Why don't I like Bob Dylan?

Icalling Israel palestinina-frei

^^^in bad taste but not necessarily anti-semitic as there are a lot of legitimate parallels between the ways the Nazis treated the Jews and the way the Israeli gov't treats the Palestinians.

suggesting that bob dylan secret Israeli contacts hooked him up with an african diamond mine

^^^this is totally anti-semitic because its a completely unfounded attack that is based on deliberate misinformation to reinforce a common Jewish stereotype

Ok, I don't totally disagree with that distinction.

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He's somewhere out on the highway right now drifting from town to town with eyes steel-grey and impenetrably deep, hunting like a great white wonder for some poor kid in a coffee shop - so easy to spot with their unkempt curly locks and dark sunglasses - some poor sapsucker who swallowed it hook line and sinker. The Man Who Doesn't Like Dylan is here and things will never be the same for any of us, anywhere.

listening to "bringing it all back home again" now. goddamn what a funny, funny album.

calling Israel palestinina-frei

^^^in bad taste but not necessarily anti-semitic as there are a lot of legitimate parallels between the ways the Nazis treated the Jews and the way the Israeli gov't treats the Palestinians.

not really, it's basically an offshoot of holocaust denial - not only are they not victims, jews are the real perpetrators! - and really shouldn't be touched with a bargepole by anyone with the slightest historical or political sense. newspapers in the middle east routinely run cartoons with hook-nosed, vampiric jews wearing stormtrooper helmets with a swastika and a star of david. why would you want to be associated with this shit? it's poisonous rhetoric and making the kind of distinctions you're talking about is like saying "but ronaldinho really does have big teeth!"

i've read some years ago that he owned shares of diamond mines in south-africa

Do you have a source for this?

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the source is my corroded memory reading a german print magazine (probably DER SPIEGEL) in the pre-internet era (before 1991).
the reason why i still can remember this, is that i was pretty shocked at the time.
i've spent the last 2 hours searching on google for a reference - sorry to say that i can not provide any.
i have to admit that if someone else would came up with such a story without having any googleproof evidence...well, i would think he's a liar.

"googleproof evidence"

missed the "can't" but I'm not strawmanning here. If you can't see the difference between legitimate criticisms of Israel and calling Israel palestinina-frei or suggesting that bob dylan secret Israeli contacts hooked him up with an african diamond mine (which IMO is about an antisemitic statement as one can make -- the Jewish singer-songwriter is in cahoots with Israel to get rich off the backs of Africans? wtf??), then I don't know what to tell you.

xpost: i'm not aware that Bob has identified as a Jew since before he "turned Christian", anyways

not only are they not victims, jews are the real perpetrators! -

the contention that because someone was once a victim they cannot be perpetrators is wrong - its a fallacy, and its an intellectually dishonest way to defend Israel, in that it deflects attention from the matter at hand (Israel vs. Palestinians) and redirects it to a morally unassailable one (Jews vs. Nazis).

yeah, i'm saying the israel=nazis argument didn't come from a bunch of liberals saying how sad it is that the jews are acting terribly when once they were victims (which certainly has been the case with israel); i'm saying the people who kicked off this line of argument believe the holocaust was a hoax designed to win sympathy for israel while it continues a genocidal campaign cunningly modelled on the very myth that jews supposedly endured.

i agree that it doesn't help to turn people away from the facts of the israel-palestine conflict and onto the morally unassailable case of jews under nazism, which is why i'm the one arguing that people shouldn't make those comparisons. you're the other guy, saying there are "legitimate parallels", albeit in reverse. can you see why there's a pretty ugly context to that line of argument?

just an fyi, mordy otm, s-banning this guy

i've read some years ago that dylan owned cans of Blue Diamond Bold Jalapeno Smokehouse almonds

it just bugs, like an itch you can't scratch. I don't find much in the way of personal connection there, in fact really speaking none, maybe a song or two aside

otm

^ mostly

This is such a great thread. I love that long lyric that scott posted, whatever it is.

I have "personal connections" with few artists though.

scott seward otm for most of this thread too