why dont black people really like any music other than black music?

Why are black people always listening to stuff like Talulah Gosh and Henry's Dress? Are the Pastels too "cracker" for their taste?

knew a guy from grenada at uni who said that incubus and linkin park were pretty big back home.

Surely the tastes of Africans and African Americans don't count anyway because they don't like melodic synth prog enough?
There are those of them that do, and there are others that sadly don't

I love this.

There are tons of people here who "in the main listen to white music" and don't catch shit for it because they're not absurd and obnoxious about it

The entire ILM was started as a "LOL, people who listen to white music are stupid and they should listen to black music (and manufactured white kidpop) instead".

good thing you showed up to set it all straight then

Dad's drunk!

xpost

The ILM

OMG, Geir found something new to be wrong about!

Geir is Burzum you guys

I hear there's rumours on the ILMs

Geir with an heroically blatant attempt to get a post made into the ILM board description there

I like the "really" in the thread title.

Sounds like they're not putting in enough effort.

Sounds like they're kidding us on.

Sounds like they're faking it.

Well, look at things a bit closer then.

The original ILM was definitely about defending the good old pop single, as opposed to the more "rockist" notion of the album "canon". ILM back then was also very into what was the current chartpop of 2001, i.e. hip-hop, hip-hop influenced R&B and manufactured kidpop (boy/girl bands).

Upon these premises, one would expect ILM to back everything that the kids are into, particularly if the traditional "rockist" will write it off. But then, what happens? In 2002-03, along comes a new generation of manufactured punkpoppers. Obviously, the "rockists" hate them as everything about them is just as manufactured as everything about boy/girl bands used to be. But is it backed by ILM? No. Why? Because they are rooted in AOR, new wave and powerpop rather than in disco, funk or hip-hop. And, of course, ILM feels the need to write off anything that isn't rooted in so-called "black" music. So, as opposed to everything else the kids are into and the critics hate, ILM choose to part with the critics in their hatred of Pink, Avril Lavigne and the likes.

why the fuck do you post here then?

i think it is you who should look at thinks a bit closer my friend!!

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/070503/scifigallery/quantumleap_l.jpg

do you write letters to the source complaining that they put rappers on the cover and don't follow the new generation of punkpoppers "because they are rooted in AOR, new wave and powerpop rather than in disco, funk or hip-hop."

The Source is a hip-hop mag, and one would expect them to back hip-hop
ILM is a pop site, and one would expect ILM to back pop. Punkpop is pop.

pink, avril lavigne, my chemical romance, linkin park, and pop punk in general have a lot of vocal defenders on ilm.

So does indie and the "canon" too. But how many of them are among those who lament current ILM and long back the the original ILM where everyone agreed that R&B, funk and hip-hop is better than anything else?

why do you give a shit?

do you have some names for the characters you're bringin up here? who are you talking about "lamenting"?

you seem really pent up with anxiety about this and caught up in a huge conflict that nobody else is in. the "originial ILM mission" (if there was such a thing) was to forget all about a "which is better" approach to genres and having everyone talk about everything on an equal basis. most of the ilm old guard grew up on indie and still loved it dearly, i have no idea what you're so pissed off about.

nobody is preventing you from listening to all the music you love. it's all still there. if other people like stuff you think it awful, why should you give a shit? why do you want to stop them?

nobody is preventing you from listening to all the music you love. it's all still there.

Actually, around 1990, it wasn't. There was hardly any new music being released within my favourite genres at all. At least Britpop made things better.

I'm feeling a 6 to 18 month jazz revival coming on. I should take the time and fill in some of the gaps.

hahahahahahahahah omg this thread is hysterical

How close is Geir to 50?

The moment The Beatles are beaten by Westlife in the case of #1 singles is when people will definitely stop using chart positions to back why The Beatles are great.

― Geir Hongro, Monday, October 20, 2008 3:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think they've stopped doing that some time ago, but yes.

The thread is full of craziness, of course. But it is quite interesting to think about ILM itself changing, as Hongro suggests. It's true I suppose that Freaky Trigger c.2000-1 was very pro-chart / pop. I wouldn't want to say this was pro-'black music'; most of the acts that were discussed were probably white. ILM somewhat followed the FT emphasis ... but actually, I remember tons of ILM threads c.2001 that weren't about chart pop at all, but about indie, postpunk and the like.

Whether the dominant ILM aesthetic has changed would be quite interesting to know or consider, except the more I think about it, the less I think there is an ILM aesthetic.

I think it's purely down to more people being around "now"

I say "now" but as you say, it (must have) changed from 2002 onwards...

(I joined around then, it was all The Rapture and hating Bono around then)

ILM is a msg board which has voted 'Loveless' the greatest album of the 90s and 'Kid A' the greatest album of 2000-2004

Years ago I briefly dated a guy from Rwanda. The first time he came over, I was unconsciously playing only black music for him. After awhile, he asked, "Do you have any Eric Clapton?"

http://www.firminy.fr/data/fichiers/pages/Image/Culture/concert-jazz.jpg

Early ILM voted Loveless the greatest record of all time.

ILM is not a pop site. It's a music site. It covers pretty much EVERYTHING to some extent.

oddly it was only recently that i realised my impressions of early ilx were totally off base, cuz i only gleaned them from the old threads i'd actively searched for and read, ie all the theoretical rockism-style ones and the specific hip-hop/r&b/pop ones. dunno when the penny dropped that for all old-ilx's talk, really everyone was a standard corny indie fuxor. disappointing.

Latterday ILX (ILM?) would also vote Loveless etc...

You are aware that there is a huge white population in South Africa

You aware Geir that you talk bollocks? White population of South Africa is only 5 million odd - less than Norway!

this is a great thread, with a genius title. anyone who takes it seriously obviously can't discern irony.

Lex the Elbow and Electrelane fan was also a standard corny indie fux.

but i ~progressed~. i evolved. it is frustrating to see people not do the same!!

What do you intend to evolve into next?

I still love Loveless; there is no shame in that; it is magnificent.

The odd thing about The Rapture is -- their records are really awful.

I'm still back on how Geir managed to read only my posts and therefore decided that ILM en masse hated Avril Legine (and really I only ever bagged on "Sk8ter Boi").

I still like Echoes a hell of a lot but I'm not super interested in the stuff afterwards.

I always thought ILM liked Avril Lavigne. I like one or two of her records a lot.

Ah, they produced a shiny pop album, with their pix all over it, and the 'mystery' was gone.

xpost the Rapture, I mean.

I much prefer the shiny pop album by The Rapture.

Lex; "evolved" is subjective.