simon reynolds: classic or dud

its those musicians who are also critics and vice versa i feel sorry for. must be awful never being sure which ears to use.

Micachu and the Shapes are not grime, but to say that they don't "sound at all, remotely, in any way shape or form, like grime" is surely not seeing the forest for the trees. There's common ancestry in there. If we say that Micachu doesn't sound remotely in any way shape or form like grime, then what are we going to say about Elton John?

I'm not a musician, just an amateur critic, and I'm uncomfortable with this notion of a composer hearing music differently from how anyone else does. You might just as well say that people with red hair hear music in a different way from those with blond hair tbh

that's not it at all

it's much more akin to the idea that sheep don't all look alike to a shepherd

You should never let the internet prevent you from taking a bath.

Likening ALL music producers or musicians view of music to a shepherd's job doesn't work as an analogy for me

i don't like bathing very much especially in cold weather

trying to put this into words is difficult as i'm not a writer

see also the architecture analogy above of musicians as architects looking at bricks and mortar and the shape of the molding about windows while a non-architect non-muso would look at the shape of the building and go 'oh it's a house'

seems esp ironic that a discussion abt the politics of riot grrl should devolve into a privileging of 'musicians' - im sure most ppl on ilx have made some kind of music, at some point or other - and of course, plenty of musicians have proved themselves to be dull, unimaginative music critics, when they've tried their hand at it

i always say this is what's wrong with modern music too many sheep and not enough shepherds

BATH TIME NOW

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I know this isn't strictly the place but can someone please explain to this relative newbie why this board is referred to as ilx rather than ilm (there's a couple of examples above). I realize ilx is the site but most of the time when people say ilx they seem to be talking about the I Love Music board only. thanks.

most of the time when people say ilx they seem to be talking about the I Love Music board only.

er, they're not

Hope this helps

x=variable, placeholder for ilm, ile, etc.

"[gertrude stein] says that it is a good thing to have no sense of how it is done in the things that amuse you. You should have one absorbing occupation and as for the other things in life for full enjoyment you should only contemplate results. In this way you are bound to feel more about it than those who know a little of how it is done."

for full enjoyment you should only contemplate results

even the ilx 09 poll results?

if gertrude stein says it, it must be true.

Getting back to the point in hand anyone seriously claiming Micachu and the Shapes are bridging the gap between riot-grrrl and grime is making that particular bridge do an awful lot of work.

i can't quite manage any sort of opinion on micachu because i can't quite manage to listen to any of her songs all the way through. whatever this is, it SUCKS HARD. if indeed it is related in any way to riot grrl or grime, it does both a huge disservice.

that's a shame as micachu is a lot better than s.reynolds makes her sound

xp lex otm, I heard this album at the weekend it had a total nails down blackboard effect on me.

i'm just gonna do a lazy-journo categorisation thing w/this chick and throw her in with the rest of this era's pestilent Quirky Girls who think wearing bright colours and singing like a toddler are substitutes for talent

honestly it just makes me a bit sad listening to this overhyped and overpushed girl (and the rest of her peers) while seeing ridiculously talented artists like teedra moses having to drum up interest on twitter for her latest self-released venture b/c so many critics and industry people are unable to recognise real talent

people who sing like five-year-olds and try to make a virtue out of inability should step BACK this year and let women like teedra through to do their thing

The idea that an artist like Micachu (who has sold, what, three records?) is crowding out space that would otherwise be taken up by Teedra Moses is ridiculous.

lex sounding oddly rockist right now

not etherial enough to be a quirky girl tbh i think that gender is a red herring and she belongs in the same catchbag as the blenderphonic post-prog of her tourmates like late of the pier, metronomy, connan moccasin etc. tho i don't know the ilx oops sorry ilm hivemind party line on those bands perhaps i can google that too

Also can we have a moratorium on loose-to-the-point-of-meaningless words like "talent" please?

I don't get a whole lot out of her music tbh, but what Micachu has got going for her though is that she just doesn't really sound like anything else much. Totally resists easy categorisation. Also she sings pretty much like she talks as far as I can make out, don't think it's affectation.

says 'oh this is genre x' when i barely even know what x is

fwiw, I never heard of "blenderphonic post-prog" until 20 seconds ago.

that's ok i made it up

The idea that an artist like Micachu (who has sold, what, three records?) is crowding out space that would otherwise be taken up by Teedra Moses is ridiculous.

her and her ilk

don't care if it's rockist to think that people with a modicum - or even a massive fucking amount - of talent should not have languishing careers while people who sing and play instruments like they're in primary school get critically fêted

'...and they can't even play their instruments!!!!' lex you are becoming more rockist by the moment any second now an emerson lake and palmer l.p. will sprout out of your newly burgeoning beard

don't care. this is shaping up to be the year i listen to nothing but sade, anyway

sade being another example of REAL TALENT

don't care if it's rockist to think that people with a modicum - or even a massive fucking amount - of talent should not have languishing careers

Never knew you went to Berklee, Lex.

Hey Lex, Susan Boyle sold a lot more records than Micachu last year, be fair here.

not heard a note of Micachu because STUPID FUCK OFF NAME

But anyway if Teedra Moses' people can't even sell her records the millions of people who already like RnB, that's probably not the fault of the publicists behind some shitty parochial indie act.

Micachu incorporates some early 80s postpunk in her sound and it sometimes works, though I am not clear why Simon thinks she's exempt from "retro" references.

is it supposed to rhyme with "pikachu"

one solution to the dilemma of micachu is to move to the united states where you will never have to ever hear her, ever

thanks to the constitution

boston 1776: benjamin franklin throws tea, and micachu records, into the sea

It's pretty easy not to hear her records in the UK as well.

rly tho

more liek micaWHO

plz say it's pronounced my-CATCH-uh

ok so maybe one solution to the dilemma of micachu is to never read an article by simon reynolds and never go on the internet

I did both of those of things back in 1991. AND LOOK AT THE RESULTS.

ok so maybe one solution to the dilemma of micachu is to never read an article by simon reynolds and never go on the internet

i'm halfway there!

late of the pier, metronomy, connan moccasin etc. tho i don't know the ilx oops sorry ilm hivemind party line on those bands perhaps i can google that too

The ILM hivemind non-UK contingent says they suck cos we've never heard of them and the UK contingent says they suck because they are middle class/English/too young/wear capes/have a stupid name/were praised by the wrong publication/toured with someone unfashionable etc etc. Pretty sad that there's only about three people on this board who have any enthusiasm for more interesting contemporary British pop music.

yes its TRAGIC