructionism of the klf's manual. win! win! win! bill drummond invented simon cowell you know

technological change. in previous decades, change has been driven by new technology. the invention of the electric guitar, the invention of the synth, the invention of sequencing, the invention of sampling these things changed music irrevocably and created new music that broke our heads or at least our conceptions of what music could be. the huge technological leap forward of the 00's has been the speed and ease with which ALL MUSIC EVER CREATED can be instantly accessed. perhaps that other thread had a point - i said we were too old and out-of-touch to see what the great new development and change of the 00's music is. the problem is i'm old and i'm thinking of change and progress in the wrong way. the change is the invention of this virtual musical time machine. with everything from ever so easy to get hold of the past is no longer a foreign country. what looks like ver kids of today going backwards is actually them going forwards in a different way. 17 year olds listening to the music of their grandparents! that breaks my head really

loads of x-posts coz it takes me forever to type anything when i'm stoned

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Oops wrong thread.

omg everyone CHECK IT OUT!!! i got the latest harry potter IN HARDCOVER

noodle i was enjoying it more when trying to imagine how it applied to this thread

same

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btw my mum just walked in, just in time to hear the end of Discipline (Berlin) at high levels of volume XD

sometimes i think she wonders what she's raised

don't we all

but because of the release schedule of albums many albums that came out in 00 were recorded in 99 and still bear the scars of this millennisalism which now looks a bit silly (see also xtrmntr).

I really think this is based almost entirely on projection

Also keen to know exactly who you're thinking of wrt the black American underclass who made great music as a response to/result of 9/11 and Bush's first term?

did u no that the world began 2010 years ago

Boswell recorded Dr. Johnson's initial reaction to Kid A:

"I told him I had been that morning at a concert made by a people called Radiohead, where I had heard a rock band perform an album of electronic music. Johnson: "Sir, a rock band making great a electronic music album is like a dog's walking on his hind legs. It is not done well; but you are surprised to find it done at all."

Also keen to know exactly who you're thinking of wrt the black American underclass who made great music as a response to/result of 9/11 and Bush's first term?

Arcade Fire.

i gotta stop logging onto this place when i get back from the pub but it's more fun than telly

nah mate i didn't mean it literally as anything quite so direct as artists making music directly in response to bush and 9/11

more like the general shift of power or perceived powr to the right in the 00s created a vacuum and a need for a counterculture. a counterculture needs to be comprised of those (perceived as) the dispossessed and oppressed. whos that in america? black ppl and women. so youve got the 00's pop culture landscape in america dominated by black ppl and women and those wonderful amazonian figures from beyonce and so on bestriding the pop landscape like colussuses this being yr perfect counterculture in that climate as was

though the gap between pop/chart culture and the focus of music criticism is so wide at the mo that people are more intersted in critical discussion of records that sold like 30k rather than talk about dominant cultural forces ho hum

mind you it needs some work conceptually and made a lot more sense this afternoon when it floated out the hashpipe

unfortunately i'm not a music critic so i can't put these random ideas into prtty language or anything resembling cogent logic esp when drunk. mores the pity i'm not good at explaining stuff

Drunkenness normally improves cogency.

i meant cohesion

or maybe i meant coherence

i dunno what i meant. did any of that get through? probably no

nah cogent is the one

cogent
adjective
a cogent argument convincing, compelling, strong, forceful, powerful, potent, weighty, effective; valid, sound, plausible, telling; impressive, persuasive, eloquent, credible, influential; conclusive, authoritative; logical, reasoned, rational, reasonable, lucid, coherent, clear. See note at believable

this is not me at 00:02 on a sunday morning ^^^^^^^^^^^

No worries. Try playing the Bubble Game. Helps the sobering up process. Also good in sub-freezing temperatures when your heater is broken.

a counterculture needs to be comprised of those (perceived as) the dispossessed and oppressed. whos that in america? black ppl and women. so youve got the 00's pop culture landscape in america dominated by black ppl and women and those wonderful amazonian figures from beyonce and so on bestriding the pop landscape like colussuses this being yr perfect counterculture in that climate as was

sub-geir imo

those wonderful amazonian figures from beyonce and so on bestriding the pop landscape like colussuses

Beyonce as a wonderful Amazon is an okay image.

drunk britishes can u please not break down american culture for us?

haha otm

so karen is kate right

nah i'm not really feelin it; the real kate would be angrier

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so karen is kate right

― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, January 9, 2010 8:58 PM (45 minutes ago)

thought so until that last post, kate wouldnt minimize women's "dispossession and oppression" like that

kate's pretty intelligent and may have done that deliberately; consider me paranoid

Uhh, they don't seem remotely like the same person? totally different writing styles and, seemingly, totally different perspectives.

fwiw i don't *think* karen is kate but i'm prepared for anything. karen seems good ppl thus far, regardless

totally different writing styles and, seemingly, totally different perspectives.

Hmmmmmm. Almost too different.

thought so until that last post, kate wouldnt minimize women's "dispossession and oppression" like that

― k3vin k., Saturday, January 9, 2010 8:46 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thats exactly what the real kate would do to throw us off the scent

what makes me think karen isn't kate is that karen began posting while kate was banned, and no moderator action was taken. mods usually know.

plus karen comes off too much like a bloke to be kate, even kate trying very hard to be a bloke. and the early posts aren't very kate-esque, remotely.

Karen Tregaskin: The Early Posts

jesus lj drop it, nobody in their right mind thinks this guy is kate and we don't need to discuss it to death

not entirely sure that old ideas about the dispossessed and oppressed creating an artistic counterculture apply in the present day US. that could just be late capitalism based cynicism though.

either way karen is making me wish i was pretty damn drunk right now.

You know, who cares? If it isn't Kate, she doesn't deserve this, and if it is Kate, let her have her fresh start.

nobody in their right mind thinks this guy is kate

A few weeks ago, I thought he was Kate, after he said that he was close to 40 and then I looked into the archives and saw that he had posted approvingly on threads about Aphex Twin, Lindstrom, School of Seven Bells, and the Delays -- all of whom Kate likes as well. But then he corrected me, and I haven't had reason to question him since.

with the Rev on this. would be nice to have Kate back though.

I've been without internet the past two days, sorta, but I wish I had seen this thread unfold. Plenty of insights and lols, I'm sure.

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awesome!

nobody in their right mind thinks this guy is kate and we don't need to discuss it to death

couldn't agree less with the first part, couldn't agree more with the second

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