rolling ringtone thread 2008

i think it cements polows brilliance that he turned two garage band presets into the #1 song in the country

any of you dudes listen to the guilty simpson album?

xp it cements his hackery! still think its a lame song

two xp's:

the guilty simpson album is really awesome, totaly didn't know what to expect from him but I think I chose the one stones throw/indie rap dude that actually talks about guns and shit

also: I never knew any of this stuff about garage band presets and Polow and "Love in this Club"

what's the deal with this dude?

Guilty Simpson is prolly the second best hip-hop album of 08 so far after Webbie.

Kind of lo-fi grindhouse Madlib/Oh No beats with slow measured G Rap flow.

the only guy who doesn't bring it on that Guilty Simpson record is the guy whose name is on the cover. weird because he has contributed some solid verses to other people's material. he obviously needs the constraint of working inside someone else's ideas 'cos he hasn't got any of his own. this is probably the biggest disappointment of the year for me so far.

new AZ record is fantastic

am0n 0tm

spiralli = amon??

no, but also otm, i guarantee

actually not

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hey everybody, it's Preview of the Matrix 12! yay!

Deej is this what you & Eth felt like watching me/Rev/J0 zing each other last summer?

lol, sorry dad

huge lolz around here

newish big noyd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qarw5BfaXUc

like this khao solo single, minor epic vibes

might even sell a beat or two / old skool 2 steppin like some orthopaedic shoes

like this 50 liar liar, maybe just cos the beat aint dreary

like this bobby creekwater guy, can't say i ever noticed him on shady re-up

don't think the polow garageband scandal means much of anything really, it probly goes on way more than we imagine. 'umbrella' was a preset g-band drum pattern i believe?

far as hackery goes it's still a billion times better than say tim's 'elevator'/'4 minutes' vile wackness this year - 'love in the club' also has the piano breakdown and a nice ambient section in the video mix for usher's dance bit. even the first 30 seconds of that shitty nelly/fergie single when it jags up is more excitingly produced than most.

yeah the piano really does redeem "Love" -- also the main problem w/ him taking 2 Garageband loops and setting them to drums is that he used his worst, limpest drums. wake me when someone does a straight-up house remix of that song and I might be ready to surrender to it.

lol i really like elevator xp

I don't know, cuz

is there any real problem with using GarageBand presets? I'm wondering why polow's people would make such a big deal out of it...it's not like he's Soulja Boy and this is his first beat, the guy has produced a million hits.

I don't think his people made a big deal about it, someone else just noticed and called him on it, and he responded. anyway when you take a songwriting and production credit on a record and there's no sample clearance, there's a certain expectation that you're creating/playing something, not just cutting & pasting existing material (although Gooch on XXL.com might be onto something w/ his assertion that using software presets = sampling an existing record).

just realized that Robin Thicke played the piano on "Love In This Club," so Polow doesn't even fully get credit for that much!

yeah i mean there are some ethical questions raised but as long as he didn't rip someone off really bad I don't think it should take away form the fact that it's an amazing beat and probably 1/2 the reason why the song is loved so much right now...

i mean i wonder how many people have used software presets and never been caught-- it's really not that big of a deal

well a lot of people haven't been caught because their shit already SOUNDS like presets like various lil' Lil Jons. it's more sensational w/ someone like Polow because he's seen as being in the lineage of Timbo and the Neptunes (both of whom have used a lot of presets and stuff grabbed off beat CDs and uncredited samples, in addition to the more creative from-scratch stuff they do).

no one really seemed to mind that the drums on Umbrella were garage band.

isnt the bit in "what goes around" a garageband preset?

oh no way, what bit?

the string-y "middle eastern" bit (sorry i have no clue what that instrument is)? im probably wrong, i just remembered it from garageband i think.

i'm sure i've brought this up on ILM a hundred times but there's a great mp3 from a few years ago that's just 8 minutes of Timbaland tracks and the obscure (mostly Asian) stuff he sampled for them

and then there's stuff like "Cop That Shit" (er, disc?) that jacks the same beat CD later put to better use by someone else on Bobby V's "Slow Down" and I also I think that Britney/Ying Yang monstrosity.

the flip side of all this, of course, is that the moment the Neptunes fell off was when they got self-conscious about using Triton drums and started recording & sampling their own live percussion that generally sounded like tinny hand drums and shit

true, but i like some of their live-sound stuff (everything on the first timberlake record sounds great).

that pharrell solo album has some of the worst drum sounds ever.

yeah Justified was a good early use of that approach for the most part, it was really after the first year or so of heavy live instrumentation that started to suck I should say

I'm surprised there isn't more excitement over the new Busta track...seems right up your alleys with the whole throwback, old man rap steez

"the Godfather of the club banger"....i can see it

i like that song!

or were you being a dick? who knows I like it anywayzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

no i like it

I think there's another micro-trend that is uptempo throwback raps like this and the "Just Fine" remix

we talked about the latyrx-sounding busta joint upthread

well i just brought i up again

oh well

Yeah, the Busta joint is hot.

s a lifelong rap head, I don't know whether I should revel in or disguise the fact that I've never heard even one song from either Floridian rapper Plies or Flo Rida. On the one hand, my credibility amongst purists of the backpack variety will undoubtedly go up a notch; on the other, it indicates that I'm not willing to sacrifice my ears for my craft, or worse, that I'm some sort of rap snob (the kind who listens to stuff like Aesop Rock and never dances...uuuggghh). But from a cursory glance at the peer group these two keep in the industry, I'm confident making a blanket indictment of both of them, dismissing both as epitomes of the equally comic and tragic hyper consumptive/gangsta/nihilist/flossy cotton-candy rap that (I can only assume) is so pervasive on the airwaves (I don't actually tune into) today. Make ya money, shake that ass, I ain't mad at cha. All ages.
Thu., March 20, 6 p.m., 2008