no doubt, wes was amazing!
― Saxby D. Elder, Sunday, 1 July 2007 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah the live Europe stuff is just insane. Wes is one of the very few guys who consistently pins the "WTF did you just hear that?" meter
― Johnny Hotcox, Sunday, 1 July 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link
if Wes has any drawbacks, it's that he's almost too good, and too fluid. it could get boring, I suppose. he never makes a mistake. he's like Bird.
Green is a much more hesitant player, which brings another aspect to it. You can hear more of the ANGUISH of life through Grant's playing. I think that's why people are attracted to him. Wes is more like an alien from another planet.
― Johnny Hotcox, Sunday, 1 July 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link
"Blue n' Boogie" on Full House is so killer. The section at the end where Wes and Johnny Griffin play back and forth off of each other is really exciting.
It is a shame that some of the SF dates that Wes did with Coltrane never got recorded. I bet those were pretty hot.
― earlnash, Monday, 2 July 2007 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link
Yes, this is why I like GG just a bit better. OTM!
― Saxby D. Elder, Monday, 2 July 2007 06:32 (seventeen years ago) link
I have had wet dreams about this for years.
― Oilyrags, Monday, 2 July 2007 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm sure glad I voted in this one, otherwise poor Barney would have been left out in the cold.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link
You folks who didn't vote for Charlie Christian are flat-out fools.
― BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link
hmmm, well the pollster didn't actually ask a question like "who is your favorite" or "who is best" or "most influential". Here I go then...
Most influential: Charlie Christian Best: Wes Montgomery My favorite: Johnny Smith My favorite in the poll: Grant Green Most innovative in a modern setting: James Blood Ulmer Most technically gifted: perhaps Joe Pass
― Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link
destruction terror and mayhem
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:33 (fifteen years ago) link
When I first picked up the guitar back in 01 I bought a guitar magazine and saw this transcribed in it. Didn't take note of the tempo, learned it ultra super duper slow. Then I heard it.
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:34 (fifteen years ago) link
And realized that uh I would never play it. I saved the transcription and I still come back to it once or twice a year to see if I'm up to speed yet, but goddamn. Also lol @ "Flight of the Bumblebee"
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:36 (fifteen years ago) link
these poll results are weird! grant green is usually underrated
― deej, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Pat Martino...
My guitar teacher told me that he was in some kind of severe accident where he completely lost his ability to play and completely re-learned. Also something about him having some weird system where he can spell words in his mind with the notes of his solos.
― Everything is Highlighted (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 10:35 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, his story is made-for-tv-movie level fascinating.
― Jordan, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Why does most jazz guitar SOUND so shitty? So many guys on this list either have unsatisfying and weak "clean" sounds or use obnoxious effects to cover up the flaws. Only a handful make a really satisfying sound with their instrument, either clean or with effects.
― Tyrone Quattlebaum (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Never learned how many votes Django ended up with (still can't believe he was left off the original ballot).
― Jazzbo, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Looks like 3
― Tyrone Quattlebaum (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Bucky's appearing tonight at the Bella Luna restaurant on the Upper Westside, where he will be dueting with Jack Wilkins, who didn't even make the ballot.
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link
man, if they were playing an hour later i'd drop by. as it is i won't be off til 9:30.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 23:02 (fifteen years ago) link
(which makes two different shows i'm missing tonight because they're playing too early. wtf new york?)
It hurts me to do so but I think I really disagree with Hurting 2 about the sound of jazz guitarists. Question: Are you comparing them to rock guitarists? (You very well may not be.) I feel that many people take rock guitar sounds, which are almost always deadened by amps, as a standard for the sound of the electric guitar. The instrument has more to offer sonically!
― Sundar, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 23:09 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder if you went over to that gig and sat at the bar you could catch the tail end, Jesse.
In other news another non-poll maker, Gene Bertoncini, is appearing tomorrow with strings at the Jazz Standard.
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 01:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Question: Are you comparing them to rock guitarists? (You very well may not be.)
No, I'm more comparing them to the sounds of other jazz instruments. I find guitar (in the hands of most) to be one of the least-satisfying sounds in jazz -- it's usually so dynamically flat and often fails to blend properly with the band. It too often sound more like a note machine than a real instrument.
― Comprehensive Nuclear Suggest-Ban Treaty (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Hurting, if you are not too buried under your lawbooks you should come out one night to see some solo jazz guitar so you can be proven wrong. Although actually I think you do have a point.
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Didn't notice this, so Charlie Byrd missed a well-deserved vote.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Here's a link to the Jack Wilkins gig page so you can see when he's dueting with Bucky again or with Howard Alden, or want to be ready when Jimmy Bruno comes to town.
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Hm, do you find guitar much worse than keyboards or vibes?
― Sundar, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow, how did I never know about Johnny Smith before?
― rammer jammer jan hammer (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 05:23 (thirteen years ago) link
O_o Joe Pass 0
― Histrionic-Dependent (PappaWheelie V), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I happen to find Joe Pass a little boring, fwiw.
― rammer jammer jan hammer (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 05:41 (thirteen years ago) link
although I like the duets with Herb Ellis
Johnny Smith, the guy who wrote "Walk Don't Run"? You don't hear about him much these days. However I will re-extend my offer to you, Hurting, to come out and see some jazz guitar. Jack Wilkins is playing tonight at a place called Rue 57 where you will be able to see how well he blends in with Harvie S, Billy Drummond and Harry Allen and maybe talk to him about Johnny Smith or Ted Dunbar.
― suspect centauri device (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
You missed a good show. And the guy who books the place is way into Johnny Smith.
― suspect centauri device (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 September 2010 04:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry man so this too late.
― adamirl (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 September 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
saw
If you go to that place tonight, our friend Junior will be there along with his dad.
― suspect centauri device (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Putting link to Russell Malone interview here as well: http://www.justjazzguitar.com/articles/art-01-malone.php3
― redd cool card-pitt (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 October 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't know why I bother, but here's another invitation for you, Hurting. Come out one Monday to my neck of the woods and see my neighbor do his thing. He always has good players with him and the next two weeks he has an especially good bass player: http://www.jimhershman.com/gigs.html
― roast rage against the hoosteen (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 11 October 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Not to be a dick but I don't really think I'm going to come out to Queens to see jazz guitar, which I don't like, when I'm working the next morning.
― buju_stanton (Hurting 2), Monday, 11 October 2010 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean the guy is good but it's very jazz-guitary jazz guitar.
I do like some of Russell Malone's work however.
― buju_stanton (Hurting 2), Monday, 11 October 2010 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Russell himself himself has made the long, lonely trip out to Queens where he hung out and played at that very gig and then still had time to go back into the city to catch Ron Affif at the Zinc Bar. But then again he likes jazz guitar and probably didn't have to get up in the morning.
― roast rage against the hoosteen (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 11 October 2010 05:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I used to dislike most jazz guitar as well, and I still don't always like to listen to recordings of it that much, but I figured that I live in a big city where there are lots of good players playing gigs in bars and restaurants with no cover, sometimes with bass and drums or singers and often even conveniently located in Manhattan so I figured I'd go out and check some of it out. If you can see Bucky Pizzarelli for the price of a beer, why not? Especially since he might bring his son John along or some other guitar player like Howard Alden is at the bar waiting to sit in. How do you know what the guitar tone of one of these guys is really like or how it fits in with a band until you have seen them live?
― my strange quest for maynesonge (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 11 October 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Meanwhile, recently discovered this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXx9vtVrR9A
(I did always like Ted's tone, but he played with his thumb and that makes a big difference)
― buju_stanton (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Also been checking him out on Gil Evans - Svengali
― buju_stanton (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
(great solo on Thoroughbred)
You forgot to post this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxmnpAixnDg
― my strange quest for maynesonge (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
High school guitar-class-mate of mine playing free at BAM:http://www.bam.org/view.aspx?pid=2747&ref=nf
― buju_stanton (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
(Psst. If there is anybody reading this thread interested in actually seeing a real live Jazz GUITARist, instead of wondering why they all are so bad and hated, Gene Bertoncini will be playing tomorrow as part of the Jazz Brunch at the North Square off Washington Square Park, where they always seem to have good guitarists, and at Smalls on Monday.
You could also go this or any Sunday evening to Walker's to see Peter Leitch play as part of a duet, usually with a top of the line bass player.
Or you could wait until Tuesday and go to Jack Wilkins's regular gig that I mentioned upthread or you could stay home and... ah, never mind)
― Chinese Lox (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 November 2010 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link