Rolling Country 2006 Thread

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Also, I should note that I *always* have a tendency to distrust songs where people say "you have to know the backstory to get it." (Which is right up in my book there with publicists telling me "the album won't seem so lame when you see the band live.") When the song will kick in for me, if it does, is when I *separate* it from the backstory. But I'm still not saying I was hoping that I was hoping Natalie'd come up with a "Positively Fourth Street." Or maybe I was (and maybe this is one, and I just haven't figured that out yet).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 11:49 (twenty years ago)

i dont think its as hard or as obvious as the last one, but i dont think its pulling punches either, i think that the shut up and sing is very explicit, not only dealing with the maines mess, but in the sense of a general belief that musicians are organ monkies and the audience is the grinder--its a fuck you not to country radio (alot of which in the south banned them, and some of which hired a steam roller, like it was porn or made a bonfire of the vanities as a stunt) but as a fuck you to the audience who expects somgs that are apolitical, that are about something.

travelling soilder is about the gulf, but its coded in veitnam, the video for this one, with oil making white dresses and clean water filthy beyond repair, is uncoded, it reminds me of macbeth, you know out out damn spot...

it is a refutation of the violence done to them, the whole album is a refutation of the violence done to them, and also as their status as thinking femminists, like loretta ca the pill or rated x (though its less polemic even then those two songs)

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Well, people are still arguing over what/who Dylan is singing about in Positively 4th St. and that's hardly a bad thing. I mean I'm glad the song isn't any more direct than it is, and I think it's plenty direct. OK, it's not "Goodbye Earl," but still...And the backstory isn't a backstory at all. It was gigantic front page news.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:45 (twenty years ago)

I swear I never knew there was a death threat until last week, when I read Pareles's Times profile. If that part of the story had been front page news, I hadn't noticed. But then I tend not to devour news about celebrities, which might well make me a weirdo, somehow. (Also, isn't "Positively Fourth Street" about some guy at *Sing Out!*? I had no idea there was still disagreement about that. My point I guess, or part of it, is that the song sounded ferocious to me long before I knew it had anything specific to do with Dylan's career.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:58 (twenty years ago)

'cover of time magazine' is a bit too far outside the rockcrit tailchase echo chamber for frank and xhuxkx maybe. one thing i'm surprised somewhat by considering they knew (obv) about country radio resistance ('not ready to make up' is clearly a 'you can't fire me/i quit' preemptive - rimshot - move), and that this was their rock move (after their last album decried rock moves) to the extent that they 'do you see' hired rick rubin and the early word that it had an 'eagles feel' is that the album feels the least crossover potential of any of them, probably a result of the biggest 'rock move' on it - they write their own songs (the worst rock move of all!), ergo the hooks ain't as sharp (ie. yeah there's no 'goodbye earl' which delivers it's punch harder with more humour - duh - but more venom too than). in any case number one album in the country, this week at least.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Oh, i saw the Time cover, duh. It was probably the thinnest issue of Time i've ever seen in my life -- how come nobody's talked about that? Didn't read the article, though; waiting for it to hit the dentist's or allergist's office, like I always do with newsmagazines.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)

the death threat was mentioned in the ew article, and i think a ny times story, and had extensive coverage in rednex/bluenex

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:40 (twenty years ago)

I swear I never knew there was a death threat until last week

It was on 60 Minutes. It was in the LA Times. It was in the NY Times. It was in TIME. Enough, already. They cannily used it as part of their promotional operation and it wound up being overdone, as usual. You could use Lex-Nex and I'm betting you'd find it in every feature on them in the western press.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

there were several actually, why is this kind of violent silencing not important, shouldnt it be discussed all over the place?

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Roy K: ""Not Read to Make Nice" debuted real strong but the single and the album seem to have fallen off--and hard."

.....

AP: "Taking The Long Way debuts at #1 on the Billboard Top 200 best-selling albums chart this week, with first week's sales of 525,829."

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:27 (twenty years ago)

I meant on radio, not so psychic friend.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:03 (twenty years ago)

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What kind of silencing? The Dixie Chicks have no trouble getting sympathetic publicity. It's been simple for them to get whatever they'd like to say into the press. Unfortunately, whether on purpose by them or by accident due to the professional practice of the media, it's deadening.

Being menaced or threatened for speaking your mind in public or being thought of as unpatriotic isn't particularly novel or unique, even for celebrities.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:17 (twenty years ago)

Being menaced or threatened for speaking your mind in public or being thought of as unpatriotic isn't particularly novel or unique, even for celebrities.

Yeah, but what other artists (besides maybe Linda Ronstadt) have been as publicly jeered, insulted and threatened as the Dixie Chicks? Just because they have "sympathetic publicity" in the Times and The New Yorker doesn't mean those threats were any less serious or sad.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:37 (twenty years ago)

they aint getting sympathy from the usual sources---death threats, threats of ciolence, cancelling tours, not playing records, putting the records in fires and under steam rollers, prominent members (mostly men) of the community telling the chix that they are no longer country (though not always, and its still present--look at the joke reba made at the acm)

the only reason why the chix are pitching this as A/A or whatever is that they are exiled by the political elite in nashville.

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

chix have had their toe in the aaa pool for a long time now anthony, this probably sealed it. i think there may have been potential for reconciliation there if they'd come back with undeniable hooks and straight nashville, a big unbeatable ballad instead of spending alot of the past few years trashing country radio and audiences (i know someone who 'stood by' the chix, saw them in greenville after the brouhaha (? i think - i knew she went to south carolina) and then got offended and wrote them off well after the fact over remarks natalie made re: the country audience. again i think it was preemptive 'you can't fire me, i quit' move, but burning bridges like that erases some opportunities. and again - does anyone know the second single? the first had to arguably address 'the incident' (it's basically their eminem move) but what's next determines their future and their future with country.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:48 (twenty years ago)

again i think it was preemptive 'you can't fire me, i quit' move, but burning bridges like that erases some opportunities.

As well as reinforcing a "country fans=idiot rednecks" stereotype.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)

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The Beatles after John Lennon said the Jesus thing.

I guess I'm missing what it takes to work up the empathetic sympathy after the press blitz. For better or worse, it's been converted into a sales pitch.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

yeah removing the politix (which is removing ALOT admittedly) the chix imbroglio smacks of some other crossover blowbacks wherein act who came up thru country has some pop success, wants more and is perceived to decide they don't need country or want country (this happened to shania with the added bonus there that people always griped about her pop loyalties from the getgo)(the same way many people suddenly started mentioning alot how natalie was always a rock fan anyways)(faith got a little of this but overcame it by 1) running back to country when the pop move didn't pay off completely and 2) being alot closer to country royalty status than natalie or shania)(note also toby keith's always making a big deal about how he's a huge selling country artist with no crossover or pop loyalties), the politix obv was the primary factor but an element of 'they've gotten too big for their britches/gone hollywood' played a part too i think.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:59 (twenty years ago)

'And much of the backstage and post-event party buzz had to do with some barbs exchanged in recent days between ACMs host Reba McEntire and the Dixie Chicks. The latter group wasn't anywhere within a 500-mile radius of the Las Vegas kudocast, of course, being caught up in a mutual estrangement from the country industry. But Chicks fiddler Martie Maguire was quoted in this week's Time cover story as saying: ''I'd rather have a smaller following of really cool people who get it, who will grow with us as we grow and are fans for life, than people that have us in their five-disc changer with Reba McEntire and Toby Keith. We don't want those kinds of fans. They limit what you can do.'' It's one thing to take on contentious Toby, but to go after country royalty (and big TV star) Reba — and her fans? McEntire got a dig back during the show, alluding to the fact that she'd taken the year off from hosting last year in saying, ''I don't know why I was so nervous about hosting this show this year. If the Dixie Chicks can sing with their [foot] in their mouths, surely I can host this sucker.'' The applause among the fan-dominated audience at the MGM Grand Garden arena was sustained and massive.'

What a sneer by Martie. Limit what you can do? At the height of Garthmania, Mr. Brooks dropped 'We Shall Be Free' on his Wal-Mart shopping fanbase. When was the last time a hugely successful artist openly dismissed the majority of their fans as beneath them and embarrassingly uncool? Martie's limit comments sound more like when an indie rocker says 'We would never want to get too big'. They probably really do but know they wouldn't sell anyway even if they tried. Dixie Chicks already have what everyone strives for but seem especially unappreciative of success. Their extreme audience makeover seems to be working. Check this out:

[Amazon] Customers who bought {Taking The Long Way] also bought
Home ~ Dixie Chicks
We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions ~ Bruce Springsteen
All the Roadrunning ~ Mark Knopfler and Emmylou Harris
Living With War ~ Neil Young
Surprise ~ Paul Simon
Goodbye Alice in Wonderland ~ Jewel
Wide Open Spaces ~ Dixie Chicks
Stand Still, Look Pretty ~ The Wreckers

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:53 (twenty years ago)

i'm just happy gary louris is getting paid!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:53 (twenty years ago)

>yeah removing the politix (which is removing ALOT admittedly) the chix imbroglio smacks of some other crossover blowbacks wherein act who came up thru country has some pop success, <

Well, one obvious precedent is k.d. lang, isn't it? Didn't country stations boycott her since she wasn't friendly enough withe beef-farming industry (she had beef with big beef!), or is that only a myth? and i'm not sure about lyle lovett, mary-chapin carpenter, or (maybe even politix-wise) steve earle, all of whom had country hits in the late '80s/early '90s i believe. obviously country radio is always redefining itself; were any of them blackballed, per se? (and for that matter, how often does garth, even, get on country radio these days? hell, maybe even billy ray cyrus is worth a mention...)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:05 (twenty years ago)

supposedly some country stations did boycott her during her beef beef but to be honest how would you tell? it'd be like 'hip-hop stations boycott stephin merritt' - what else is new? garth you still hear on radio some, "the dance" will never ever ever go away (ppl die all the time) but i heard his "callin baton rouge" cover a while back, always liked that. and "friends in low places" is like "stairway" or something by this point obv. yknow i never heard of faith or tim catching even one ounce of flack over their (much more hitting really) blasting of bush a little while back and little e's comments certainly didn't hurt him, so while i think at one point it was definitely the politix at this point it's become the other stuff and how poorly they've handled it. still sympathize with them alot obv.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:14 (twenty years ago)

Bold beginnings
Advocate, The
Nov 12, 2002 by Dan Mathews
k.d. lang's journey to coming out as a lesbian actually began in June 1990, when she came out as a vegetarian in a "Meat Stinks' TV spot produced by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. "If you knew how meat was made, you'd lose your lunch," lang said in the ad, in which she hugs a cow named Lulu. "I know--I'm from cattle country, and that's why I became a vegetarian."

News of the campaign prompted country radio to ban lang's records, and pro-veg activists countered with protests outside beef-belt radio stations and pro-lang pleas by veggie rockers Paul McCartney and Chrissie Hynde. To the amazement of Warner Bros. Records, lang's album sales skyrocketed--the flap had brought her music to the attention of a broader crowd.

Events got out of hand, however, when meat extremists defaced a sign outside Consort, Canada, welcoming visitors to the HOMETOWN OF K.D. LANG by scrawling "Eat beef, dyke" and making threats against lang's mother. That surreal summer inspired k.d. to "move on" from country music, recording Ingenue and scoring her biggest hit, "Constant Craving."

Without the confines of the country market, lang was also able to come out as gay. Country music, she told Rolling Stone in 1992, "didn't want to accept my viewpoints: vegetarianism, lesbianism, things that don't suit the stereotypical role of the female.... Looking back, it was perfect. I had success, like the Grammy, and yet never had airplay, so you had this huge contradiction--which I thrive on."

As much as I hate the "country fan=bigoted redneck" stereotype, a lot of the big country stations don't really help themselves out much with the stunts they pull.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:17 (twenty years ago)

>supposedly some country stations did boycott her during her beef beef but to be honest how would you tell? it'd be like 'hip-hop stations boycott stephin merritt' <

was it?? i thought she actually had country hits. (i'm no fan, have never liked her much, but i was definitely under that impression.)

AMG says she did okay on the country *charts*; not sure if said charts were more aligned with radio in the pre-soundscan age or not:

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:8uq6g40ttvoz~T5

xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:18 (twenty years ago)

so while i think at one point it was definitely the politix at this point it's become the other stuff and how poorly they've handled it

Someone--it might have been Kelefa Sanneh--pointed out that part of the problem with Natalie's statment was that it could be misconstrued as being insulting to Texas, which, it was thought, was much more grievous an insult.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:20 (twenty years ago)

when i was in jr high and thru high school every girl i knew who listened to country owned shadowland (and revered it) so i might be underestimating how big k.d. lang really was on country radio at the time.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 23:26 (twenty years ago)

Yas, Kelefah's finally catching up with meee, since I made the same point( about Maines's "treasonous" remarks about Texas Itself), a couple years ago, in "That Home Across The Road," re country transgressors archived in http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com Which also relates to the identity crisis chronic/recurring in country, and the family feud the Time piece speculates about. The song and the video are not ready to make nice, just like the title says; not so vague. A big fat Fuck Yall If You Don't Like It, and that's as country as Toby Keith, and it's not "idiot rednecks" that she says are "limiting," it's the willfully/not-fighting-the-conditioned-reflex kneejerks ("My Mama raised me to think like that!" Well Hoss, you do a lot of *other* thangs your Mama dint allow; how bout includin' some honest reflection/observation) There have been other Music Row pros who have spoken out against the war, all along, but the Chicks were noticed and picked because they were so prominent. Celebreties are the true strawmen, ever since the war, especially: safe to pick on the rich pictureheads, especially if they're female (Streisand, yeah, Hillary, and Coulter for the liberals) duhhhhhhh. (Their current #1's on Billboard's Country and transgenre Top 200 are based on sales, not airplay.)Didn't realize that Livinginstereo was Cantwell's site; anyway, think he's sidetracked by specifics of my example, so I've tried to address those, but ain't gonna feud. Gotta piece about Chatham County Line, a bluegrass band that's actually a good song band, in http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/content?oid=oid%3A40857

don, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:17 (twenty years ago)

Natalie and the wagon train pulling into Larry King live now. Uncle Larry pitching softballs, "Not Ready to Make Nice" playing at every commercial break. The same shtick. Uncle Larry announces album at number one in Billboard. The two not-Natalies professing wide-eyed surprise that after "the incident" they found they still lived in a country where people were going to hate on them for what Natalie said. The surprise, the utter surprise of the hatred. Boy, those e-mails called us sluts, said one of them. The tour was sold out.

That's their script and they're sticking to it.

Here's their first hit, says Uncle Larry. "Wide o-pen spaces...." Commercial.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

(Liz Taylor ready to kick Larry's ass last night, for thinking she was peddling "coss-tooom!?" jewelry, but fightin' got 'em flirtin')But yeah George, a ton 'o' hype, and, like Blunt, I'm wondering what they'll do for an encore, singles-wise (prob something quiet, if ominous, for somewhut dramatic contrast)

don, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:25 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I was hated upon fluently via e-mail for "Weapon of the Week" and another accidentally convenient prominent thing I did and I'm a nobody. After the first 50 or so in a few minutes the novelty wears off and then you store them. They come in handy when you want to tell a funny story and invoke Mencken. Me so stupid, I couldn't think of how to parlay it into anything.

"It's all about not tolerating abuse," said Natalie to Uncle Larry. Go Natalie, you were born middle finger first. Cue song, and commercial.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:29 (twenty years ago)

Now they're taking calls. Some woman wanted to know about the Reba tiff. One of the not-Natalies says it was personally hurtful, or something like that.

Someone called in from Hattiesburg to say she is still a fan. Going to commercial again, gut showcase for album, better than a listening station almost.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:40 (twenty years ago)

"You had the courage to speak the truth," says one caller from Colorado. Doesn't it give you a warm fuzzy feeling about half or a third or something of the country is behind you? Nice feelings all around.

But then -- slight glitch like Queeg on the stand at the climax of the Caine mutiny, the steel bearings come out of the pocket -- one of the not-Natalies still can't get over being called a slut.

Now there's a caller insisting Donald Rumsfeld is a coward and what do Natalie and not-Natalies think of him. Sidestep. "We have a story and we're sticking to it," says one of them. How true. Everybody laughs.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:49 (twenty years ago)

Now Natalie says the Chicks will play in Iraq for the sojers if someone asks them to.

A caller from Canada calls in to thank the Chicks on behalf of ... Canada!

Song and commercial. Sheesh, these breaks are coming somewhat less than five minutes apart!

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:55 (twenty years ago)

"In the la--a-a-a-a-nd of the free and the h-o-o-m-e of - the - brayyyyve" -- that was the Chicks at the Super Bowl three years ago or something. Some small talk. The tour is coming. Great product placement. Over to Anderson.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:00 (twenty years ago)

the dixie chix are interesting, because it lets us figure out what happens at the edges of country, esp. in relation to gender or race--its why cowboy troy didnt sell, why big and rich are mainstreaming, why reba felt like she could be nasty...

country has always been parochial, and always had a colony outside--we know whats happening in nashville, but whos outside is fascinatingly unstable right now

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:00 (twenty years ago)

You lost me there, Anthony. What do the Dixie Chicks have to do with race again? (And how is country music outside Nashville--or inside Nasvhille, for that matter--any less stable than it's ever been?) (Also, I'd say there are plenty of reasons Cowboy Troy didn't sell, and race wouldn't necessarily be on the top of the list. And I say that as somebody who actually thought his album was kind of fun, and somebody who is somewhat obsessed by country music made by black people, as this thread out to make abundantly clear. If anything, Cowboy Troy's race probably helped him more than it hurt him. How many white rappers have received CMT airplay at all? I don't think Kid Rock counts, since his country hits haven't had any rap in them.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:08 (twenty years ago)

"OUGHT to make abundantly clear." Jeez.

And I mistype "Nashville" almost as much as I mistype "Christgau." (I just mistyped both words again JUST NOW, then corrected them.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:10 (twenty years ago)

im saying that the gender of the dixie chicks have something similar to the race of cowboy true

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 1 June 2006 01:30 (twenty years ago)

the cowboy troy sold pretty well i thought, i remember it was consistently on 'the chart' at the wal-mart though i didn't hear it on the radio much, esp in comparison to sales. radio has to play to a more casual crowd though. as for white rappers on cmt didn't bocephus or someone remake 'amos moses' a lil while back? and pretty sure i've seen charlie daniels on there. "the race of cowboy true" sounds like a kenny rogers comeback hit maybe, one when he's not in 'lionel' mode like that kid playing little league one a few years back.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 1 June 2006 02:12 (twenty years ago)

This is my first time trying to contribute to this thing, so I don't know if it'll work. Anyway, somebody asked what the Chicks' second single is. It's "Everybody Knows," currently getting a lot of airplay here on KZLA in L.A. and almost nowhere else. It is already sliding down the Billboard country chart, somewhere in the 50s, after peaking a week or two ago. If they had come out with that first, instead of daring country radio to play the F-you song, it'd likely be a different story.

Chris Willman, Thursday, 1 June 2006 05:07 (twenty years ago)

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I wish the Dixie Chicks had attacked the country audience and the industry more - more vehemently, more specifically, more articulately - and I could list a whole bunch of things I wish they'd said, but big deal, it wouldn't surprise you what I have to say on the subject. But I asked a question upthread that's a lot more interesting to me, because I don't know the answer and some of you might have a better feel for it than I do. The question is this:

Was part of the Chicks' broad appeal from the get-go - I mean, not from the get-go get-go, but from when they sacked Laura in favor of Natalie and went major label - that they didn't quite seem country, that they represented something more edgy and glamorous? And might not a mainstream country fan be excited by this difference and simultaneously wary of their going too far? So what excites the fan is also what primes the fan to turn on the Chicks; the fan is looking for and expecting the Chicks to eventually just be too different, so the fan is waiting for the Chicks to reveal themselves as "not one of us."

Is there anything to this?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 06:06 (twenty years ago)

this artsy video style (reminds me of supposedly great but actually irritating old '90s ones by Pearl Jam and R.E.M. as well

The "Not Ready To Make Nice" video owes a lot to the "Losing My Religion" video, I think.

John Hunter, Thursday, 1 June 2006 06:31 (twenty years ago)

'that they didn't quite seem country [I would think they were seen as MORE 'pure country' than a lot of 1998 acts, e.g., Shania], that they represented something more edgy and glamorous [visually appealing, absolutely, but not threateningly glamorous; spunky maybe, but not a threat], no? And might not a mainstream country fan be excited by this difference and simultaneously wary of their going too far [Going too far in what way? Crossing over musically? I think the fan is long used to those ambitions from female superstars. I really doubt there was much wariness of any kind.] So what excites the fan is also what primes the fan to turn on the Chicks; the fan is looking for and expecting the Chicks to eventually just be too different, so the fan is waiting for the Chicks to reveal themselves as "not one of us." [I think Natalie has always said she was not a big country fan growing up and no one seemed to care. If you mean not one of us politically or patriotically, I don't think that was foreseen.]

Sure they had an image makeover, but I think the broad appeal from from the Natalie get go is Natalie's voice. She just has an appealing voice. I really don't see any clues from the material of mass success OR future controversy although maybe a Bonnie Raitt cover says something. Bonnie is one of the queens of the nebulous audience they now seem to covet. I think turning on them is entirely from what Natalie said and they continue to say and not from their music. With sexism not helping of course. Martie only wants people who 'get it'. What was there to get? Anyone could get their music and they obviously did. And now no one can get their new video and I bet that makes them happy because they obviously want to be taken seriously. I'm happy to take them seriously as people but if they get too serious in their art that might not be such a good thing.

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Thursday, 1 June 2006 08:11 (twenty years ago)

Is there anything to this?

Not anymore or at least right now. Larry King/The Chicks were mind-numbing. If you were thinking of buying the CD, I certainly didn't have to after sitting through an hour of them. Wrote up what I scribbled on here while watching, added some more jokes and threw it on the blog.

I'm can't take them seriously since they're so obviously executing a script. Everytime I hear their music, the current shtick is superimposed on it.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:59 (twenty years ago)

But George, it seems like you're blaming the Chicks entirely, as though Natalie's Bush dig was a calculated PR move to hit up the AA audience and ditch Country radio. Maybe I'm misreading you, but if the Chick have really lost a significant country audience--which I can't say I've necessarily seen evidence for--it's as much the response of country radio and Toby Keith as it is any "script" they're "executing."

max (maxreax), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:03 (twenty years ago)

I gotta go get the latest N-ville Scene, because there are some upset folks writing letters there about Michael McCall's Dixie Chix piece. I'll post that in a few. For me, the Chix were always all about being "real musicians," like when you saw them they were playing the banjo and so forth, and they seemed sort of cooly inbetween "amateur" i.e. "they're just chicks but they actually play!!" and professional (a certain kind of sexiness, glamour, as is pointed out above, not that I actually find them sexy too much myself, but I'm sure many do). I don't see that they have all that much to do with "race," in fact I don't really see how much Nashville itself, as a concept and as a city, has to do with it.

Has anyone checked sales figures for the new Chix? How much of their audience have they lost, I wonder, and shit, seems like they might've gained some? And yeah, they often sound like they're reading off a script, they all do it here.

So, came away from Blaine Larsen's new "Rockin' You Tonight" feeling some of the fun had been sucked out of the enterprise. Boy, I had forgotten just how spare, humorous and subtly subversive that first record of his was. Because it was a series of demos (one of them is actually Larsen in his barn overdubbing himself), it just sounds fresher than the new one. Which interconnects, thematically, with the first one, in interesting ways. But the opener, the hit "I Don't Know What She Said," is far less interesting than "Off to Join"'s "I've Been in Mexico" (where the point of the song is that he's taken a vacation down there, has come back to work relaxed, and therefore isn't a stressed-out mess like his boss--therefore, this song works into his theme of "becoming a man" while playing off his young-man's slight, slight, sane rebellion).

And the same pretty much goes for the whole thing. "I'm in Love with a Married Woman" and "Spoken Like a Man" work as a pairing on marriage, what it means to be a "real man" and be in a good marriage; but "I'm in Love" is a lame-ass joke. "Spoken" is far better; what Blaine is good at is playing it cool, letting his fucking great voice carry it, as on this tale of a guy who refuses to discuss his fucking with the other guys, admires the good-lookin' Coyote wannabe at the bar but who, like the young Vito Corleone in "Godfather 2," only has eyes for his wife. Very good song.

"Someone Is Me" is one of those let's-pick-up-our-trash and tip-waitresses-well songs that substitue individual action for political action, right? Blaine is looked at funny when he prays at a diner on some mythical Main Street, and sees weeds choking the ol' baseball field. So, someone is me, let's go cut weeds and make the world better. I mean, I pick up trash and I tip good, but you need an army of similar-minded people to turn the world around. This kind of thing wastes his talent.

"Lips of a Bottle" is really good, though, a 6/8 ballad that uses those cool false endings, kinda greasy or at least stained, a classic country song. And a duet with Gretchen, and shit, Blaine should become like one of those eternal duet guys, get some Melba Montgomery-soundalike, or do like George and just marry Gretchen Wilson or something.

"I Don't Wanna Work That Hard" is analagous to the first record's "Yessireebob," about playing it cool and wanting to transcend class by getting a job that doesn't require too much ass-kissing, one that (as in "Yessiree") might involve a little towel-holding for a half-naked girl on the Cozumel beach. These are interesting songs that get at class in real interesting ways. And careerism, and how to become a "man" if you will...in short, this guy, to my ears, really has talent and could be a major figure, because he's got a fantastic voice with real shadings and nuance, but this standard-issue Nashville songwriting only halfway gets him there.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:10 (twenty years ago)

I thought Natalie Maines was sexy when she weighed more. Now that she's a hot and edgy woman who dresses in black, eh.

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I'm assuming, too, that Cowboy Troy's co-hosting of the amateur pro country singer talent search didn't help him saleswise. I didn't watch all of it but I never heard them play his music. They did play
Big & Rich's and the commercial featuring "Coming To Your City" ran all the time.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 14:36 (twenty years ago)

"How is oountry less stable" I see/hear (music, online, call-ins to radio shows) fans arguing with themselves, basically, re How Dare You (I) say anything so negative, no matter how fucked up (War, Katrina, affordable health care, etc etc)True,the identity crisis/comflict is ongoing, as I mentioned before, but at the moment, and for the past couple of years, especially. (Despite the fact that, as Frank suspects, I did hear some folks say that Chicks had long been a joke in Nashville before Natalie, and they were bound to fuck up again, to prove they were girlybrained outsiders, though this of course isn't nec a matter of just waiting for them to Go Too Far, but xpost the celebrity strawman thing, that certainly applies to culture police of country, as elsewhere) "Anybody seen current Chicks sales figures" Today, a Reuters report by Dean Goodman ("Dixie Chicks Bush-whacked at record stores) says, yes, they're "No. 1 on the U.S. charts Wednesday with their first studio album since then, but sales were sharply lower. Taking The Long Way sold 525,000 copies in the week ended May 28, according to tracking firm Nielsen SoundScan. The figure ranks as one of the biggest openings of the year, and exceeds industry expectations by more than 100,000 copies. But it plaed against the 780,000 copies that their last studio releasse, Home, sold during its first week in August 2002. It spent three weeks at No. 1, and has sold 5.8 copies to date. In April another country trio, Rascal Flatts, opened at No. 1 with 722,000 copies of its new album. The lower sales for the new Dixie Chicks album were not unexpected (but remember, he said they were expected to sell 100,000 less than they have)...new single has stalled at No. 36 on Billboard's Hot Country chart."(surprised got that far) So, a *soft* No.1. (hey xxhuxx, I sent you their publicist addy last night; mebbe our promos'll turn up,now that the album's out)Meanwhile, nothing I'd read about Oakley Hall really gave me the impression I got from listening:"country rock," okay, but not the usual execution: right away, the "Mr. Soul" guitar bursts extended into good electrified fence, all along the range, uphill and down (good dynamics); with fe vocals becoming more prominent, then she sings lead, with (also) pysch-associated organ; "House Carpenter," like Fairport, a bit, except just when I expected the guitars to come back(cued by "These hills are hellfire"), like with a buckskin raga? No BAM it's the drums BAM at the door

don, Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand the necessity of sympathy for an act that debuts at #1 and only sells over half a million records in a week. Hey, maybe Natalie can right a tour column for the Nation or the Huffington Post.

Leanne Kingwell, on the other hand, sent me mail that indicates her ballad "More" was number 7 on the US college chart.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

shit, they've sold a lotta records, seems like to me. the chix.

so, in the N-ville Scene this week, letters, jeff pitcher writes that michael mccall shares a sentiment with one of those right-wing am-radio guys who lambasted the chix for their failure to appreciate how hard he was trying to forgive them. pitcher says "I never liked them--I thought they were this decade's Mary Chapin Carpenter (huh? is that a good analogy?). Despite substantial presence, skill and talent, I found them a tokenit, fake-edgy act allowed into the mix to 'prove' that country's power brokers really don't regulate the content's POV as rigidly as they in fact do...'Earl' was a phony-assed piece of cutesy crap that reeked of being written on a computer in Green Hills (upper-middle class mall-land of SW Nashville)....I deeply respect these gals (gals) for publicly refusing to make nice with the troglodytes who crushed their CDs with tractors in a bizarre Dogpatch-Jesus-hadi version of an Islamist bookburning. I don't even care if the record's any good." He then closes by saying that if mccall had had his writings burned as have the chix, mccall'd see why the chix should not back down.

reading mccall's piece again, I see that he's just accusing them of being sick of america's heartland and the people who burn their records, and that seems pretty reasonable to me, since i live amongst many people who would burn a chix record or tell me i need to support the troops and so forth. he says the record's too slow, not rowdy enough. they've written almost all the songs themselves this time, they worked with sheryl crow, gary louris, benmont tench. there's nothing that suggest mccall isn't sympathetic, he basically says the record's a drag that seems stuck in therpeutic-angry mode. "The trio don't seem able to let go of a particular harsh, life-changing episode." the photo caption is kind of simplistic: "they may have gotten a bum rap, but the Dixie Chicks need to get over it." Get over it, Chix. maybe it's just that time of the month...

I dunno, the exchange is so typical, a fan who is too hip to think about the music too much and sees it all as a Screwing the Man anti-Music Row situation, the Chix too dumb to realize they're just being used, such an us-vs.-them situation and then total overreaction to a review that may or may not work but which just basically says, this record's not much fun, it lectures and it's a bad media event, a real let-down. And so, perhaps, it's 'cause no one in Nashville ever has a sense of humor, I mean why couldn't the Chix have made a funny album about the whole thing, just blow it up and revel in it? Obviously, they're right about Bush.

But of course, that's never gonna happen, the Chix are going to do a song about their grandmother who has Alzheimer's. the more I think about all this, the more I realize they're probably walking around scared all the time, worried some nut is going to jump out from around the corner. I would, most likely.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)


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