i dunno max, on one level what you're saying about geography makes perfect sense and i am sympathetic to it, on the other it sounds a bit like arguing that "music for airports" is actually about airports, or best understood in terms of thinking about airports. which it might be, come to think of it ...
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah i think the geographic thing makes perfect sense and if you are a cerebral music nerd living next to the ocean it makes sense that it informs your listening habits. that's speaking 100% from experience (i live a block away from the pacific next to some beaches that are naturally very intense and wild).
― tricky, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link
perhaps we can continue both the thought experiment and suggestions?
only because i am curious as to how both max and siah view this music or freedom of location/this sense of placelessness somehow correlates with a particular fantasy of wealth or upper class lifestyle. maybe this is the most truly American attribute to the contextualization of this music because unless i remember incorrectly, the balearic sound derives from the music played on the paradise-like balearic isles in the 1970s when they were inhabited by loads of hippies who did nothing but walk around nude all day and go to dance parties at night listening to this music. in this sense i think the music relates to the island paradise driven concept of escapism which now permeates many americans' fantasies of escaping (or maybe just me, siah, and max). that this music is somehow now contextualized as upper class though is interesting because at first i had trouble fitting the whole "hippie" label into this pseudo-genre which i, given my urban perspective on the music, took to be much more cosmopolitan. now i'm rambling as well...
for a suggestion, the new Woolfy vs. Projections album The Astral Projections Of Starlight is quite beautiful with beachy guitars and dreamy vocals but then again it fits into my more cosmopolitan version of a balearic beardo hippie beach canon
― Bomb Bomb Iran (san frandisco), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link
One track has been posted to 20JFG here
http://www.20jazzfunkgreats.co.uk/wordpress/2008/10/15/a-post-so-smooth-it-could-be-made-of-baby-skin/#comments
― Bomb Bomb Iran (san frandisco), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
balearic is kind of like rockism in that I have only seen those two godforsaken words on this webpage
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm kinda interested in the Scandinavian/Kraut/European side of this spectrum, esp. considering the fact that E2-E4 loosely fits this vibe (Gottsching was sooooo a hippie). There has to be more in this vein...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/87/258081144_081a7a6cf3.jpg?v=0
Plus, the whole Laurel Canyon-beach vibe you're going for just doesn't make sense to me. Guess I just don't see how the 'beachy' side fits in, especially in "If I Could Only Remember My Name," which has always been about the mountains for me (who cares what the cover looks like). I mean, maybe you're just looking for country-rock made by drug casualties of the '70s, but that starts to veer towards boogie-rock territory or loner-psych, which is way more 'beardo' than 'balearic'.
That being said, what do you think of Jim Ford in this context? Is he on the Americana side of the axis, even though he was notorious for coke-fueled yacht parties and could bust out some seriously funky grooves alongside the honky-tonk?
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Yxx2vqHKL._SL500_AA280_.jpg
― psychgawsple, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link
yacht rockism?
― Bomb Bomb Iran (san frandisco), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link
http://images.juno.co.uk/full/CS1360340-02A-BIG.jpg
― Bomb Bomb Iran (san frandisco), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Jim Ford is certainly hard to pin down...I always saw him as more C & W than R & B...he was a notoriously violent drunk, which I always thought explained his predilection toward honky-tonk...he also always claimed to be the true author of "Ode To Billy Joe"...
― henry s, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link
re jim ford: hmmm, don't know if he fits, the funkier tunes maybe get close??some great tunes on that either wayxpost
― velko, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Some more suggestions, possibly slightly too Dad Rock, maybe not beachy enough.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515BhRBIt%2BL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
http://www.musicdirect.com/shared/images/products/large/crhi78274-2.jpg
And no I'm really not kidding about that Doobie album, its basically Gaucho with Michael McDonald singing.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
i love that little feat album
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:52 (fifteen years ago) link
And this is for Tim as He's looking for stuff in the Santana line of thinking.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41VAFDS0RVL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
http://www.zshare.net/audio/501517708612833b/
Gypsy - Gypsy Queen Pt. 1
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Max you're totally right about Shawn Phillips BTW. So much of his stuff would fit on this thread.
Let me dig around a bit.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link
hey what about that mike simonetti "balearic sabbath" mix from earlier this year? all 70s shit i believe.
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link
get it here: http://www.allez-allez.co.uk/2007/08/mike-simonetti.html
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link
i guess that runs a little more toward r&b than it does toward the kind of americana stuff thats popping up here (despite opening w/ buckingham/nicks) but its a spiritual cousin!
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link
And a lot of the stuff that Jaxon mentioned has been included in Kosmiche Kid's Cosmic Dancing Mixes.
http://www.djhistory.com/forum/showthread.php?p=308560
Which I was completely unaware of until this thread, thanks Jaxon for inspiring the google.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 21:10 (fifteen years ago) link
the idea is that there definitely seems to be a loose canon emerging which stretches from David Crosby (but perhaps not CS&N per se) through to say Arthur Russell.
wrong. check out Dark Star
― jaxon, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:05 (fifteen years ago) link
as far as santana, some of his beardier releases are Welcome (produced by alice coltrane and leon thomas on vocals)
http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/images/amg_covers/200/dre800/e876/e8769171tkg.jpg
and Love Devotion Surrender with john mclaughlin and is a tribute to john coltrane (so heavy and sooo sooo soo beautiful)
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2008/1/26/albumcoverJohnMcLaughlin-CarlosSantana-LoveDevotionSurrender.jpg
― jaxon, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link
― jaxon, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:09 (fifteen years ago) link
lol at cosmology at 1:00 in dark star video
― caek, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Just thinking about San Frandisco's question.
I suppose I see Yacht Rock as upper class because that was its image I guess, rock stars sailing out to international waters to have parties. And as poor as I am the Balearic islands might as well be on Mars. I've never been to Europe and unless the factory I work at suddenly gives me a 6 dollar an hour raise I very likely will never go there. Cheap dollar bin records (or very obscure psych ones) are a readily accessible commodity where yachts and international vacations are out of reach.
Rural america on the other hand is something I have a far too intimate a knowledge of to think of as escapist. A couple of years in the country gave me a great Southern rock collection, but it almost drove me out of my mind. I've got no desire to go back to living with ex Meth addicts so that I can round out my Americana collection.
Here's some Shawn Phillips.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/50154308677b8d28/
For a folkie, he sure brought the funk sometimes.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
the shawn phillips album Spaced is a bunch of his outtakes that are all jazz funked out. tons of rhodes and breaks. even has a dj shadow sample on it
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7859/o68602dl2.jpg
― jaxon, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Sounds tasty.
Someone needs to do a Venn diagram so I know how this all fits in with rare groove, acid jazz, etc.
For example, is the Azymuth album Balearic?
Is it Rare Groove? Is it Cosmic Disco?
I guess its definitely not hippie Beardo, but it fits in a lot of these categories.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Oops misspelled that, I meant the Azimuth album. Not the stuff that they did as Azymuth.
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000KB1Y1S.01-A3HKN0V35GPHDY._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V37305148_.jpg
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link
― joe 40oz (deej), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 04:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Is Shuggie Otis a hippie? Balearic?
― psychgawsple, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 05:02 (fifteen years ago) link
he's from la so i guess so
― winston, Thursday, 23 October 2008 00:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Tusk, obv
― winston, Thursday, 23 October 2008 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm kinda interested in the Scandinavian/Kraut/European side of this spectrum
mebbe a couple of the less psych-y more rockin' Pekka Streng tracks.
― wilter, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link
in that regard, what about that alf emil eik guy that's on lindstrom's late night tales?
― winston, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd also be interested in any Australian suggestions coz i got nothing.
― wilter, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I had a great pizza and bottle of wine tonight and the restaurant played tusk and I thought of this thread. so tusk.
― caek, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Flash and the Pan have already been suggested, wilter.
― Tim F, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link
oh yeah!
― wilter, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I actually downloaded the self-titled Dingoes album just to see if it fit in here, it doesn't really lol.
― wilter, Thursday, 23 October 2008 01:53 (fifteen years ago) link
brennan green played a mental as anything track on beats in space once
― Deep House, M.D. (haitch), Thursday, 23 October 2008 02:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Whatever the first track is on the Västkustska Ryggdunkarsällskapet mix for 'Cool in the Pool' is pretty fantastic for this thread.
I guess the whole mix is, actually. Pure Scandinavian beachy beardo bliss. Emphasis on the beardo
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 23 October 2008 03:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, for some reason I had never heard this until someone mentioned it in a related post...
http://www.batini.com/sales/cd/canflowmotion.jpg
I didn't know Can got so Polynesian ha. It's so great because they fail at the Steely Dan thing but in their own amazing way
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 23 October 2008 03:39 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe (ahem) jan akkerman's oil in the family?middle eastern guitars vs disco beat etc etc
― Marco Damiani, Thursday, 23 October 2008 07:22 (fifteen years ago) link
back home I listened again to it and, under the carelessly flat production and the cheesy sound, there's still beautifully summery in it - but maybe its just me.big in turkey, apparently.
― Marco Damiani, Thursday, 23 October 2008 13:13 (fifteen years ago) link
dude, listen to some earlier akkerman. gets rid of all that shitty smooth production
― jaxon, Thursday, 23 October 2008 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I have this one too: but in that case, shitty smooth production is okay for me! : )
― Marco Damiani, Thursday, 23 October 2008 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Really love that Pekka Streng and Tasavallan Presidentti album, looking forward to finding more from Streng-- thanks for the reccomendation.
From a completely different angle...
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/618JMTSC8WL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 23 October 2008 17:18 (fifteen years ago) link
this is the kind of thread that my wallet can't stand!
― poortheatre, Thursday, 23 October 2008 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
??http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/c/cherry_don~_brownrice_101b.jpg??
― poortheatre, Thursday, 23 October 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I would say yes, esp. the title track.And what about Gary Burton's "Vibrafinger"?
― Marco Damiani, Thursday, 23 October 2008 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Surely a bunch of ECM stuff (Metheny, Tibbets, Eberhard Weber)
― P'zone, Thursday, 23 October 2008 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link