On this trainWill it always rain?Try to analyzeThis led ventureSongless sky, digital bug-eyeOctogonal seams so much clearerIndiscrete, status incompleteTo provide me withSomething better
― jealous ones sb (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 8 January 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link
shit that was supposed to be on the voivod lyrics thread in case you thought i was posting lyrics from cannibal ox in the young money thread
― jealous ones sb (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 8 January 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link
lol
― Herodcare for the Unborn (J0hn D.), Friday, 8 January 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link
thx for clarifying that...OCTOGONAL SEAMS!!!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 8 January 2010 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, actually shipley made that one up since in the actual song it's delivered in classic hip-hop simile form
― steady mmmobyn (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, January 8, 2010 2:51 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
there's definitely a version where he says "like a" but i swear the one i usually hear in the video/on the radio there's just a pause between "forth" and "soccer"
― Big S.H.I.T. Poppin' (some dude), Friday, 8 January 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link
there's two versions, ship's right.
― lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 January 2010 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
of course, it's a bitch finding an embeddable version of the official video on youtube, but it's there
― Big S.H.I.T. Poppin' (some dude), Friday, 8 January 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link
― lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Friday, January 8, 2010 5:25 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
...STARBOARD
― max, Friday, 8 January 2010 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link
...POLARIS TWO BY FOUR
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Friday, 8 January 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 9 January 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link
never heard gudda gudda before this but man he's making a case for worst rapper ive ever heard
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 January 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link
is it gudda gudda like "gutter gutter" or gudda gudda like "gouda gouda"?
― rap wacksodic (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 9 January 2010 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link
option a iirc
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 9 January 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link
btw i voted "grocery bag" because the earnest attempts to parse it in this thread still came up short
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 9 January 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link
― rap wacksodic (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, January 8, 2010 7:12 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
...TOO (two) CHEESY (cheeses)
― max, Saturday, 9 January 2010 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13810-we-are-young-money/
havent listened to the album aside from this turd, but it's rare that i disagree with evey single point a writer tries to make in a review.
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 January 2010 00:41 (fourteen years ago) link
havent gotten to the actual crit yet tho, if theres any
at least they fixed the front page blurb, which at one point said something like "in the spirit of Dipset, G-Side, and The Family," which until I read the review made me think it was some left field reference to the Prince proteges and not the group name nobody cared about Puff Daddy's No Way Out being credited to
― some dude, Saturday, 9 January 2010 04:36 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i didn't even bother posting about that blurb because of it's sheer wtfness
― total eclipse of the shart (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 9 January 2010 06:13 (fourteen years ago) link
this song is more real than real... BAUDRILLARD
― Player is killed, but they are resurrected, and the 45 Revolver glow gold (dyao), Saturday, 9 January 2010 07:11 (fourteen years ago) link
it might've been a rerun but i saw young money on mo'nique today, i really liked nicki minaj and one of the young dudes. i think he was called tiga tiga or something. nicki is so amazing looking and sweet.
― samosa gibreel, Saturday, 9 January 2010 08:13 (fourteen years ago) link
oh and in the performance of this song weezy did say, " ... socccer team" and not "like a soccer team" and it was predictably not that hilarious.
― samosa gibreel, Saturday, 9 January 2010 08:14 (fourteen years ago) link
lmbo @ the number of votes this poll got
― some dude, Saturday, 9 January 2010 13:28 (fourteen years ago) link
this is totally speculative, but i think part of the problem with these guys may be that theyre trying to emulate wayne and rhyme off the top of the head. The best--him, jay, etc.--can pull it off or even thrive rhyming that way but i cant imagine anyone writing down the grocery bag line without immediately throwing it in the direction of the nearest trash bin.
― not really.. (killah priest), Saturday, 9 January 2010 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
on the other hand didnt drake "freestyle" on hot 97 while reading from a piece of paper?
― not really.. (killah priest), Saturday, 9 January 2010 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Meanwhile, upstart producers Chase N. Cashe and Kane Beatz keep things moving sonically, whether it's CNC's baroque, Grizzly Bear-esque (!) beat for "New Shit" or Beatz's bright and haughty instrumental for the hit "Bedrock", which wouldn't sound out of place on a Wes Anderson hip-hop movie score
― david cam'ron (tpp), Saturday, 9 January 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
― not really.. (killah priest), Saturday, January 9, 2010 9:30 AM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
everyone 'freestyles' writtens these days, & it was from his blackberry
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Saturday, 9 January 2010 16:21 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah drake's crime there was really just not memorizing his shit to keep up the illusion of 'freestyling' that everyone in the rap industry had agreed upon
― some dude, Saturday, 9 January 2010 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link
noone cries foul when jay does a hot97 freestyle and then the entire thing shows up as a verse in a song 6 months later
― some dude, Saturday, 9 January 2010 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link
that isn't really right. off the dome and written but impromptu rhymes (live over a dj's beat or a beatbox, or even a capella where there is no degree of improvisation) have both been called "freestyles" for decades with no one really pretending that the second kind were the first.
some rappers who claim to improvise totally are accused of spitting written rhymes, and some cretinous "underground" or battle rap circuit fans confuse the two and bemoan the "fake" ones, but they're different cases.
― zvookster, Saturday, 9 January 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link
hmmm although you can still improvise in the manner of your delivery a capella. and hence anything over an old instrumental being a "freestyle" on mixtapes be they ever so rehearsed and with punch-ins, double-tracked vocals, whatever.
drake pulling up lyrics (which i've just learned about from this thread) is deeply wack to me because in any functional street schooling he'd be laughed out of ever rapping again if he fished around for a pad to spit on a corner. so that's the whole tradition that you're showing unawareness of when you do that. but i wonder if that's to do with being from toronto or a child star, or if its to do with hip hop not having folk roots anymore even in the forms of collective memory. the lack of concern you guys have suggests it has to do with the latter.
likewise the rhymes themselves suggest my conception of things is a relic. rappers in this style used to say dope things like it wasn't no thing and make the next guy go "whaaat" or the listener rewind. that was part of the style. these rappers say the most undope things but signal them like they are killer lines.
― zvookster, Saturday, 9 January 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
zvookster severely on the money
― rap wacksodic (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 9 January 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link
yah
― lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 9 January 2010 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link
zvookster's talking about the actual tradition of ciphers and battle rapping, i'm talking about the new school kabuki theater of major label rappers going on radio stations/BET/mixtapes and 99% of the time spitting something they wrote and memorized and it being called a 'freestyle,' and then that same world acting aghast when drake didn't have his shit memorized and read it off a screen
― some dude, Saturday, 9 January 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm just aghast that drake is.
― lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 10 January 2010 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link
so glad no one on ilx likes drake beyond as a minor psuedo-R&B figure
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Sunday, 10 January 2010 02:13 (fourteen years ago) link
no rap fans at least, iirc someone nominated his mixtape or whatever in the 09 thread
― k3vin k., Sunday, 10 January 2010 02:48 (fourteen years ago) link
these rappers say the most undope things but signal them like they are killer lines.
yeh so so otm
the saddest thing is that wayne is doing this now too
but i guess if these are the rappers he chooses to surround himself with...
― david cam'ron (tpp), Sunday, 10 January 2010 10:49 (fourteen years ago) link
i was walking down on miami beach all day on monday and i heard this coming from shops a few times & i def got some hearty laughs from walking past the storefronts and hearing "...SOCCER TEAM!" and then the song going out of earshot
― total eclipse of the shart (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 January 2010 07:45 (fourteen years ago) link
I came in the door, I said it before, I'd never let the mic magnetize me... COMPASS!
― Lt. Colonel JOHN NAGL (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 January 2010 08:10 (fourteen years ago) link
hahaha
― cankles RIP... a fart (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 January 2010 08:25 (fourteen years ago) link
i remember in the first Answer Me! zine, and this was like 91 or 92, they called up famous rappers and had them "freestyle" over the phone and KRS One's was just one of his songs.
― cankles RIP... a fart (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 January 2010 08:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes! The rhythm, the rebel without a pause... HBO!
― Lt. Colonel JOHN NAGL (The Reverend), Thursday, 14 January 2010 08:37 (fourteen years ago) link
should have quit while you were ahead... DECAPITATION
― cankles RIP... a fart (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 January 2010 08:42 (fourteen years ago) link
allow me to lace these lyrical douches in your bushes... LANDSCAPING
― total eclipse of the shart (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:11 (fourteen years ago) link
i wanna rock right now, i'm rob base and i came to get down... YOGA
― total eclipse of the shart (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:12 (fourteen years ago) link
fuck with your soul like ether... ETHER
― I can't turn my face into a shart (dyao), Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:53 (fourteen years ago) link
making ladies loco, flow like orinoco... ENYA
― free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Thursday, 14 January 2010 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link
your heartbeat sounds like sasquatch feet... HARRY AND THE HENDERSONS
― original bgm, Thursday, 14 January 2010 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link
'bout to quote a pseudonym on a msg board... SOME DUDE
zvookster's talking about the actual tradition of ciphers and battle rapping, i'm talking about the new school kabuki theater of major label rappers going on radio stations/BET/mixtapes and 99% of the time spitting something they wrote and memorized and it being called a 'freestyle,' and then that same world acting aghast when drake didn't have his shit memorized and read it off a screen― some dude
― some dude
Not at all, I was carefully making a point... WHITTLING! that it's not kabuki and it's not all divided up like that. So not an exact "actual tradition of ciphers and battle rapping" (which you are too blase in writing off as another world from mainstream hip hop anyhow), but certainly something at least derived from traditions of rapping in the street and socio-economic conditions - not that everyone has to come up on corners, but being able to rap when given a window to, that ability being coded into what it means to be a rapper: that's what's going on when rappers do live radio sessions, not some pretense of on-the-spot creation. That the world you refer to was "aghast" backs this up: it's kind of ignorant to the point of disrespect or extreme corniness for Drake to be unaware of this. There are thousands current and past that no one will ever hear of, who'd kick something without a moment's hesitation given that opportunity, so regardless of how you came up, you still have to "come correct".
― zvookster, Thursday, 14 January 2010 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link