maybe within genres but
― Drama Mama's and Papa's too! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:22 (sixteen years ago)
Of course the Rihanna album's going to appeal and hold personal cache to many people, same as MPP, but they're still very specific niches
the rihanna niche is just that bit bigger than the other one, which is kind of what qualifies her album and its attendant campaign as an actual cultural event noticed by people who aren't necessarily invested in her
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:26 (sixteen years ago)
I got the impression DL was trying to suggest stuff that impacted on music in the popular phenomenon sense? xp
― Dark, promiscuous five-year-old (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:26 (sixteen years ago)
bad, like nevermind, like sgt peppers, like nation of millions etc..?
this is just an absurd set of examples to me. i was alive and conscious of pop culture for 3 of the 4 and none of them felt epoch-defining at the time
you might have got me to agree had you said thriller instead of bad - thriller was the only one of those that it *felt* like something huge and groundbreaking and shifting was happening - even though at the time, michael jackson was still part of a pack of artists, thriller just went exponentially massive in a way that madonna and prince didn't at the time because they released EVERY SINGLE TRACK OFF IT AS A SINGLE which seemed, even to my just coming up teen ears to be a bit of a stunt
which only goes to say that i'm agreeing that album of the year does not always seem apparent at the end of the year. the things that seem massive or epochal or paradigm shifting only really appear so with perspective
― Karen Tregaskin, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:27 (sixteen years ago)
OK I didn't realize "Russian Roulette" went to #2 in the UK, that kinda explains some of the disconnect w/ Lex's opinion about the reach of the Rihanna album
― some dude, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:27 (sixteen years ago)
Greg Kot - Top albums of 2009 - Chicago Tribunehttp://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/turn_it_up/2009/12/top-albums-of-2009.html
― djmartian, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:29 (sixteen years ago)
the fact that the last time i personally noticed anyone saying or anything being said about rihanna was back when she released "umbrella", arguably diffuses her album from being a big album. and no, i didn't go out of my way to ignore her. if it was in the news, i prob didn't get the paper that day. but all in all, rihanna the person is not the same as rihanna the album, whatever that may entail. and yeah, more people will buy rihanna's album than mpp because it's that much more radio friendly. but this is all starting to get bogged down in - good god - personal taste, and we wouldn't want that now
Matt, I have been around long enough to experience "talked about" records - y'know, ones that people get excited about and take the day off to go out and buy on release day. "Kid A" is maybe the most recent example. this is never going to happen again.
― dog latin, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:31 (sixteen years ago)
erm every radiohead record has been like that
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:33 (sixteen years ago)
that's why the in rainbows thing worked - there was still that universal frisson
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:34 (sixteen years ago)
if i were a betting man, i'd go to ladbrokes AGAINST this one
― Karen Tregaskin, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:34 (sixteen years ago)
(the only thing that would mitigate this is the fact that people don't have to take the day off work to order things off amazon or d/l them off iTunes or whatevs)
― Karen Tregaskin, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:35 (sixteen years ago)
I don't recall anything specifically exciting about Kid A being released and I gave many times more of a fuck abt Radiohead then than I do now
― Dark, promiscuous five-year-old (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:36 (sixteen years ago)
scott: that leaves a whole lotta america where all that shit is basically unheard of
it certainly does, no doubt. Outside of maybe Lady Gaga or the Black Eyed Peas (or Susan Boyle or Michael Jackson) I don't think there was anything that was unavoidable. We just don't have collective cultural musical experiences the way we used to, or the way the UK still can.
Al's right-- that Rihanna had an album out meant nothing in the context of her celebrity narrative this year. Rihanna went on TV when she did because of the album, but she wasn't booked at that time because of it. She could have gone on 20/20 at any point this year and had the same impact as a celebrity and advocate. The album itself was a footnote, as her chart performances has indicated: her last album had five hits more successful than the lead single from Rated R. The general consensus on the hip-hop/pop DJs over here, from the bits I've heard, is that the LP is too dark and in the long run will be a relative flop.
― scottpl, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:36 (sixteen years ago)
I think the biggest problem with this, and bear with me here guys, is that 2009 as a year has been significantly WORSE in terms of actual output than ANY other year this decade. However, things are building for a quite magnificent 2010. I doubt we'll be having this discussion next year. Everyone's hiding in the fatty folds of MPP & Friends for now, but trust me that won't be happening again for a while. I see this as a farewell to consensus indie. Optimism!
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:37 (sixteen years ago)
fact starting to put their list up btw; how is tht hudson mohawke rec? I searched for a thread but nothing doing
― SKATAAAAAAAAAAA (cozwn), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:38 (sixteen years ago)
ew @ the image of MPP's fatty folds
― SKATAAAAAAAAAAA (cozwn), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:40 (sixteen years ago)
yeah, i've definitely been sitting around on my arse smoking dope and not working on my album coz i really want it to be epochal and decade-defining for the 2010s, rather than a dribble from the arse end of the noughties
it's true, you've caught me out on that & i bet every other artist in the world is thinking the same thing
― Karen Tregaskin, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:40 (sixteen years ago)
KID A was one of the first examples of viral internet marketing for albums, Radiohead had a playback widget which people could use
― djmartian, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:41 (sixteen years ago)
I'm not saying that's what's happening! I'm just saying that 2009 has been a bit of a shitty year, relatively speaking, but that a LOT of great things are due for release next year. I can sense a disturbance in the force.
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:42 (sixteen years ago)
i think 2009's been a pretty good year overall fwiw, but i agree - i think 2010 will be classic for a bunch of reasons i'm a bit at ends to go into here.
― dog latin, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 15:50 (sixteen years ago)
This is all a massive red herring given that the actual genuine biggest pop phenomenon of the year was Susan Boyle and the idea of any magazine we're talking about putting her on the cover or voting for her in a poll is frankly hilarious.
this is kind of important! i think we might be entering into an era of easily defined poor oppositional mass taste again!
http://www.newlog.com.ar/LPAL/Andy-Williams-angustia-de.jpg
i mean, now that i) 'proper pop' is pretty cool ii) also pretty good iii) no one gives a shit anymore, yeah right is the rihanna record 'an event' -
i mean, my friend's band is supporting jedward next week ha ha
― thomp, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:01 (sixteen years ago)
you know who's more popular on last fm than anyone mentioned so far this thread? MORCHEEBA. and NICKELBACK. fuck yes
― thomp, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:03 (sixteen years ago)
James Blunt proves that we never left this era in the first place.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:04 (sixteen years ago)
how is tht hudson mohawke rec? I searched for a thread but nothing doing
some talk of it on the "wonky s/d" thread, for some reason
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:06 (sixteen years ago)
yeah, i've definitely been sitting around on my arse smoking dope and not working on my album coz i really want it to be epochal and decade-defining for the 2010s, rather than a dribble from the arse end of the noughtiesit's true, you've caught me out on that & i bet every other artist in the world is thinking the same thing― Karen Tregaskin, Wednesday, December 9, 2009 10:40 AM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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I've found kind of as a rule, about 95% of bands don't think like rock critics or about rock critics
― radric the entertainbrrr (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:19 (sixteen years ago)
tv on the radio are in the 5%
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:21 (sixteen years ago)
thx blueski just discovered joker's digidesign 9 mths too late thx to tht thread
who coined wonky and funky? smh
― SKATAAAAAAAAAAA (cozwn), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:27 (sixteen years ago)
joker's kinda dope; i should be listening to more of this.
― Drama Mama's and Papa's too! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:33 (sixteen years ago)
does time review music? their list was kinda good!
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:38 (sixteen years ago)
They do on occasion. Their list was one of the most varied ones posted here.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:50 (sixteen years ago)
Mixmag Albums of the Year
it's a jpg so click to magnify:
http://www.stholdings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mixmagtop50albums.jpg
now doubt someone will do a summary list soon
― djmartian, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:52 (sixteen years ago)
Deadmau5 being on there (and their little blurb abt him) is really the kind of thing that brings it home how little different musical world interact sometimes - he seems to be like Christ to a certain strain of young raver but I have never once seen him mentioned on ILM
― Dark, promiscuous five-year-old (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:56 (sixteen years ago)
Ha The Prodigy are like the Dylan to Mixmag's Uncut aren't they
― Dark, promiscuous five-year-old (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:57 (sixteen years ago)
at least Mixmag included Juan Maclean
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:00 (sixteen years ago)
The XX's predicted status as this year's functional indie chillout/monging record for dance kids confirmed.
(Also known as the Erland Oye Award)
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:05 (sixteen years ago)
Also lol @ Top 5 Skanks.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:06 (sixteen years ago)
nicki minaj?
― Drama Mama's and Papa's too! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 17:08 (sixteen years ago)
FACT Magazine
40 best: Albums of 2009 http://bit.ly/8ko2Vn
so far, 20 to go
40: THE HORRORSPRIMARY COLOURS(XL)
39: SUBWAYSUBWAY II(SOUL JAZZ)
38: BLACK METEORIC STARBLACK METEORIC STAR(DFA)
37: GIRLSALBUM(TRUE PANTHER)
36: MAJOR LAZERGUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE…LAZERS DO(DOWNTOWN)
35: WILLIAM BASINSKI92982(2062)
34: PAUL WHITETHE STRANGE DREAMS OF PAUL WHITE(ONE HANDED MUSIC)
33: JASON FINEFUTURE THOUGHT(KONTRA-MUSIK)
32: HILDUR GUDNADÓTTIRWITHOUT SINKING(TOUCH)
31: THE VILLAGE ORCHESTRAI CAN HEAR THE SIRENS SINGING AGAIN(HIGHPOINT LOWLIFE)
30: HUDSON MOHAWKEBUTTER(WARP)
29: LEGOWELTAMIGA RAILROAD ADVENTURES(STRANGE LIFE)
28: SILK FLOWERSSILK FLOWERS(POST PRESENT MEDIUM)
27: 2562UNBALANCE(TECTONIC)
26: CITY CENTERCITY CENTER(TYPE)
25: SNDATAVISM(RASTER-NOTON)
24: ATLAS SOUNDLOGOS(4AD)
23: RSDGOOD ENERGY(PUNCH DRUNK)
22: DAM-FUNKTOEACHIZOWN(STONES THROW)
21: MORITZ VON OSWALD TRIOVERTICAL ASCENT(HONEST JON'S)
― djmartian, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 22:16 (sixteen years ago)
wavves was this year right? pretty awesome how everyone has forgotten about them
― k3vin k., Thursday, 10 December 2009 06:57 (sixteen years ago)
^^
― ❝♪♬♩❞ (electricsound), Thursday, 10 December 2009 07:04 (sixteen years ago)
I'll bet metal and dance folks won't find much in the AV Club list either.
I voted for a few dance albums but I'll be devoting my January AVC electronic column to a Best of '09 list, and I'm pretty certain Leonard Pierce's Metal Box column will run a year-end list this month.
― if I don't see more dissent, I'm going to have to check myself in (Matos W.K.), Thursday, 10 December 2009 08:19 (sixteen years ago)
And yeah I know what you're saying about consensus, etc., but those things will actually be dealt with there.
― if I don't see more dissent, I'm going to have to check myself in (Matos W.K.), Thursday, 10 December 2009 08:20 (sixteen years ago)
Is there a link to the Mixmag singles/tracks list? Always like reading those.
― if I don't see more dissent, I'm going to have to check myself in (Matos W.K.), Thursday, 10 December 2009 08:37 (sixteen years ago)
not yet, maybe soon: Mixmag Listshttp://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/mixmag.html
― djmartian, Thursday, 10 December 2009 10:32 (sixteen years ago)
new issue of Mixmag on sale today in the UKhttp://twitter.com/Mixmag/statuses/6527494364
details:http://www.mixmag.net/content/subscribe-mixmagFree with this month’s issue is Diplo's 2009 Rewind CD looking back at all the biggest tracks of the year including those by Major Lazer, La Roux vs Skream, Boys Noize, The Prodigy, Chase & Status, Fake Blood, Erol Alkan, Laidback Luke, Felix Da Housecat and many more.
― djmartian, Thursday, 10 December 2009 10:35 (sixteen years ago)
wondering if mixmag will plump for waves or death suite
― Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 10 December 2009 10:39 (sixteen years ago)
That La Roux/Skream remix feels like it was the biggest track of the year, so I'd be surprised if Mixmag didn't vote it number one.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 10 December 2009 10:39 (sixteen years ago)
back to the USA...
Stereogum Best 50 Albums of 2009http://stereogum.com/gummys/2009/best-album-2009.html
summary via:http://countmeoutblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/stereogums-top-50-albums-of-2009-gummy.html
50. Antony And The Johnsons - The Crying Light [Secretly Canadian]49. Mos Def - The Ecstatic [Downtown]48. Silversun Pickups - Swoon [Dangerbird]47. jj - n° 2 [Sincerely Yours]46. Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... Pt. II [Loud/RCA/BMG]45. Regina Spektor - Far [Sire]44. The Rural Alberta Advantage - Hometowns [Saddle Creek]43. Mastodon - Crack The Skye [Reprise]42. The Dead Weather - Horehound [Third Man]41. Them Crooked Vultures - Them Crooked Vultures [DGC/Interscope]40. Neon Indian - Psychic Chasms [Lefse]39. Brand New - Daisy [Interscope]38. Bill Callahan - Sometimes I Wish We Were An Eagle [Drag City]37. Cymbals Eat Guitars - Why There Are Mountains [Self-Released]36. The Horrors - Primary Colours [XL]35. Tegan And Sara - Sainthood [Vapor]34. Fuck Buttons - Tarot Sport [ATP]33. Florence & The Machine - Lungs [Island]32. Dinosaur Jr. - Farm [Jagjaguwar]31. The Mountain Goats - The Life Of The World To Come [4AD]30. Dan Deacon - Bromst [Carpark]29. Camera Obscura - My Maudlin Career [4AD]28. Wild Beasts - Two Dancers [Domino]27. Julian Casablancas - Phrazes For The Young [Cult/RCA]26. Metric - Fantasies [Metric Music International]25. Andrew Bird - Noble Beast [Fat Possum]24. Arctic Monkeys - Humbug [Domino]23. Monsters Of Folk - Monsters Of Folk [Shangri-La]22. The Avett Brothers - I And Love And You [Sony]21. Japandroids - Post-Nothing [Polyvinyl]20. The Pains Of Being Pure At Heart - The Pains Of Being Pure At Heart [Slumberland]19. Atlas Sound - Logos [Kranky]18. Wilco - Wilco (The Album) [Nonesuch]17. Various Artists - Dark Was The Night [4AD]16. The Decemberists - The Hazards Of Love [Capitol]15. Bat For Lashes - Two Suns [Astralwerks]14. Fever Ray - Fever Ray [Mute]13. Sunset Rubdown - Dragonslayer [Jagjaguwar]12. St. Vincent - Actor [4AD]11. The Flaming Lips - Embryonic [Warner Bros.]10. Neko Case - Middle Cyclone [Anti-]09. Passion Pit - Manners [Frenchkiss]08. The Antlers - Hospice [Frenchkiss]07. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - It's Blitz [Interscope]06. Girls - Album [True Panther]05. The XX - XX [Young Turks/XL]04. Phoenix - Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix [Glassnote]03. Dirty Projectors - Bitte Orca [Domino]02. Grizzly Bear - Veckatimest [Warp]01. Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavilion [Domino]
― djmartian, Thursday, 10 December 2009 10:59 (sixteen years ago)
those are voted on by readers iirc
― my adrian langs a ton (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 December 2009 13:34 (sixteen years ago)
How many lists are gonna be fuckin AnCo, Grizzly Bear, Dirty Pro and Phoenix in different orders?
― my adrian langs a ton (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 10 December 2009 13:35 (sixteen years ago)