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argh. ILX just ate a paragraph response, but Jess is kind of on the right track with Def Leppard (though late '80s Billy Joel? If you mean I'd prefer it if they rapped about history then yeah, ok). My biggest problem with Daft Punk is how soft the beat feels. It's like the whole album is caked in vaseline. And don't give me the "Anthony doesn't like dance music" jive, ok? Say I don't like IDM, say I don't like Euro-trance whatever, but saying I don't like dance music is waaaay off target. I still have "Digital Love," "Face To Face" and "One More Time" on CD-R though, and I'm glad Scott Woods put "Bigger, Faster, Yadda, Strongo" on his Rough Guide To Vocoderism CD-R cuz it sounded better in that context.

but isn't the art of dance music PART of pop fun? In what way are they separate beasts?

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

One question: why do you hate dance music?

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

One question: why do you hate fun?

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

ARGH! If anything this stuff doesn't strike me as dance enough! But I'm aggro (the six best tracks on Kish Kash blow this out of the water in Stevem's definition).

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Does a beat have to be loud for it be danceable? Does loudness/hardness of the beat = danceability? Is that a modern idea? Surely Daft Punk's "vaseline" beats are a Disco throwback?

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Haven't you ever felt the rhythm of dance grip you, CeCe?

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Let's dress up as robots and go to his house.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

So why did they have to pump up the drumz for da clubz, then?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

disco had some hard ass fucking beats

p.s. discovery is not a dance album

― jess, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

it's more folktronica probably

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

at least this thread isn't as bad as the one where I asked if Discovery is supposed to be ironic

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

p.p.s. "da funk" and "muzique" and some others have drums/basslines that could shear your scalp off

― jess, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Disco sounds HARD compared to Daft Punk. Also more hooks, less fuck'with'dabeat'n'trace ballyhoo. But argh, this is why I was sitting on my hands. I'm just hungry to hear something about Daft Punk that isn't "I like x more than y." "I prefer z. But all are great!"

Admittedly, no one here is responsible for providing that. I'll sit on my hands again.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"Da Funk" is the JAM!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

disco had some hard ass fucking beats

Enter The Village People.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

haha x-post with Jess! And I really should hear Homework. I do like "Around The World!"

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

p.s. discovery is not a dance album

exactly.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

and I'm dancing ALL THE TIME in my apt, Gear and Roxy. So come on down.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

'The Strongo Song' is easily one of my top 10 dancer tracks.

Everyone likes 'Around The World', even some of my hip hop mates.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Disco did have some hard ass beats, but it seems like things have gone in a kind of "hardness of the beat > everything" direction. A lot of 70s disco stuff, while delivering the beats, seems less beat you over the head to me than modern club music. More subtle and detached? I don't know.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, so what IS Discovery aside from a Euro-brainy DETACHED look at pop fun that lacks the basic force that a lil' American headbanger like myself associates with dancing?

and everywhere where I bitched about Daft Punk I'm really bitching about Discovery. The three-four tracks I've kept were the ones that at least had pop hooks and a little less beat-fuckage monotony.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

do you hate nostalgia? (i ask this seriously.)

― jess, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Why are we talking about this album as if it wasn't always already the soundtrack to an anime movie about blue alien popstars.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

b-b-but Discovery is music from the FUTURE

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

NOSTALGIA FOR THE FUTURE

― jess, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

YES

― tricky disco (disco stu), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Jess I LOVE nostalgia (see recent posts about nu-wave on my blog), I just like it to be genuinely trashy, less...BECK. I probably would like the album more if I was sitting on my ass in a movie theater watching japanimation.

and I love how every time I complain about a song being "overegged" (a phrase I'm eternally grateful for Stevem bringing up on that Kish Kash thread where I was going all over the map instead of just admitting that the album as a whole struck me as crazy-busy) and overlong, people assume I can't dance to ANYTHING for a long time, something nobody who's seen me in a bar would imply.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

you haven't heard 'Around The World' until you've heard the '97 tour version.

Jaxx and DP represent for me the pinnacle of head+heart, fun+serious, dance+think, noise+song music. Who else can rival them for combining sonic invention (nobody can/does do what the Jaxx do, if they can I haven't heard it...no two bars the same, a different event every 4 beats, some subtle/missable even after 100 listens some unavoidably in yer face, a suitcase bursting with all kinds of ideas, Ratcliffe and Buxton sitting on top trying to keep it all in, and i think they manage to do this every time, preventing a complete mess - tho i know Miccio disagrees on this)

oh, same kinda true with Daft Punk of course, but in a different way

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Who else can rival them for combining sonic invention

...with quality popcraft

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

CeCe: this was my long drawn out ponder on why Discovery was great and not really a dance album, at the time of its release. It canvasses some of the issues you raise I think.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

it was actually Reynolds who described Kish Kash as overegged, to my chagrin, tho you did seem to feel the same way.

I still listen and dance to 'Good Luck' all the time, and I maintain that it comes incredibly close to just collapsing into chaos...but imo IT DOESN'T, and that's part of their genius

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I appreciate yer post Stevem, cuz if anything I'm missing the proggier, technical elements of this stuff, not the pop aspects. And I'll admit that both the Jaxx (who made some CLASSIC tracks in '03 I can now admit, I just tend to get anxious and jump for the next one with a minute still left) and Daft Punk are heads over heels better than many of their peers when it comes to combining popcraft with sonic invention.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

but if it doesn't want to make you dance there's nothing wrong about that at all. 'Get Free' doesn't make me want to dance, but I know it will some people.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Thing is that out of the fuckin' blue Britney Spears topped Kish Kash at its own game pop-wise and while ILX is smart enough to acknowledge the glory of "Toxic", most critics didn't give it the same creedence cuz the "artist" wasn't two nerds. It was JUST great pop, not primarily meant to be appreciated as some synthesis of art and fun.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean the only reason someone could argue "Toxic" didn't beat Kish Kash was that it wasn't COMPLEX enough so ha ha PROG.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

is it possible that BJ's intent is just fun and the way they're received by critics is fun+art because they can't get past the two nerds bit?

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Jaxx producing Britney would probably end up more like Corrina Joseph's 'Lonely' or 'Always Be There' - but her people would never have that

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear, judging by the last two minutes of their tracks, BJ's concept of fun is quite a bit proggier than pop.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

nothing per se is wrong with this, but I have to bring it up when I'm accused of hating fun.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Toxic could have fitted pretty well on Kish Kash.

Who else can rival them for combining sonic invention
...with quality popcraft

Well, you've seen your gmail...

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

(I was joking about the hating fun, obv.)

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

'Plug It In' and 'Toxic' are viciously battling to be my no. 1 single of the year.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear I don't think it's JUST fun because it seems clear they have very specific attitude to production. i get a stronger sense of 'this bit has to happen HERE, NOT THERE' and 'just throw that in there to make people go wtf some more' more than i ever did listening to Aphex or Autechre, but with that kind of approach you're often wondering how much is accident and how much is intentional and with all three artists I think it's generally a healthy mix of both. It also suggests a desire to do MORE than just make people dance and have fun, tho that's certainly the priority in both DP's and BJ's case (not with the Warp dudes, heh).

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link

(I know, Roxy, but I've been thinking about this shit ever since that Kish Kash thread way back esp. since I CANNOT STOP PLAYING "LUCKY STAR" so I had to let it all hang out and explain, hopefully more politely and clearly than last time, why this stuff doesn't strike me as the pinnacle of pop goodness)

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link

and just to remind people as if they needed it, i'm as much about prog as i am about pop...

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

but CeCe upthread you said, and I quote:

nothing per se is wrong with...hating fun.

-- CeCe Peniston (anthonymicci...), August 19th, 2004 5:13 PM.

which sort of confused me

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I would like to say I don't like BJ all that much, I like DP a lot, and Junior Boys better than both, that is all!

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

well it's not pure pop, what i am saying is it's this amazing convergence of pure pop philosophy and something else...blowing people's minds with fucked up sounds that demand dancefloor response basically

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

And Big&Rich?

xpost

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I need to hear this Junior Boys, though like with cult hit movies I'm almost afraid to.

I REALLY need to hear Big & Rich.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

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