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"whither?!?!? =("

Vahid I just sent it today!!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 28 April 2006 21:54 (twenty years ago)

http://profile.myspace.com/dubstepheadhunter

Technical Itch sticks his oar in with 'Implant', which is great. been a fan for ages and this is a nice mix of the dubstep thing and his old style (deep bass, menacing vocal sample, trademark acid wibbling). other side not bad either.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

wow! tech itch is back!

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:52 (twenty years ago)

i wanted to start a thread on tech itch (and source direct and so on) and that point in 97 when tech itch was making tracks that were so slow and rigid and square that they were practically experimental techno (almost like black country techno but with a less annoys / more acrid sound palette)

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:54 (twenty years ago)

> wow! tech itch is back!

did he ever go away? 8)

actually, this week there are 3 new Tech Itch related 12"s available for download from tunetribe - a new Tech Itch (the label) release (EBK & Danny Holdtight, TI047), a new Penetration release (TI himself, TIP021) and the Ascension 001 split 12" thing (above) which is him and Headhunter. i make that 7 releases so far this year, with probably only the Implant thing actually on topic here... 8)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

where can i preview burial's new album?

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)

there's some tracks on Boomkat, and a Breezeblock mix somewhere online...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

url for that breezeblock mix (on barefiles) somewhere on this page - http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/features/themonthin/grime/05-10-06.shtml

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Dunno. just listened to Dubstep Allstars Vol. 3 and I find Spacecape to be way too present. Not quite congruent with the mix below.

Crocus Behemoth (modern dance), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Is the Burial album out yet?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Nope. Out Monday. Sound samples at the bottom of this page...

http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_blackdownsoundboy_archive.html#114298266029581805

Label page here...

http://www.hyperdub.net/burial.html

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:09 (twenty years ago)

> Dunno. just listened to Dubstep Allstars Vol. 3 and I find Spacecape to be way too present. Not quite congruent with the mix below.

i thought the exact same thing - it's like an audio book at times 8) and the 30 tracks under the vocals, you can't distinguish one from the other. nice that he launches into Ghost Town for a while there though.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 11 May 2006 07:59 (twenty years ago)

Really really good Maxximus dubstep/grime/jungle/Rhythm & Sound goodness mix here:

http://www.voco-me.de/exchange/mix/dj_maxximus-blackboard_jungle_(24-02-06)_radio_fritz.mp3

Thank you Earplug for pointing it out!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 13 May 2006 23:09 (twenty years ago)

HOLY SHIT

BURIAL sounds just like ... wait for it ... URBAN TRIBE!

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Sunday, 14 May 2006 00:47 (twenty years ago)

thanks for the kind words about our Heavy Meckle CD, vol 2 is in the works and will feature a few dubstep tunes as well. Sheen and I have recently gotten heavily into that side of things due to the many good nights getting put on here in Berlin. Everyone still unsure, the best way to find out is go to FWD or any other night you can get to and hear the engulfing, chest rattling, bowel churning sub bass. It's a very unique and pleasant experience (if you like bass).

Matt Shiznaiza, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 14:58 (twenty years ago)

That Pitchfork idea that Burial is somehow a ceremony of solemnity for the fallen career of Omni Trio...VERY FUNNY! The Breezeblock mix suits the description, though.

I'm looking for more Loefah mixes, the squishy darkness is great.

Scorn - Welcome to Birmingham presaging all this five years ago: Obvious or Unrecognized?

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:00 (twenty years ago)

TAKING SIDES: kode 9 + spaceape "dubstep allstars vol 3" vs rockers hi-fi "dj kicks"

TOO BLACK! TOO STRONG!

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 13:46 (twenty years ago)

BURIAL sounds just like ... wait for it ... URBAN TRIBE!

Yeah -- Social Theorist, Genome Project, Cultural Nimrod...

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 14:28 (twenty years ago)

...but it is very good. My copy arrived today and apart from the rubbish raping of Mr Spaceape and his pseudo intellectual tripe it's a good album. Can't get over how gloomy it is. Here in London today it's dark, grey and dank...and this album suits the outside perfectly.

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

That should probably say 'rapping' not 'raping'. There is no good rape kids. Stay safe out there :)

Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

i picked up three things last night: dubstep vol 2, dubstep vol 3 and shadetek's WSHT mix.

over the last two days i've been moving house - from a 2nd story apartment to another 2nd story apartment. from about 4 pm when i get off work (which starts at 7 am) to about 10 pm i've been moving several hundred pounds of books and music, stereo equipment, clothes, etc. i didn't want to rent a truck, so i've been moving everything in my tiny hatchback, six or seven boxes at a time. lots of running up and down stairs.

last night, muscles aching, seeing trails and outlines around things from sugar and water loss and all the endorphins swirling around in my head, lying on blankets piled on the floor (bed gets moved when i can borrow a truck) "dubstep allstars vol 2" sounded like some of the greatest music i've ever heard in my life!

i'm not sure if i can understand how people dance to it or club to it but if i were sentenced to hard, slow sisyphean labor for the rest of my life i couldn't think of a better soundtrack than "dubstep vol 2".

the best part was the transition of out the slow uphill slog of the first four tracks into "request line". that track is amazing! not sure why i never noticed it before but it's like welding the fidgety beats of plaid to the sound palette of early early two lone swordsmen with the thick bass of dubstep. insane!

OTOH "vol 3" just sounded silly to me. i hope i warm up to it but right now it sounds like trying-too-hard-to-be-rootsy euro beat music. is this the leftfield or rockers hi-fi of the 2000s?

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

i'm excited enough that i'm going to pick up horsepower's second album and both grime comps out of the bargain bin this weekend, even though i've heard horrible things about them from just about everybody.

not sure why, but my growing fandom for dubstep makes me think i'm transforming from a carefree nightcrawler into a sad, sad little man.

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

i used to be friends with hairdressers and designers, would go clubbing five nights a week and listened to electrohouse and disco punk! now i spend my days getting insulted by teenagers, lying on my back at night in pain sipping green tea and listening to dubstep!

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:47 (twenty years ago)

you get used to it.

goonie goonie moony juney purple spoonie killa noonie (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

jess i think i am older than you!

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

I got the 2nd Horsepower Production album for 79 cents a couple of weeks (and Triple R's Friends and first Remarc collection and the 2nd Bug album for 99 cents.) Thank you Tower Records customers for having no taste!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:55 (twenty years ago)

is the burial available anywhere in the u.s. yet? supposedly it came out in the u.k. yesterday. i can't find it on bleep (or even s1sk).

jergins (jergins), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

release date was pushed back to the 22nd i guess

sample clearance maybe?

yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

"i'm excited enough that i'm going to pick up horsepower's second album"

You've only got yrself to blame if you do this Vahid.

OTOH, "Request Line" is awesome yes. I think that new Davinche/Sadie tune I like whose name I've forgotten is a blatant tribute. Also have you heard Pinch's "Qawalli" yet? I would totally have put it on 6:33am Eternal if I had it in unmixed form.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:42 (twenty years ago)

I would totally have put it on 6:33am Eternal if I had it in unmixed form.

what's this?!

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 18 May 2006 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Qawalli is locate-able on SLSK... also the excellent VIP version/remix is worth checking out...

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)

available on bleep as well if you, y'know, wanna do the right thing. they have a special ROAD section at the top of their BROWSING list which is all their DMZ / hyperdub / mu / ital stuff.

can't find DA Vol 1 anywhere 8(

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:29 (twenty years ago)

the burial is around now

jergins (jergins), Monday, 22 May 2006 06:29 (twenty years ago)

i want to complain about the shadetek mix.

"WSHT mix", not "heavy meckle" (which is killer) ... it's sort of a dj rupture-ish thing.

which thread should i do it on?

FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Monday, 22 May 2006 06:35 (twenty years ago)

you're here

jergins (jergins), Monday, 22 May 2006 06:37 (twenty years ago)

No one on this thread has pointed out how great "Anti-War Dub" is yet, right? Well it's great. This year's "Request line" probably.

Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 22 May 2006 06:43 (twenty years ago)

I hear that track every time i go out now. That is a glorious thing.

emma cleveland (emma cleveland), Monday, 22 May 2006 09:19 (twenty years ago)

its a good one, yes. 4x4, but with drums that sound un-houselike--- clever stuff, and vocals as well (well vox samples)- and an instantly recognizable opening little synth riff too///

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:10 (twenty years ago)

DJ Zinc has done a dnb remix of Request Line which he's been playing a bit during his podcasts. good but odd, like a step backwards, somehow.

http://www.bingobeats.com/mixes/

my copy of Dubstep Allstars #1 turned up yesterday. can anyone confirm the unfinished look to the graphics? mine had a promo sticker on it and i wonder if the artwork got an update for the final release. cheers.

koogy wonderland (koogs), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:43 (twenty years ago)

I've not really properly engaged with dubstep before, but I'm totally loving the Burial album.

jng (jng), Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:55 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and Vahid OTM - It does indeed sound like Urban Tribe.

jng (jng), Thursday, 25 May 2006 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Burial is so aging raver. So milque-toast. So hermetic. So exactly what I thought it would sound like after reading the Dissensus wank-fest.

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps try to look past the straw man?

jng (jng), Thursday, 25 May 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, but the time when chopped-up beats, some noise crackles and a few wistful vocal snippets had the power to signify an incredibly deep, poignant, and moving meditation on urban desolation and spiritual emptiness is long gone for me

I mean really, this thing practically markets itself to people who still take Simon Reynolds and Kodwo Eshun as gospel truth. It's a symptom of how inward-looking and -thinking a certain strain of British music has become

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, but the time when...is long gone for me

we're talking about you now instead of the record, huh? that's not so interesting.

jergins (jergins), Thursday, 25 May 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

i look forward to hearing your scientific opinion on it

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:14 (twenty years ago)

So boy child what's yr remedy then?

How is this any less hermetic than most music making going on everywhere right now? And why is its hermeticness necessarily a bad thing? :Preaching to the choir perhaps? (which is bad in general,. across an entire culture, yes....)

Where is this non-self referential music- pop? mired in po mo slow mo... metal? creating avant versions of past trends... Indie? Retro a gogo... Hip Hop? Improv? Norwegian Jazz? MOR?

To what leading edge would you direct us? (forgive the sarcasm- I would genuinely like to know...)

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

the time to meditate on spiritual emptiness and urban desolation is long gone, i think.

renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:39 (twenty years ago)

'inward-looking' and 'aging raver' aren't epithets

jergins (jergins), Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)

I think it's hermetic because for it actually to mean the things it's supposed to mean, if one believes the dissensian line, you have to be intimately familiar with the history and theory of the quote-unquote hardcore continuum. For instance, I happen to recognize those decaying mentasm stabs on South London Boroughs (although they don't really resonate much for me anymore), but if you don't, it's just another electronic noise.

And it's hermetic because a) very few people other than music critics know or care about the hardcore continuum b) the hardcore continuum itself is hermetic. It's just a way of constructing the musical universe in order to continually place a small subset of British dance music at the center of everything that is radical. And there were a few years when that subset arguably was at the center of British culture, if not anyone else's. But those years are long long gone, and dance music--and especially dance music like Burial--isn't anywhere near the center of anything anymore.

So sure, all music is self-referential, but when the references are picked up by a tiny audience, they become hermetic. Arctic Monkeys are totally derivative, but a lot of people like them--regardless of whatever media conspiracies you might wish to spin--and that alone makes them matter.

No 'remedy' is necessary. I don't really care about the 'leading edge,' in fact I think the very concept is bogus--a form of marketing, basically--and I'm actively opposed to it.

Aside from all that, I just think the emotional register of the music is so timid (and one could have said this about Urban Tribe, or plenty of Mo' Wax stuff, in fact a lot of dance music that professes to be for something other than dancing. It's all this wistful fading synth wash crap, and you have to work so hard at projecting meaning into it... which is perhaps why people wind up over-reading...

boy child, Thursday, 25 May 2006 17:49 (twenty years ago)


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