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hahaha yeah, it'll be new times who suffers!

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:06 (twenty years ago)

i think that new times nyc is already suffering, hence the pathetic ad on the music page. xpost

― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Also, I currently see no reason to stop writing for the Voice. They still let me talk about bands.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I didn't mean to suggest that people shouldn't write for the Voice if they want to. I was just saying I assumed the ad was in response to lack of pitches.

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:25 (twenty years ago)

it is fun to make struggling hacks defensive, though

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:28 (twenty years ago)

blackmail, do you think that the strategy of not pitching to the voice will make the management increase wordcounts?

― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:30 (twenty years ago)

But why would people stop pitching? The field is competitive and unstable as it is. And Harvilla, by all accounts, is a good guy.

Like a bunch of seasoned veterans who have to feed their kids on writing about rock bands are gonna turn their back on the best known alt-weekly in the nation because a big, scary corporation bought it?

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:34 (twenty years ago)

I guess the Voice is turning their back on them, then!

― Zwan (miccio), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Like a bunch of seasoned veterans who have to feed their kids on writing about rock bands

The amount of people actually doing this and only this and making it work for themselves in this current historical moment is, I suspect, pretty damn small. (I'm sure Douglas Wolk isn't the only one, I agree, and it's not the only thing he writes about!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, something's amiss. I realize that a lot of folks find the notion of collective action unsavory, and chances are this is just a coincidence, unless as Zwan suggests, it's a partial lock out situation that's produced a "talent search" of sorts. Management is clearly taking initiative in finding ways to get around established contributors - like Whiney G said, Chuck was never short for pitches. But without decent content, the New Times model is just another race to the bottom in an unstable industry that seems hellbent on needless self-destruction.

I understand people have to eat, but working for less and less with stricter rules isn't working toward stability either. It's just taking a pay cut.

― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Thursday, 18 May 2006 14:44 (twenty years ago)

if the most established music writer in america can't be bothered to move his ass, why should us struggling hacks?

-- Struggling Hack (hackoram...), May 18th, 2006.

― struggling hack, Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:13 (twenty years ago)

working for less and less with stricter rules isn't working toward stability either.

having one less outlet to pitch to is another form of working for less and less

― struggling hack, Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)

First assignment: this thread.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)

look, i can understand if some of you have some lingering loyalty to chuck eddy that would make you feel bad about continuing to write for the voice, that's your perogative. but for those of us for whom chuckles never did nothing no-how, fuck it... this sounds like an opening to me. one i'm gonna take. also, why the fuck should we feel that tug of loyalty for chuck (which i admit, i kinda do, not even knowing him, just as an admirer of his writing from a loooooong time ago) when his mentor can't even be bothered to make some noise...

― struggling hack, Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

its times like this i wish you people had an I Love Freelancing (ILF) board to fuck off to.

― and there are lot's of other sites, but all of them are fake... (sanskrit), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

How do I get a hackland account?

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

"ok, how shd he go about getting in new talent? blogs? pitchfork?"

That would seem like the obvious place to start. The online world is crawling with amateur and semi-pro writers who wouldn't mind a paycheck. It'd be a hell of a lot easier than asking for blind submissions and hoping for the best. I mean, seriously, does this guy not have any favorite writers? And he's been doing this how long?

― Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

why the fuck should we feel that tug of loyalty for chuck (which i admit, i kinda do, not even knowing him, just as an admirer of his writing from a loooooong time ago) when his mentor can't even be bothered to make some noise...

what are you talking about? hot tip: faux-insider poses don't really work when you get things wrong.

― maura (maura), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)

If established writers stop pitching the Voice, it'll be as much or more a matter of self-interest than collective action in support of Chuck. The pay is only good by alt-weekly standards--nobody getting magazine work is surviving off Voice pieces. If there's no longer any presige to the section, and if creativity is curtailed, why not go make $1 a word as a hack and use yr blog as self-expression.

― Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:56 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and, duh, if you're not getting pitches, you can always ask writers you like if they want to review something for you. Not sure when the idea of an editor *assigning* a story went out of style.

― Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

i'm not pretending to be an insider, i'm just saying i still see christigau's by-lines in the voice - so why should i join the "collective action" if someone like the dean isn't - especially since his taking a PUBLIC stand would mean about a million times more than most of us

― struggling hack, Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Seems a slightly odd rationale on your part, s.h.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:18 (twenty years ago)

i'm beginning to understand the 'struggling' part

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

right. i'm rationalizing, but people who believe that an informal "collective action" (minus christgau) will teach new times "a lesson" are being reasonable.

― s.h., Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I think they're voting with their feet, s.h., more than anything else. I don't find that hard to understand and neither should you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Since when do ethics have any fucking place in journalism?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

I think they're voting with their feet, s.h., more than anything else. I don't find that hard to understand and neither should you.

this is the reaganoid variant of what i said, more or less, and it's not an extreme position at all, nor is it tied in to what happened to chuck or what xgau does in his absence.

― blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

new times should start a high school writing program in the city

― lf (lfam), Thursday, 18 May 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

I kinda assumed this ad was because people they were "left with" stopped pitching, but I may be projecting.

They haven't stopped pitching, but I'm sure the NT police sure wants them to. Oh well ... the current roster can't all suck to them. I'm sure things will work out there.

Also, whole episode is not a loyalty to Chuck vs. a loyalty to Rob issue at all. It's that the notion of ad being posted when, as has been mentioned, Chuck (and Eric Wisbard I'm sure) got like 50 unsolicited pitches a week is unbelievable -- and tacky ...

― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:34 (twenty years ago)

some of the same names have some pieces in this issue still -- gotta wonder if they were already in the works before this all hit (chuck also built up quite a backlog of ready to run copy) even tho maybe to my oversensitive eyes they feel like they've been through a difft. sort of editing mill than they woulda been put thru before. also, the new kickers are astonishingly earnest. i miss the roffles.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 19 May 2006 00:47 (twenty years ago)

this thread revival is hilarious.

― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 19 May 2006 01:27 (twenty years ago)

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― tramadol, Saturday, 20 May 2006 04:37 (twenty years ago)

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― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Saturday, 20 May 2006 04:45 (twenty years ago)

The college cheating methods are way more interesting than alt-weekly politicking. I can't imagine thinking that any student thought he or she could pull out a cell phone, photograph questions and start texting without getting caught.

― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 20 May 2006 04:50 (twenty years ago)

sylvester wrote an article about new ways of cheating a while back that was at least half fabricated, was why i posted that.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 20 May 2006 04:54 (twenty years ago)

i joined a gym because of that fucker and i have yet to run into a fellow ripster.

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― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 20 May 2006 12:24 (twenty years ago)

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― Sesso, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:36 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

"Maybe because she kissed me on the cheek afterwards..."

i don't believe it

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Friday, 4 August 2006 05:26 (nineteen years ago)

i'm disappointed that "maker upper" didn't become a catchphrase around here

― aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

you never know, man...it still could happen.

i wish nick would start posting here again. he could use the screenname "Jayceon Terell Taylor."

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

(and if he doesn't jess should)

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

Voice welcomes EIC #4

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 14 August 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

is he working for pitchfork again?

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/track_reviews/38116/Wolf_Eyes_The_Driller#38116

― a little knowledge can go a long way (lfam2), Thursday, 24 August 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

he was reviewing in the dance column on stylus a while back, maybe still is.

― bad hair day house (fandango), Thursday, 24 August 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

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― nicholas de jong (nicholas de jong), Friday, 20 October 2006 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

I don't believe you.

― ONIMO's fish might turn into lizards (GerryNemo), Friday, 20 October 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

has this been discussed yet?

― don weiner (don weiner), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ a college professor explaining to her students who Diplo is as part of a lecture

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

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