is it sort of hard for anyone else to link balearic and beardo so easily? kind of like sonny crockett hanging out with chong or something?
― winston, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 04:02 (sixteen years ago) link
i guess i'm still thinking of beardo as that harvey "mad dog chronicles" and led zepellin but that thread is kind of all over the place...
― winston, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 04:04 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.8ballrecords.it/database/database_public/img/GERRY-RAFFERTY-CITY-TO-CITY.jpg also this:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51B91V046XL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
which i think was actually recorded at a desultory beach party. liner notes:
So here we were --singing for a small crowd thatstood so far awaywe couldn't see their faces clearly,so -- not worrying about it -- playing pretty much for ourselves,having some fun in Florida --performing in a tiki hut (!) --mandarin orange slices with almonds,fresh fish,a big condo all to ourselves with awashing machine in the very building --The Rough Squirrels and I enjoyed this gig and on a return engagement decided to get a tape machine rolling --these are some of the highlights --purely for your pleasure --Here's your Pizza!
P.S. The real words to the first line ofthe first verse of "Samson and Delilah" are"I'm-uh ease your mind an' tell youwhere to find the best salon."The second verse is supposed to start with"Donna's gonna graduate an' Katy'sgot a date -- Alright!"
― tipsy mothra, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 04:33 (sixteen years ago) link
does bob welch fit here, or is that too slick? fleetwood mac connection tho
― velko, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link
also, some nilsson. possibly all nilsson. definitely this nilsson:
― tipsy mothra, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 04:54 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost. welch totally fits. check this track? slick, and wonderful http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Let-Me-Fall/dp/B0017QQAE6
and this one is totally driving, bearded rock
― jaxon, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 04:56 (sixteen years ago) link
"tim is from stupid australia"
Yeah we have no clue. Even our one big country singer is called Keith URBAN.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 06:27 (sixteen years ago) link
sorry i seem to have dragged this thread into "max has fantasies about sweden and los angeles"
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 10:34 (sixteen years ago) link
stuff from the 70s thread that does NOT fit this: the beau brummels & the byrds
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 10:35 (sixteen years ago) link
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 10:37 (sixteen years ago) link
maybe some rick roberts solo stuff? burrito bros probably not. maybe firefall
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 10:43 (sixteen years ago) link
siah and max's points about the imaginariness of americana are interesting. I guess you could say that americana is like a fascimile of realness where balearica is like a photocopy of a photocopy on an order of infinite regress. Which I imagine is what siah is getting at when he commends the "honesty" of "yacht rock". It's the honesty of faking so real u are beyond fake.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 11:36 (sixteen years ago) link
what beardo's listen when it's raining and they can't get to the beach:
http://www.whiskeyexperience.co.nz/music/images/m/Martyn,%20John%20-%20Bless%20The%20Weather.jpg
― caek, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link
apostrophe catastrophe
― caek, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Haven't read this thread all the way through, but would "In The Skies" by Peter Green qualify?
― Discordian, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't want to come off all mike taylor about this, but let's try to keep one foot firmly rooted in reality. i've lived most of my life within sight of the ocean. in fact right now i live close enough that i can hear the waves on the beach. the "geographical literalist" argument makes no sense to me. practically nobody here listens to this kind of music. surfers listen to jam bands (like dave matthews, jack johnson or tortoise), indie rock (modest mouse, ratatat), rap music (conscious or not), new punk and AOR reggae (marley family offshoots). if they listen to 70s music its likely to be stones, sabbath or bowie rather than freak-folky obscurity.
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link
jokes bruv
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
lol tho vahid one of my posts above had "i should stop before vahid jumps on me for just making shit up" but i edited it out
i'm not trying to deny that it's interesting to try to sketch out an "imaginary genre" here but i just don't want anybody thinking that this is some sort of california cultural phenomenon or anything like that.
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link
back to suggestions
bobby brown's 'The Enlightening Beam Of Axonda'
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61GH2KN4C9L._SL500_AA240_.jpg
― jaxon, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link
OMG YES
i just bought the reissue on sundazed last week and i was thinking of adding it to this thread before i decided to rant
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
xxp i think ive made it clear that im not trying to account for anything outside of my head here; that the blog-ass ramblings above are mostly half-hearted attempts to articulate my own, uh, i dont know, like, 'spiritual' or 'psychic' relationship to this music and what it represents in terms of places that ive lived and visited.
that being said i do think that a sense of place, or lack thereof, is at stake in a big way w/r/t much of the music being discussed here--both on the strictly formal level insofar as a lot of it involves the wrangling of quite culturally/geographically specific musics and on the more, like, cultural level where its produced and received as a piece of the tropics, from or for or out of the beach.
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
xp actually it was on akarma, not sundazed.
though that's not really "beach party" in the sense of dancing around a bonfire ... it's more like the sound of hippies lying in the sand with their heads touching and their feet forming a star, watching for comets while frying.
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:22 (sixteen years ago) link
i dunno max, on one level what you're saying about geography makes perfect sense and i am sympathetic to it, on the other it sounds a bit like arguing that "music for airports" is actually about airports, or best understood in terms of thinking about airports. which it might be, come to think of it ...
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah i think the geographic thing makes perfect sense and if you are a cerebral music nerd living next to the ocean it makes sense that it informs your listening habits. that's speaking 100% from experience (i live a block away from the pacific next to some beaches that are naturally very intense and wild).
― tricky, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link
perhaps we can continue both the thought experiment and suggestions?
only because i am curious as to how both max and siah view this music or freedom of location/this sense of placelessness somehow correlates with a particular fantasy of wealth or upper class lifestyle. maybe this is the most truly American attribute to the contextualization of this music because unless i remember incorrectly, the balearic sound derives from the music played on the paradise-like balearic isles in the 1970s when they were inhabited by loads of hippies who did nothing but walk around nude all day and go to dance parties at night listening to this music. in this sense i think the music relates to the island paradise driven concept of escapism which now permeates many americans' fantasies of escaping (or maybe just me, siah, and max). that this music is somehow now contextualized as upper class though is interesting because at first i had trouble fitting the whole "hippie" label into this pseudo-genre which i, given my urban perspective on the music, took to be much more cosmopolitan. now i'm rambling as well...
for a suggestion, the new Woolfy vs. Projections album The Astral Projections Of Starlight is quite beautiful with beachy guitars and dreamy vocals but then again it fits into my more cosmopolitan version of a balearic beardo hippie beach canon
― Bomb Bomb Iran (san frandisco), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
One track has been posted to 20JFG here
http://www.20jazzfunkgreats.co.uk/wordpress/2008/10/15/a-post-so-smooth-it-could-be-made-of-baby-skin/#comments
― Bomb Bomb Iran (san frandisco), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link
balearic is kind of like rockism in that I have only seen those two godforsaken words on this webpage
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm kinda interested in the Scandinavian/Kraut/European side of this spectrum, esp. considering the fact that E2-E4 loosely fits this vibe (Gottsching was sooooo a hippie). There has to be more in this vein...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/87/258081144_081a7a6cf3.jpg?v=0
Plus, the whole Laurel Canyon-beach vibe you're going for just doesn't make sense to me. Guess I just don't see how the 'beachy' side fits in, especially in "If I Could Only Remember My Name," which has always been about the mountains for me (who cares what the cover looks like). I mean, maybe you're just looking for country-rock made by drug casualties of the '70s, but that starts to veer towards boogie-rock territory or loner-psych, which is way more 'beardo' than 'balearic'.
That being said, what do you think of Jim Ford in this context? Is he on the Americana side of the axis, even though he was notorious for coke-fueled yacht parties and could bust out some seriously funky grooves alongside the honky-tonk?
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Yxx2vqHKL._SL500_AA280_.jpg
― psychgawsple, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link
yacht rockism?
― Bomb Bomb Iran (san frandisco), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link
http://images.juno.co.uk/full/CS1360340-02A-BIG.jpg
― Bomb Bomb Iran (san frandisco), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Jim Ford is certainly hard to pin down...I always saw him as more C & W than R & B...he was a notoriously violent drunk, which I always thought explained his predilection toward honky-tonk...he also always claimed to be the true author of "Ode To Billy Joe"...
― henry s, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:00 (sixteen years ago) link
re jim ford: hmmm, don't know if he fits, the funkier tunes maybe get close??some great tunes on that either wayxpost
― velko, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Some more suggestions, possibly slightly too Dad Rock, maybe not beachy enough.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515BhRBIt%2BL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
http://www.musicdirect.com/shared/images/products/large/crhi78274-2.jpg
And no I'm really not kidding about that Doobie album, its basically Gaucho with Michael McDonald singing.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
i love that little feat album
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
And this is for Tim as He's looking for stuff in the Santana line of thinking.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41VAFDS0RVL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
http://www.zshare.net/audio/501517708612833b/
Gypsy - Gypsy Queen Pt. 1
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Max you're totally right about Shawn Phillips BTW. So much of his stuff would fit on this thread.
Let me dig around a bit.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
hey what about that mike simonetti "balearic sabbath" mix from earlier this year? all 70s shit i believe.
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
get it here: http://www.allez-allez.co.uk/2007/08/mike-simonetti.html
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
i guess that runs a little more toward r&b than it does toward the kind of americana stuff thats popping up here (despite opening w/ buckingham/nicks) but its a spiritual cousin!
― max, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
And a lot of the stuff that Jaxon mentioned has been included in Kosmiche Kid's Cosmic Dancing Mixes.
http://www.djhistory.com/forum/showthread.php?p=308560
Which I was completely unaware of until this thread, thanks Jaxon for inspiring the google.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link
the idea is that there definitely seems to be a loose canon emerging which stretches from David Crosby (but perhaps not CS&N per se) through to say Arthur Russell.
wrong. check out Dark Star
― jaxon, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:05 (sixteen years ago) link
as far as santana, some of his beardier releases are Welcome (produced by alice coltrane and leon thomas on vocals)
http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/images/amg_covers/200/dre800/e876/e8769171tkg.jpg
and Love Devotion Surrender with john mclaughlin and is a tribute to john coltrane (so heavy and sooo sooo soo beautiful)
http://www.jazz.com/assets/2008/1/26/albumcoverJohnMcLaughlin-CarlosSantana-LoveDevotionSurrender.jpg
― jaxon, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:07 (sixteen years ago) link
― jaxon, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:09 (sixteen years ago) link
lol at cosmology at 1:00 in dark star video
― caek, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Just thinking about San Frandisco's question.
I suppose I see Yacht Rock as upper class because that was its image I guess, rock stars sailing out to international waters to have parties. And as poor as I am the Balearic islands might as well be on Mars. I've never been to Europe and unless the factory I work at suddenly gives me a 6 dollar an hour raise I very likely will never go there. Cheap dollar bin records (or very obscure psych ones) are a readily accessible commodity where yachts and international vacations are out of reach.
Rural america on the other hand is something I have a far too intimate a knowledge of to think of as escapist. A couple of years in the country gave me a great Southern rock collection, but it almost drove me out of my mind. I've got no desire to go back to living with ex Meth addicts so that I can round out my Americana collection.
Here's some Shawn Phillips.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/50154308677b8d28/
For a folkie, he sure brought the funk sometimes.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link
the shawn phillips album Spaced is a bunch of his outtakes that are all jazz funked out. tons of rhodes and breaks. even has a dj shadow sample on it
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7859/o68602dl2.jpg
― jaxon, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Sounds tasty.
Someone needs to do a Venn diagram so I know how this all fits in with rare groove, acid jazz, etc.
For example, is the Azymuth album Balearic?
Is it Rare Groove? Is it Cosmic Disco?
I guess its definitely not hippie Beardo, but it fits in a lot of these categories.
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Oops misspelled that, I meant the Azimuth album. Not the stuff that they did as Azymuth.
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000KB1Y1S.01-A3HKN0V35GPHDY._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V37305148_.jpg
― Siah Alan, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link