Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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Helena completely undercut her point by linking to something that looks really, really cool in theory.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 July 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Go for it Lord Custos.

― Helena, Thursday, 24 July 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, I'm back.
First: let's break down your post one clause at a time.

Too many rednecks on this forum.
You have obviously NOT been reading the forum. It's mostly indie kid fans and undie rapper fans. In fact, Redneckness is probably more common in the DMB camp then here.
Also, this is an ad hominem attack. Instead of rebutting the other posters, you instead say nasty things about the posters themselves Granted, the ILM'ers have been doing more of their fair share of that as well.

DMB have fans of all color,creed,class etc.
Of all the DMB fan *I've* ever met, have been ex-Deadhead white guys and...oh...rednecks (one dude -- who drives a truck by the way -- only has three tapes: Crash by DMB, Come on Over by Shania Twain, and greatest hits of Randy Travis. Why only three? He threw out his Dixie Chicks tape.)
I have yet to meet any black people who can stomach DMB.
(Contrary to points mentioned very very early in the thread: I haven't met any bankers or insurance men who like DMB either. They all seem to be into John Tesh or John Coltrane.)

Can't believe some of you all went on about how black people don't like DMB. How many black people like your beloved sonic youths and killing jokes?
I know a girl named VeShawn who only likes Metallica and Megadeth. Does that come close?

Dave Rocks!
you forgot to say "and u r all gay!"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

How many black people like your beloved sonic youths and killing jokes?

Not that it matters in the slightest, but I know more black folks who like Killing Joke than I do who would ever stoop to the level of listening to DMB.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Yaaaaay! Alex is BACK!
But I don't see how anyone can be more of a KJ fan than Alex...unless they are all still in iceland wearing their tinfoil hats and praying that the end of the world will be quick and painless.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Why only three? He threw out his Dixie Chicks tape.

good set-up, fine delivery.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought ILM was pop!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

So, Helena...whats your rebuttal to my rebuttal?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 24 July 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought ILM was pop!
Nope. Haven't ya heard? We're all a bunch of autosodomizing, t'bacca-chewin' redrecks, now.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 24 July 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, Helena, where ARE your rebuttals? Put 'em on the glass, as they say around here.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 24 July 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not actually back. I'm sitting in an overly air-conditioned public library in Quogue on Long Island. The wife and I came out here for a week of sun, but it's been relentlessly rainy, alas.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 24 July 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck every single person in here that talks shit about dave. every dmb lover can tell you how talented and incredible dmb is. but for all you idiots that have NOOOOOOOOOOOo idea and talk bad need to sit down with a dave album and just listen. listen to the words, listen to the music, listen to everything. and until you actually listen go fuck yourselves. dave rocks

― drew s, Friday, 25 July 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay!

― J (Jay), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

...and we are all gay.

yes, yes, we KNOW this.

also, looks like this thread will never die. Looks like it's time to start referencing other pop culture, since we've had our run of _Dune_.

What icon of Western Civilization shall we make jokes about today?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Drew. WE *HAVE* LISTENED. We Have NO CHOICE. He's on the RADIO...ALL...THE...TIME...!
We couldn't AVOID listening to him if we tried!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

So - we're still waiting on a DMB fuckwit fan to give us an example of a good song. Just one fucking song!? Or is it his haircut that you love?

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

So where's you rational rebuttal to that, eh, Drew?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Jerry Springer is running for the U.S. Senate.

― J (Jay), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

ODB will kick his ass.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm disappointed by the DMB crew's constant refusal to put them rebuttals on the glass.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

They are Guerilla Trolls. They jump in, call us all idiots. Demand we listen to the nitwits dull and irritating music (like we could frigging avoid it), and then don't bother posting again.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, except for Helena. (And she still hasn't rebutted by rebuttal.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Rebutting would only be a waste of time. It's imposible to prove any point here since everyone has already formed a bad opinion of the band and are obviously not willing to alter that opinion.

Song that captures the overall DMBness of DMB = So much to say.

― Allison (Allison), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Allison has proved her worth repeatedly, so in deference to her opinion I will listen to "So Much to Say" and try to glean some wisdom therefrom. If the meaning of life appears I'll let y'all know!

I was hoping Helena would show back up too. :-(

― J (Jay), Friday, 25 July 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, that wasn't a radio single, was it?

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't believe so...might have been.

― Allison (Allison), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

To rebut:
"Rebutting would only be a waste of time. It's imposible to prove any point here since every DMB fan has already formed a positive assessment of the band and are obviously not willing to alter that opinion."
And as Mark Twain once aptly opined: "Any long standing debate -- or thread over 1200 posts long -- means both sides are wrong."

Since neither side will give ground, maybe would should
1) both admit defeat and turn this thread back into a random assortment of movie quotes. or
2) nope. there is no choice #2. Goto 1

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.osric.com/~jeremy/bizarro.jpg

http://www.osric.com/~jeremy/glitch.jpg
I still say that this thread is a glitch in the matrix, and it's a lot like participating in the Special Olympics.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Now..was that really necessary?

― Allison (Allison), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I could only afford the 30 second clips on the Amazon website .. but .. Dave's music *is* toe-tapable .. but I get this Phil Collins vibe off of it - maybe a little funkier, but still, there it is. I think what really bugs me are the smooth-jazz basslines. ANyway, I think I liked Too Much more than the other songs - although I still can't get away from the association with drinking a $5.00 Budweiser at a free outdoor festival kinda sound.

But thanks for the recommendation, Allison.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

The way I see it, Allison is caught between our snarkiness and the fact that practically none of the other fans who have posted here have any sense of perspective.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Alright - after further anesthetizing my sensibilities, I can accept the 30-second clip of "Don't Drink the Water" as passable. (That's probably the song that true DMB fans hate, isn't it....)

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

snarkiness keeps me entertained at work, at least.

and that makes it all worthwhile.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually it's one of my favorites. It's only 30 seconds though, you didn't get to hear the part where he freaks out and goes into a trance-like state.

― Allison (Allison), Friday, 25 July 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave Matthews is on the local alt-rock morning show right now, previewing songs from his new "solo album." He's kind of funny, in a pleased-with-himself way. The songs are atmospheric but dull. I think I like them better than the songs (I've heard) with the "B."

― Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't stand that don't drink the water song. it was funny at first but now it's just damned silly.

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny? I guess I didn't listen very carefully. (Actually, i didn't listen to the words at all.) I just thought that musically it was more interesting than what else I've heard.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Christ, I remember looking in on this thread in its infancy, the very day it was birthed.
And look, it's gotten so big.
I just spent two hours reading this thread, and I have to admit, it was fan-freakin'-tastic.
It had everything — drama, conflict, comedy, tragedy, mysterious strangers, and if I read between the lines correctly, maybe even a little romance.
Thank you to all the posters for such an entertaining read — from the ILM regulars, who didn't disappoint, to the DMB legions who rushed to their idol's defence.
This thread is pure gold.
Somebody should allow some magazine to serialize this. Or ILM could sell the movie rights.
Oh, and Dave Matthews rox Uruguay.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Friday, 25 July 2003 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Would Careless Talk Costs Lives be improved if they ran a cover story on Dave Matthews Band? Everett True should interview Dave Matthews.
ET could be responsible for inflic....launching the genius of DMB in the UK. (Getting him away from us all in the states for a while)

― Allannah, Friday, 25 July 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

And Q magazine can run one of those "Big...in Turkmenistan!" micro-stories.
But anyhow... back to what Bruce Urquhart brought up:
Christ, I remember looking in on this thread in its infancy, the very day it was birthed.
And look, it's gotten so big
Sigh. Yeah. 15% of the blame falls on my head. I'm sorry, everybody.
(PS: the Secret of Life is not -- repeat, not -- hidden anywhere in this thread.)

drama, conflict, comedy, tragedy, mysterious strangers, and if I read between the lines correctly, maybe even a little romance.
Um...romance?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I love you all.

― Dave Matthews, Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

See. Romance.
Plus, they would probably deny it, but I could feel the heat between Alex in NYC and Allison.
Raw, animal heat. Or antipathy. It's a fine line.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

The words "Groovy Hate Fuck" come to mind, but I won't voice that thought out loud because it would be low, lewd, sad, crass and wrong.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

come on out and dance!
come on out and dance!
come on out and make romance!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, i'd give $5 for a Groovy Hate Fuck right about now. Maybe i should go out wandering about the town tonight instead of wasting the evening playing video games again.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah...here's the romance.
Does anyone on ILM wanna give Kingfish a Groovy Hate Fuck?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 26 July 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I Hate You All.

― Jaz Coleman, Saturday, 26 July 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave Up For The 2003 Shortlist Prize !!!
http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1942690

― Dave Matthews Band Fan, Saturday, 26 July 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

erm i meant to type hes one of the list makers (he chooses his favorite albums that have sold less than 500,000)

― Dave Matthews Band Fan, Saturday, 26 July 2003 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

This year marks the third annual competition, which, like the U.K.'s Panasonic Mercury Prize, honors projects for their creative and adventurous appeal rather than their commercial success.

ADVENTUROUS?!

oh well. at least ?uestlove is in there.

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 26 July 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

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